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I know. I was being facetious but I actually believe Cronin is stupid enough to take that play and use it as self affirmation that Leo and Killorn work together.

I compiled the Athletic player cards for the Ducks into lines and discovered that Carlsson-Killorn are our best defensive forwards. That's how Killorn has over a 50% CF percentage (or SAT%). Unfortunately, their offense is putrid. That duo feels like Cronin saying, "We can't sacrifice anymore defense for offense."

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Leo needed to cut in front of the goalie to help create some chaos or screen for Mac to shoot. Instead, Leo skates wide and an easy shot to protect against Mac.

Huh? He got knocked wide, then had his stick on the ice in a great position on the opposite side of the crease. Mac has to at a minimum throw that puck off Vasi’s other pad.
 
Well if Mac looks good at wing, and Zegras looks better at center than wing, it's seems pretty obvious what Cronin should do.

Put Zegras back at wing and Mac back at center is what I'm expecting though.
I think that’s more a Verbeek call than a Cronin call. But people have been saying it forever, so maybe a positive coming out of this season is them making that change ?
 
Killorn is fine. He’s extremely overpaid and wasn’t worth that contract the day we signed it (I said it at the time)

But he’s fine. I’m not sure why hes the whipping boy around here
To me, at his absolute best he's a solid bottom 6 offensive threat but we get that version of Killorn once every ten games or so. Most of the time he kills momentum with mishandle and poor passes at 5 on 5. That said, he's actually a pretty good penalty killer and somehow seems to manage the puck way better in the PK situation. So, in my ideal lineup it's not me having a personal problem with Killorn to put him on the fourth line. 1) in the games he played with Zegras he didn't have any chemistry with him either. 2) I think Killorn would be more effective 5 on 5 if we used my proposed fourth line as a defense first line between him and Lundy.

Past that my only "whipping" is pointing out that he and Leo don't have any chemistry and the pairing is almost entirely non functioning. I don't know how anyone can objectively observe otherwise.
 
Killorn is fine. He’s extremely overpaid and wasn’t worth that contract the day we signed it (I said it at the time)

But he’s fine. I’m not sure why hes the whipping boy around here

Let me clarify. Have no issues with Killorn . I have an issue when Cronin puts him with our future 1C, plus a 4th liner. I have no issues with this current line and had no issues when it was a Zegras - Leo - Killorn.

He has no chemistry with Leo but at least Leo can go to his other winger who is more on the same page when it’s someone like Mac Or Z. While Killorn can handle defense responsibilities and some dirty work.
 
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Killorn is fine. He’s extremely overpaid and wasn’t worth that contract the day we signed it (I said it at the time)

But he’s fine. I’m not sure why hes the whipping boy around here
Killorn is fine, just don’t think with Leo it’s a match. They are just on completely different wavelengths, and while it’s not Killorns fault he’s playing his style, it’s frustrating watching him play that style with our future 1C who’s not suited to dump and chase every possession.
 
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I compiled the Athletic player cards for the Ducks into lines and discovered that Carlsson-Killorn are our best defensive forwards. That's how Killorn has over a 50% CF percentage (or SAT%). Unfortunately, their offense is putrid. That duo feels like Cronin saying, "We can't sacrifice anymore defense for offense."

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It's probably...probably because they spend so much time going back on defense because of the countless failed connections between the two.

I mean at least Leo was getting his defensive reps in.
 
Killorn is fine, just don’t think with Leo it’s a match. They are just on completely different wavelengths, and while it’s not Killorns fault he’s playing his style, it’s frustrating watching him play that style with our future 1C who’s not suited to dump and chase every possession.
100% this
 
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Huh? He got knocked wide, then had his stick on the ice in a great position on the opposite side of the crease. Mac has to at a minimum throw that puck off Vasi’s other pad.

That's more of what we need... players not fighting to get to the front of the net and gets shifted away from the net. That's part of the problem for our offense is the inability to get to the front of the net to create a screen and chaos. Crash the net, not cruise to the opposite side of the net where the puck isn't.
 
To me, at his absolute best he's a solid bottom 6 offensive threat but we get that version of Killorn once every ten games or so. Most of the time he kills momentum with mishandle and poor passes at 5 on 5. That said, he's actually a pretty good penalty killer and somehow seems to manage the puck way better in the PK situation. So, in my ideal lineup it's not me having a personal problem with Killorn to put him on the fourth line. 1) in the games he played with Zegras he didn't have any chemistry with him either. 2) I think Killorn would be more effective 5 on 5 if we used my proposed fourth line as a defense first line between him and Lundy.

Past that my only "whipping" is pointing out that he and Leo don't have any chemistry and the pairing is almost entirely non functioning. I don't know how anyone can objectively observe otherwise.
The issue isn’t the Killorn/Carlssom pairing in my opinion. The issues have been as follows:

1) Cronin putting players like Leason and Lundestrom on their other wing. Those guys do not possess the raw offensive ability to play there.

2) Leo struggling and going through growing pains

Small sample but it’s a different line when you have a 3rd guy with a hockey sense and some hands

I don’t agree that Killorn has been the one dragging that line down at all. If anything he’s been the best player on his line most of the year
 
This team will never figure out zone entries ever. It's absolutely hilarious.

This is also why Guy should not be begging for power plays ever.
 
The issue isn’t the Killorn/Carlssom pairing in my opinion. The issues have been as follows:

1) Cronin putting players like Leason and Lundestrom on their other wing. Those guys do not possess the raw offensive ability to play there.

2) Leo struggling and going through growing pains

Small sample but it’s a different line when you have a 3rd guy with a hockey sense and some hands

I don’t agree that Killorn has been the one dragging that line down at all. If anything he’s been the best player on his line most of the year
That hasn't helped but I pay close attention to the kids because that's the most interesting aspect and most important aspect of this team right now. ScarTroy summarized it well. They are on different wavelengths with each other and too often their passes to each other are behind or ahead or get fumbled and when Leo actually sets Killer up with a good chance he either flubs it or just doesn't have the finish while Killorn almost never sets Leo up with good chances.

I think the connection between the two is very much dysfunctional before you even get into the second winger.
 
No one would be using Killorn as a whipping boy if he was paid and played relevant to his skillset, he's paid and used as a top 6 but he's a bottom 6 player. That speaks more to the team itself though, but I'd rather be developing younger players in that role like what they're doing with Mintyukov and LaCombe and go through growing pains than having vets with 1 foot in a retirement home soaking up all meaningful playing time.
 

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