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GDT: - #40 | Flyers at Leafs | Sunday, January 5, 2024 | 7:00 PM TONIGHT | NBCSP, 97.5 FM | Page 19 | HFBoards - NHL Message Board and Forum for National Hockey League
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GDT: #40 | Flyers at Leafs | Sunday, January 5, 2024 | 7:00 PM TONIGHT | NBCSP, 97.5 FM

I'm gonna quote myself to track some of the deep reasons why hockey has trended this way back towards skill and finesse and favoring the attack over teams that can murderize and grind down opponents.

It starts with hits like Richards liquefying Booth's brain, and the aftermath that saw headshots finally cracked down on. Youth leagues led the way and put hard bans in place. Prior to that, with kids emulating Lindros and Stevens and Pronger, skilled kids had to spend a shitload of time learning to protect themselves over learning how to attack the opposition defense. Fine offensive skills took a backseat. When kids no longer had to worry about keeping their heads on their shoulders, offensive skill began exploding. Look at the sheer talent and creativity coming in with McDavid and the guys after him. That's a result of a new era of hockey that lets guys experiment and take those chances instead of wondering if they'd have their brain removed. And the modern-thinking teams are doing all they can to take advantage of that skill.

The advantage does not lay with defense anymore. Not just because goalie gear was cracked down on, but because kids have grow up building more effective toolsets than we've seen since the 90s and early 00s. These players have the means to force defensive teams on their heels. Use initiative to make them react, and once they're reacting they're more likely to make mistakes.

The Flyers are not moving in this direction with all the other good teams trying to get the most out of what new players are bringing to the table. The Flyers are obstinately trying to fly backwards in time to the Dead Puck Era. An age that doesn't exist, and which puts them at a disadvantage. They are not growing the skills in players that are seeing success around the league, especially on Cup winning teams. They're obsessed with making guys into 1999 style grinders with simple, safe games. And thanks to their defense-first mentality, they're forever yielding initiative to their opponents.

They've actually vastly improved this year by being less passive and not sitting in shells on defense. But serious aggression is still absent on offense. They are not truly attacking or pushing the opposition. They don't force mistakes. Goalies aren't challenged off their angles, defenders aren't forced to make choices. It's all based around making safe plays to limit the possibilities of attacks against, but those attacks are going to happen. Having 3 fewer of them against a game isn't worth turning down all the potential pressure you can generate. The Flyers are stuck in a dead era built on a style of play that matches retiring players who aren't flowing into the league now. Rather than what IS entering the league. Look at how they're squandering and suppressing Michkov!

All in service of a defense-first mindset, when in this league environment built on aggression and offensive attack, defense-first means you're just holding on and trying to delay drowning.
Red Queen effect. As the rules allowed smaller, more skilled players to thrive, the league got slightly smaller (about 5 lbs) and faster. But this also made players who could skate, forecheck and play defense more valuable than bigger, slower, more physical players. So the league has gotten faster in the bottom six, and those small skilled players have smaller windows and face physical play from faster players who can hound them.

Flyers are 13th in ES scoring, ahead of Minnesota, NJ and Florida.
Last 21 games, they're 4th in ES scoring, so seems they've become the team you want.
They're 6th in xGF/60, so they're not doing it on some sort of scoring heater.
They need to improve STs and goalies to be competitive.
ES scoring will continue to improve as they incrementally add talent and get more experience.
 
No. The talent has to come into the culture. If not, you get Buffalo.

Teams across every sport draft and trade for talent first, not culture.

You may want the Flyers to draft and trade for culture first, but that's just not how the sports world works.

Tell me, when drafting players for culture - what exactly are you looking for? Itemize the criteria you require for 17-18yr old boys.
 
To be clear, nowhere have I said the current team is any good. It's not.

Where we differ is that I see a pathway that leads to success and continued success after the 26/27 season. They might screw it up of course, but I can see a way it can work out well. I will not hold Briere or Jones to mistakes made by Fletcher or earlier. I find that just negativity for the sake of being negative. It's an easy "told you so" and it seems to revel in failure. I would not watch at all rather than live in that world.
I see you're still ignoring the massive blunders current management has been making while talking this fair shake nonsense. Also choosing to ignore that this management group is in the same mold of management that's been in place for the Flyers since the 1990s. It's amazing how you equate facts into being negative
Yours is the half empty pessimist view. You can have that. Not for me. I find that way of living unhealthy. If I felt that pessimistic about my sports team I would stop watching just to clear my head of the negativity. Or I'd find a new team.
So you can have that view, and you can say the past mistakes guarantee future ones but you won't get me to sail on that sinking ship.
No one's living pessmisticly we're talking about a hockey team not our lives. You're method of enjoying the team is sticking your head in the sand labeling posters as negative because you don't have any cogent arguments against the reality that is this team. No one cares how you live your life or what you do as a fairweather fan just start posting shit that makes sense.
 

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