GDT: #42 | Ducks at Flyers | Saturday, January 11, 2025 | 7:00 PM | NBCSP, 97.5 FM

[MJL66]

They wanted him to play center, one reason they wanted him to go back to college.
I want to win the lottery.
By the time he was traded, no one saw him as a center.

Gauthier wasn't a top 6 NHL center, no one believes that.

You're not making sense. The Flyers didn't want him to go back to college. They wanted to sign him in May of 23. Gauthier wasn't even in the NHL when he was traded. The Flyers absolutely saw him as a center.

 

[deadhead]

You're not making sense. The Flyers didn't want him to go back to college. They wanted to sign him in May of 23. Gauthier wasn't even in the NHL when he was traded. The Flyers absolutely saw him as a center.

Wait a second, I'm told the reason he wouldn't sign was they wouldn't burn a year off his ELC by signing him. Cognitive dissonance much?

What Flahr said is they saw him as a LW they hoped could play center.
That's a huge gap from they "absolutely saw him as a center."

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Wait a second, I'm told the reason he wouldn't sign was they wouldn't burn a year off his ELC by signing him. Cognitive dissonance much?

What Flahr said is they saw him as a LW they hoped could play center.
That's a huge gap from they "absolutely saw him as a center."

Gauthier wanted to sign in March. The Flyers wanted him to sign in May.

Where’s the cognitive dissonance?

 

[MJL66]

Wait a second, I'm told the reason he wouldn't sign was they wouldn't burn a year off his ELC by signing him. Cognitive dissonance much?

What Flahr said is they saw him as a LW they hoped could play center.
That's a huge gap from they "absolutely saw him as a center."

Wait a second, you have a reading comprehension issue. When they wouldn't sign him was at the tail end of the 22/23 season which was in MARCH of 23. The Flyers wanted to sign him in MAY of 23 for the 23/24 season. They didn't want him to go back to college. The Flyers talked to BC and had Gauthier playing center in college. They saw him as a future center and wanted him to play center. Those are the facts. I know you struggle with facts among other things

 

[ellja3]

The usual suspects that always take the other side are really working OT on this one. The old GM both made an amazing draft selection and the current GM pulled off a brilliant trade. We are so lucky.


Nice pivot table! Now you just need to add a calculated field so you can add the Win% column to it.


Even if we ignore what everyone in that draft accomplished as prospects and only evaluate their NHL points in partial seasons, there is a guy that was literally a few picks away from being a third rounder that is up for the Calder this year. And before you go for your spin zone, just know some people rated this player as a better prospect than Cutter and a lottery worthy pick on draft day.

Oh and there were heavy rumors the Flyers were going to take Cutter even if Shane Wright slipped to 5 so there's that too.

You can say it til you're blue in the face that was a bad draft. It was not. It was a draft without a clear and obvious first overall pick, but there were a slew of quality prospects in the 2nd and 3rd tiers. It was the perfect draft to trade back and take multiple swings in the mid-to-late first round.


So by your logic, Jamie Drysdale has a better outlook than all but what 2-4 players in the 2022 draft?

It was never about what people on this board thought of Cutter though. This time last year there were Hockey Guys that tabbed this guy as the best NHL prospect not playing in the NHL. A fresh ELC waiting to be signed. Outside of Michkov (maybe!), he was the most valuable asset they had. And they turned it into an oft injured, undersized defenseman (by your definition), who was already on his second contract, and was never good for an extended stretch of play in the NHL. edit: almost forgot the future 2nd!

Calculated field for a single simple division? Nah

 

[Curufinwe]

It's been well reported that after Gauthier told them he didn't want to sign with them in 2023, he and his agent refused to talk further with the Flyers. The Flyers held his rights. It was well within their rights to continue to try and negotiate, To see if they could change his mind.


There is a difference between knowing he's not a center and not seeing him as a center. The Flyers wanted him playing center.

That’s. Not. Ghosting.

 

[Curufinwe]

Gauthier wanted to sign in March. The Flyers wanted him to sign in May.

Where’s the cognitive dissonance?

In late May. AFTER the World Champs

 

[MJL66]

That’s. Not. Ghosting.

Of course it was. After they told the Flyers he wasn't going to sign, he cut off all communcaition

the practice of ending a personal relationship with someone by suddenly and without explanation withdrawing from all communication.

 

[trostol]

Of course it was. After they told the Flyers he wasn't going to sign, he cut off all communcaition

the practice of ending a personal relationship with someone by suddenly and without explanation withdrawing from all communication.

what more really needs to be said..i'm not signing with you seems pretty straightforward..

 

[Beef Invictus]

Pardon my snipping of your entire comment, but this is ALL he needs to do. He has made it worse by claiming there’s something deeper to the whole story, implying that detailing events would cause the Flyers great embarrassment, or worse.

Example, from the NYT/Athletic article the other day: “I just wish [the fans] knew the truth, I would say that. But other than that, I’m not here to please everyone. I’m here to do what’s best for me and do what’s right for my development, and that’s what I’m working towards.” The second and third are comments that athletes make, they Crash Davis would advise to make, where they say something but nothing at all. He’s not here to please anyone, he’s working hard to get better - all totally non-controversial comments. But the first one perpetuates the problem. If the Flyers were mean or lied or whatever - just say it already.

If he had explained his side directly he would have been made out as a villain for daring to break hockey omerta.

He spoke out about what the Flyers did via his camp.

 

[ponder719]

Of course it was. After they told the Flyers he wasn't going to sign, he cut off all communcaition

the practice of ending a personal relationship with someone by suddenly and without explanation withdrawing from all communication.

Your own explanation contradicts your definition. There was an explanation, therefore it wasn't ghosting.

 

[Goggles]

So Anaheim just beat Carolina in overtime and according to NHL.com have sent the Flyers back down to 27th in the league standings. Seems like yesterday's playoff game win (according to NBC Philadelphia) was all for naught.

 

[Beef Invictus]

So Anaheim just beat Carolina in overtime and according to NHL.com have sent the Flyers back down to 27th in the league standings. Seems like yesterday's playoff game win (according to NBC Philadelphia) was all for naught.

Their playoff chances have indeed increased to 21%. But they've stopped to 9th in the WC race, with only their close peer Buffalo below them in the East

 

[MJL66]

Your own explanation contradicts your definition. There was an explanation, therefore it wasn't ghosting.

False. The ghosting took place after he told them he wasn't going to sign with him. It is at that point that all communication was cut off. By your premise in order for it to be ghosting. No communication at any point could've taken place. There is no contradiction.

 

[ponder719]

False. The ghosting took place after he told them he wasn't going to sign with him. It is at that point that all communication was cut off. By your premise in order for it to be ghosting. No communication at any point could've taken place. There is no contradiction.

Your definition required there to be no explanation. There was an explanation, therefore it is not ghosting, it is simply cessation of communications.

 

[MJL66]

Your definition required there to be no explanation. There was an explanation, therefore it is not ghosting, it is simply cessation of communications.

You're not getting it. Once communication was shut off, there was no explanation. It was ghosting. Read the Flyers comments. They themselves say they don't know why. That they received no explanation.

 

[swami24]

Pretty lame coverage of the Philly reception, by an LA Paper. They actually quoted the fans with "Thank You Cutter."

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Cutter was a very good prospect. That holds. He was named the WJC best forward a year ago and followed with a national championship at BC while putting up 38 goals and 27 assists in 41 games as a sophomore.

I still think he'll end up a 30-goal scorer in the NHL. But man, no one ever said he was without flaws, and tonight he was embarrassingly soft.

Denver win the national championship. Not BC. That being said, Gauthier is a promising player.

 

[ponder719]

You're not getting it. Once communication was shut off, there was no explanation. It was ghosting. Read the Flyers comments. They themselves say they don't know why. That they received no explanation.

It's not that I don't get it, it's that I don't believe the Flyers when they say that. I believe that the final communication to the Flyers WAS the explanation that there would be no further communication, and why, but it is not in the Flyers' interest to express that publicly, so they're simply saying they don't know why. Hence, not ghosting, because they got their explanation, they just aren't admitting it.

Well, that or they could be so stupid that they didn't understand the explanation, I could see that as well.

 

[MJL66]

It's not that I don't get it, it's that I don't believe the Flyers when they say that. I believe that the final communication to the Flyers WAS the explanation that there would be no further communication, and why, but it is not in the Flyers' interest to express that publicly, so they're simply saying they don't know why. Hence, not ghosting, because they got their explanation, they just aren't admitting it.

Well, that or they could be so stupid that they didn't understand the explanation, I could see that as well.

That explanation was given before the Gauthier camp started ghosting the Flyers. By simple logic it can't be considered an explanation invalidating the ghosting simply because it hadn't occurred yet at that point. Nobody in the entire hockey world has a confirmed explanation why. If it had been given, it would've leaked by now. It is still being debated today.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Come on, how can anyone believe that the Flyers actually don't know what happened?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Denver win the national championship. Not BC. That being said, Gauthier is a promising player.

True. My error. Also, for as much as I dislike Gauthier's personality and tendency to disappear, I still think he's a 30-goal scorer eventually in the NHL.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

That explanation was given before the Gauthier camp started ghosting the Flyers. By simple logic it can't be considered an explanation invalidating the ghosting simply because it hadn't occurred yet at that point. Nobody in the entire hockey world has a confirmed explanation why. If it had been given, it would've leaked by now. It is still being debated today.

Eliotte Friedman confirmed on December 31st that the issue was that he wasn't signed when the Flyers front office turnover was occurring which has been alluded to since the trade was made.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I think the general chaos around that time played a part too. I think ASF & STG framed it ridiculously like Hayes was actively trying to get Gauthier not to sign. But I do think the fallout with Hayes & Tortorella was a turn off for Gauthier when combined with everything else.

Even the guys on Chicklets seemed to allude to Tortorella being an issue at the time (not the only one but apart of the equation).

 

[MJL66]

Eliotte Friedman confirmed on December 31st that the issue was that he wasn't signed when the Flyers front office turnover was occurring which has been alluded to since the trade was made.

He didn't confirm it, he speculated. Nobody has confirmed it.