Prospect Info: 47OA: Brady Cleveland

[Filppula]

Ugh. That is my word. Read the scouting reports and statistics on picks after 40. Go ahead, draft 6 undersized but potentially skilled wingers. That has not been done before. If a team knew a pick in the 2nd round would be a bottom pairing PK player, who fights, hits and stays at home who owns the corners, they woud be drafted again and again and again.

2018 Jared McIsaac: Defenseman, 36th overall

• Alec Regula: Defenseman, 67th overall
• Seth Barton: Defenseman, 81st overall
• Jesper Eliasson: Goaltender, 84th overall
• Ryan O'Reilly: Right wing, 98th overall
• Victor Brattström: Goaltender, 160th overall
• Otto Kivenmäki: Center, 191st overall

https://www.eliteprospects.com/draft/nhl-entry-draft/team/60/detroit-red-wings

Never mind... here you go. Start pulling up all the NHLers after 47.

Yeah I’m a pretty level headed fan. I’m not even going to argue you because I know you’re right. My only disappointment is that judging by the first page plus of posts, the reaction seemed to say we got this one wrong. And absolutely nothing since has suggested those fans and reactions were wrong. But I know it was the same for Bertuzzi and look how that worked out. And I also know that 2nd rounders, despite having this extreme optimism attached to them, actually miss more than hit. I get it honestly.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Where did I bag the guy? You’re taking the wrong meaning.

I simply meant we drafted a guy who he himself admits has a pretty low ceiling. I’d much prefer we swing for the fences at a boom or bust type than go for a guy who at the very best scenario makes a 3rd pair.

It's hard for a guy like Cleveland to say anything that would please those who don't like the pick. He put a realistic target for himself which shows some self-awareness and a willingness to embrace being a role player. I see no problem with drafting a guy that if he pans out could be one of the more physically imposing players in the NHL and a defensive/PK specialist. That's valuable.

 

[heyfolks]

Yeah I’m a pretty level headed fan. I’m not even going to argue you because I know you’re right. My only disappointment is that judging by the first page plus of posts, the reaction seemed to say we got this one wrong. And absolutely nothing since has suggested those fans and reactions were wrong. But I know it was the same for Bertuzzi and look how that worked out. And I also know that 2nd rounders, despite having this extreme optimism attached to them, actually miss more than hit. I get it honestly.

I am with you, and what follows is not about you (in a negative way) at all.



While the dumpster fire is pounding that drum loud enough for all (though Norris believes all skills stop developing before puberty LOL). Even if he is the #7 D'man on the National team, he is top 10 for his birth year. Saying he can't play hockey is ludicrous. As for right or wrong, I am with you in the I dunno category.

All I do know is Gniwder doesn't know. I took up for the kid, only after the near instant bagging on him after the pick. I do think his D+1 year was really a bad decision. I have laid that out pretty clearly. In short, the average age of a college hockey player is 23. Less than 35 18 years try and make the cut each year. The guy was a menace in the USHL. He really needed that last year in the League. To make matters worse, Wisconsin imploded while he was there. Ship corrected, he is an every game player on a top ten team.

I can also be put in the I dunno category about Theo Neiderbach, Robert Mastersimone, Antti Tuomisto, Cross Hanas, Shai Buium, Dylan James and others picked around 47.

What I do know is he offers something none of them do. What I also do know is he is only 19 (compare him to the ages of this group) and he won't be 20 until April. If the Wings have this type of player in their system, I haven't read of him. Over the summer, I get the any topic is beaten to death, but this pick being wasted within days, heck hours, of the pick, was just too much for me not to comment. He's a 6'5" stay at home, project player who is tough as nails. I will give the guy 3 years of college and two of pro before I spit on him. < That is Buium's career path to date.






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The average age of a college hockey player is 23 years old. However, the average age of a college hockey freshman is between 19 and 20 years old. The average age of a player committing to NCAA Division I men's hockey is 19 years old.



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• The average age of an NHL player is 28.3 years old.

 

[heyfolks]

If I didn't love my current profile photo so much , I'd submit a request to Sunny to go back to this one. (FYI - He is President of the fan club.)

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Every time I enter this thread I hope (naively) that there will be some discussion of his play at Colorado this year, and every time I’m proven wrong.

I suppose I’m a hypocrite though because I haven’t watched him play a second of hockey since he was with the NTDP tbf.

 

[newfy]

Players can always be traded. Enforcer types are always available in free agency as well. Look at how many teams Reaves, Maroon, Zadarov, and Gudas have played for.

The second round is way too early to pick a kid with limited potential and only one good attribute. If Draper had picked Oscar Fisker-Molgaard instead, we've be having a positive discussion instead, much like Augustine.

Aside from that, Draper had already picked 2 defensemen in the draft, along with a center and a goalie. A scoring winger would have made sense even from a need perspective. Draper wound up using the first 2 picks the next draft to select wingers, so the need was obviously there.

Look at how many times Reaves has been traded for a first round pick. Those types of guys play for a lot of teams because theyre also sought after

 

[Gniwder]

Look at how many times Reaves has been traded for a first round pick. Those types of guys play for a lot of teams because theyre also sought after

He's also been available as UFA multiple times and has a low salary. Kinda funny how GMs don't plan ahead sometimes.

 

[RabidBadger]

Every time I enter this thread I hope (naively) that there will be some discussion of his play at Colorado this year, and every time I’m proven wrong.

I suppose I’m a hypocrite though because I haven’t watched him play a second of hockey since he was with the NTDP tbf.

I watched him against Providence last night. I have to say he was positionally pretty solid. He can definitely keep the flies off the goalie. I can't knock his game as a young defender playing against a pretty good team.

With the puck is a different story. He unloads it the micro second it hits his stick. His puck poise is pretty non-existent. He has to at least learn to bottle it up if he can't make a pass, not to mention learn to make a low danger pass.

If anyone in the Detroit area has Hulu the second game of that series is on tonight at 6:00.

 

[RabidBadger]

Well, Brady heard me tonight; he had some good puck moments. He actually carried in his own zone, assessed, and passed....cleanly!

He also outskated a opposing forward on a puck headed for his own zone. Overall he played a pretty good game in a loss. His skating is pretty impressive for a dude his size; he keeps his feet moving and has enough speed to keep up with the play.

I'm not trying to sound like a fanboy because I still think he was a questionable pick, but he did play a good game in a loss. If nothing else, he can body people with minimal effort.

 

[newfy]

I watched him against Providence last night. I have to say he was positionally pretty solid. He can definitely keep the flies off the goalie. I can't knock his game as a young defender playing against a pretty good team.

With the puck is a different story. He unloads it the micro second it hits his stick. His puck poise is pretty non-existent. He has to at least learn to bottle it up if he can't make a pass, not to mention learn to make a low danger pass.

If anyone in the Detroit area has Hulu the second game of that series is on tonight at 6:00.

Damn I wish I wouldve seen this earlier.

Do you know if any of his other games this year will be televised?

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

Well, Brady heard me tonight; he had some good puck moments. He actually carried in his own zone, assessed, and passed....cleanly!

He also outskated a opposing forward on a puck headed for his own zone. Overall he played a pretty good game in a loss. His skating is pretty impressive for a dude his size; he keeps his feet moving and has enough speed to keep up with the play.

I'm not trying to sound like a fanboy because I still think he was a questionable pick, but he did play a good game in a loss. If nothing else, he can body people with minimal effort.

That is encouraging to hear

 

[RabidBadger]

Damn I wish I wouldve seen this earlier.

Do you know if any of his other games this year will be televised?

I'm not sure about that. My Hulu service lets me know about a week in advance what's going to be playing. For some reason I mostly get Hockey East and ECAC teams...kind of a bummer when you live in B1g and HCNC country.

If you go to the live scoreboard on the College Hockey News site, they usually list what network the televised games are on.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Well, Brady heard me tonight; he had some good puck moments. He actually carried in his own zone, assessed, and passed....cleanly!

He also outskated a opposing forward on a puck headed for his own zone. Overall he played a pretty good game in a loss. His skating is pretty impressive for a dude his size; he keeps his feet moving and has enough speed to keep up with the play.

I'm not trying to sound like a fanboy because I still think he was a questionable pick, but he did play a good game in a loss. If nothing else, he can body people with minimal effort.

He absolutely can skate, and in all four directions. I think he has clearly gotten bigger and stronger and it shows in his feet a lot. He isn't just 6'5" he is a very solid and strong 6'5" now. I am excited to see him next week.

FWIW the game is also on ESPN+

 

[RabidBadger]

That is encouraging to hear

I mean, take what you will from what I saw. I try to be fair assessing players...the good and the bad. Him having negligible puck skills is concerning at this level.

I feel like skating, timing, and positioning are things that can be worked on. I'm not sure about puck acumen but I'm far from a coach, scout, or someone who developed at the college level.

 

[norrisnick]

I mean, take what you will from what I saw. I try to be fair assessing players...the good and the bad. Him having negligible puck skills is concerning at this level.

I feel like skating, timing, and positioning are things that can be worked on. I'm not sure about puck acumen but I'm far from a coach, scout, or someone who developed at the college level.

I mentioned this up thread. Puck skills are usually worked on when these kids are kids. Like pre-teen. In driveways, basements, etc... just constantly playing around with a puck. A guy pushing 20 is about 10 years behind in trying to develop any kind of puck handling.

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

I mean, take what you will from what I saw. I try to be fair assessing players...the good and the bad. Him having negligible puck skills is concerning at this level.

I feel like skating, timing, and positioning are things that can be worked on. I'm not sure about puck acumen but I'm far from a coach, scout, or someone who developed at the college level.

I took from it he can be coached if he is improving, a lost year of development will be hard to make up, but let’s see how he does. The hard part will be to develop reflex puck skills, but if the game is slowing down for him so the puck is not gone off his stick in a microsecond, it is progress

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

I mentioned this up thread. Puck skills are usually worked on when these kids are kids. Like pre-teen. In driveways, basements, etc... just constantly playing around with a puck. A guy pushing 20 is about 10 years behind in trying to develop any kind of puck handling.

True enough, but I once saw Joey K stick handle around a D-man and score after he spent some time at the factory in the off season. Hard to develop later, but it can be done, not that Joey ever became as skilled as Dats

 

[Gniwder]

You know what's funny about this pick? Draper could have pick Xhekaj instead of his son. Then we wouldn't need CLeveland or Gus.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

If this was basketball Draper would foul out from all his reaches.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

You know what's funny about this pick? Draper could have pick Xhekaj instead of his son. Then we wouldn't need CLeveland or Gus.

Draper could have picked anyone at that pick and they probably don't work out.

 

[Gniwder]

Draper could have picked anyone at that pick and they probably don't work out.

He managed to pick Emmitt Finnie with a 7th.

7th round is a total crap shoot, but it shouldn't be a throwaway pick.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Brady Cleveland’s absolute best case scenario for his career would be developing into a complete shutdown defenseman (both against and for) who just passes the puck to ASP and gets TF outta the way.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Brady Cleveland’s absolute best case scenario for his career would be developing into a complete shutdown defenseman (both against and for) who just passes the puck to ASP and gets TF outta the way.

Hal Gill played 1,100 NHL games doing something very similar.

 

[Shaman464]

Hal Gill played 1,100 NHL games doing something very similar.

Hal Gill did it when being big and being in the way was a player style in the NHL. The game is way faster and less physical today.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Brady Cleveland’s absolute best case scenario for his career would be developing into a complete shutdown defenseman (both against and for) who just passes the puck to ASP and gets TF outta the way.

We need this.