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Laughton was terrible the entire game. He’s cooked.
GDT: #45 | Flyers at Blue Jackets | Tuesday, January 14, 2025 | 7:00 PM | NBCSP+, 93.3 FM
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Ghosts Beer
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FLYguy3911
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Went a pick before Adam Ginning. We got an NHL lock in the second round so can’t complain about that but Hextall should have traded up.
deadhead
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If the Flyers had taken either of the Russian forwards, people would have whined for years.
Why are we drafting these big Russians who can't even score in the MHL and VHL!
Just another example of the Flyers drafting size over skill.
Why are we drafting these big Russians who can't even score in the MHL and VHL!
Just another example of the Flyers drafting size over skill.
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Changed my mind on your tagline. "The scouts wanted Ginning!"
Ghosts Beer
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I wouldn't say Provorov was the slam dunk pick at the time.
I badly wanted Barzal at 7. I liked Werenski better than Provorov, but I did still like Provorov even though as the draft approached I felt he was being overrated. Unfortunately, Provorov was the wrong choice over what turned out to be multiple much better players. I don't think botched development is the reason.
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Only until the next time we get dummied by the Avs, in which case they really wanted Rantanen all along.
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I wasn’t a bang on the table Marchenko guy — he had major tunnel vision in his draft tape — but he had tools/skill for DAYS. Then there’s Serron Noel on the other end of possible results. People can play the hindsight game, but guys like Ginning/Berglund/Gill are nothing and will be nothing. Some guys you don’t see it all clicking, but you understand why it could click. That’s a philosophy this team fails repeatedly.
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Oh…Culture Boy will be in Philadelphia to turn out the lights!
ValeriKamensky
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Dont bring that negativity here Ginning could have very well turned out to be Logan Stanley type for us. Speaking of Noel what happened to Liam Foudy, not sure if he had nhl/playoff type body but kid definitely had blazing speed.
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He was literally talked like having Doughty potential at the time. He was also very safe pick who was thought of being shut down dman with great outlet pass as his floor and everyone was happy he fell down to us.
If I remember correctly he was considered the most NHL ready defenseman in the draft. It's real easy to be a GM in hindsight. It was a very solid pick at the time. I don't see how anyone can complain about the pick in the moment. They just screwed up his development.
deadhead
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They didn't screw up his development.
Provorov was stubborn to a fault, and he was physically maxed out at 19.
He thought he was a star, turns out he was a complementary player who only played well with the right partner.
Fight4yourRight
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Cates and Forester in overtime was one of the ugliest things I’ve ever seen. Some guys just make sense at ES but shouldn’t go anywhere near 3s.
deadhead
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To be fair, everyone had dead legs at that point, no one looked good in OT.
But Foerster lacks the speed (same with Couts) for 3x3.
Cates at least is now an above average skater.
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I really disagree with the concept that Provy's development was screwed up. From the jump, they gave him top line minutes with PP time. The Flyers gave him every opportunity to develop into a top line defenseman...But he didn't. It wasn't because of development, it was because he just was not good enough. He didn't have the skill package to do so.
That's not revisionists history either. There were many here saying 'pump the breaks' on Provy. He is a good, but limited, player.
That's not revisionists history either. There were many here saying 'pump the breaks' on Provy. He is a good, but limited, player.
Fight4yourRight
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Agreed.
I’d like to hear the reasoning behind the view his development was screwed up. It’s easy enough to just keep throwing that out however a different story to actually provide evidence.
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This pretty much sums up Provorov.
I remember when I first started really watching video for that draft, my first looks at Provorov I really really liked him.
But the more I watched, the more it became apparent that though he did a lot of things pretty well, he didn't have any standout traits.
And much of his success probably involved his advanced physical maturity for his age.
The older I get, the more I appreciate just how much you have to watch out for prospects who hit physical maturity earlier than their peers. Many have basically already peaked and will be passed by others down the road.
This is what gave me some pause about Dalibor Dvorsky in the '23 draft. I wondered if he is one of those Provorov types.
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If there is a stoppage with around 15-20 seconds left on PP2, Tortorella most often punts that PP time for a regular forward line and D pair.
It's downright unacceptable and I've been biting my lip hard on this topic but it's been happening for three years seasons now.
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Regarding this game, Here are a few notes from me:
- It was a boring game for the most part. Not a whole lot of significant chances for or against.
- Zamula was rough in the early goings of the game imo. Turned the puck over a lot.
- Happy for Brink. He deserved a few more during that stretch of fantastic play. I think his development could go a long way for this club. I believe that he could be a 60-70 point player (of course that is with another step forward and appropriate linemates), he's leading the team in 5v5 scoring rates.
- I think it's time to split up the Brink-Cates-Foerster line. They have been bad over the last 5 or so games. I'd like to see Brink with Michkov and Couts, but one of the will have to go to their off-wing. Neither one of them have looked comfortable on their off-wing.
- I said this during the game, but I really hate the 2D on the power play. I also hate the fact that they put the Poehling line on the ice for the last 10 seconds of the powerplay. 10 seconds of PP time + the time it takes for the player to come out of he box and get setup is enough time to generate a scoring chance for. It may not happen all the time, but by not trying, you're punting the advantage away.
- It was a boring game for the most part. Not a whole lot of significant chances for or against.
- Zamula was rough in the early goings of the game imo. Turned the puck over a lot.
- Happy for Brink. He deserved a few more during that stretch of fantastic play. I think his development could go a long way for this club. I believe that he could be a 60-70 point player (of course that is with another step forward and appropriate linemates), he's leading the team in 5v5 scoring rates.
- I think it's time to split up the Brink-Cates-Foerster line. They have been bad over the last 5 or so games. I'd like to see Brink with Michkov and Couts, but one of the will have to go to their off-wing. Neither one of them have looked comfortable on their off-wing.
- I said this during the game, but I really hate the 2D on the power play. I also hate the fact that they put the Poehling line on the ice for the last 10 seconds of the powerplay. 10 seconds of PP time + the time it takes for the player to come out of he box and get setup is enough time to generate a scoring chance for. It may not happen all the time, but by not trying, you're punting the advantage away.
agreed lol. see post above!
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The Flyers do seem to enjoy drafting those types of players.
This was the write-up on Patrick from THW in 2017 -
While Patrick is the consensus best player in the 2017 Draft class, he’s not considered a potential elite player the way similarly-situated players were in previous draft classes. The reason? He’s not bad at anything, but it’s argued that he doesn’t have a single aspect of his game that’s especially dynamic or dominant. He’s really good, but he’s not tearing apart the league mercilessly the way Auston Matthews did the Swiss League or Nathan MacKinnon ripped apart the Quebec League.
This is the write-up on Oliver Bonk -
Whoever drafts Bonk is likely securing a safe bet for a future top-four defenseman. He doesn’t have any glaring holes in his game, and while there are no stand-out skills that stick out above the rest, he is one of the safest defensive prospects to draft in the back half of the first round.
And the one for Luchanko -Luchanko took key defensive zone face-offs on his strong side. His combination of speed, skill, compete and smarts project him as a top six NHL forward. Luchanko isn't elite in any one category, but he's an excellent all-round prospect who contributes better than secondary offence without sacrificing three zone detail.
I guess the Flyers have a type. And it's vanilla.
