GDT: 4-Nations Games

[Tuna99]

I'm thinking because he tweeted Trump was possibly going to the game, people are upset because it's Trump. He works for ESPN in the States, not TSN or Sportsnet in Canada.

Aliu made a post about racism and P.K as well in reference to the quote, nothing more than him not liking the guy or his political leanings. Was upset he was using his platform for plublicity reasons. I mean, yeah, those interviews and appearances were huge for the Sport.

P.K gave about 3/4 interviews that had literally all of U.S talking about how the NHL is so different and so much better than the NBA when it comes to the fans and players caring and giving the fans what they want. It was shared and commented on by about 100 of the biggest athletes and reporters in the States that would otherwise not give a shit about hockey.

P.K is a loudmouth who says what is in his head, always has been and always will be. That's what the NHL needs right now. I really don't, and never have, liked him, but he helped gain traction.

League has been trying to grow for 40 years, they found thier route with this tournament, and P.K has about 3 interviews making waves in the States about what hockey is and how it's played with competiveness and pride, something everyone agreed the NBA doesn't do as they were comparing how the sports were different that is playing a pretty large part in that

Well, if we get to it, I’d rather be in a trench with P.K. Subban then Akium Alu

 

[PlayOn]

I didn't think they were over the moon on anything. I was wondering what it was about .. them saying its our time?
I think Marchand is just trying to rub some salt in the wound

I think the group chat stuff. Brady saying they planned the fights in the group chat, then Hagel said that they play for the flag not for cameras and they don’t have a group chat. Then Matthew said they must not like each other that much if they don’t have a group chat.

It’s pretty tame stuff. Marchand is definitely rubbing salt in the wound, but it’s also in-line with hockey culture to just go out and play and not draw attention to yourself so I think it’s probably how he really feels. He said it gave them added motivation and you don’t wanna do that in best on best — and to be fair, if you make the moment bigger to get people more invested, the inevitability of it is that the stakes get raised, so he’s not wrong on that. But it was the right move for them win or lose.

 

[Tuna99]

That bolded disingenuous, Aliu literally grew up with Subban and didn't make any comment on who Subban votes for. Aliu called out Subban for only using his platform for publicity and not speaking out about the issues Canada is facing because of Agent Orange.

Subban is being a sellout to his country. Yes its creating more awareness for the game, but picking that over BS Canada is experience. Subban is being incredibly tone-deaf in his interviews talking about how the 4N final might be bigger than the Cup Finals while excluding why it might be bigger (hint: the political nonsense is a big reason why). Aliu is asking Subban if it is worth it for him to use his platform to promote the game, while ignoring how Canada is being treated.

The NHL benefits from loudmouths in the media, but it doesn't only have to be tone deaf takes that ignore the larger political climate.

I guess I missed the election where Canadas hockey fans have nominated P.K. Subban to speak for our political independence, I’ve always thought of P.K. Subban as a guy who sells donuts and towels in big suits and not much of a political pundit

 

[bicboi64]

Well, if we get to it, I’d rather be in a trench with P.K. Subban then Akium Alu

Subban's slewfoots aren't going to help you during the annexation

 

[Tuna99]

Subban's slewfoots aren't going to help you during the annexation

Well, I do know PK Subban would fight, he wouldn’t run and hide like a lot of these cowards who are afraid to even boo

 

[BondraTime]

That bolded disingenuous, Aliu literally grew up with Subban and didn't make any comment on who Subban votes for. Aliu called out Subban for only using his platform for publicity and not speaking out about the issues Canada is facing because of Agent Orange.

Subban is being a sellout to his country. Yes its creating more awareness for the game, but picking that over BS Canada is experience. Subban is being incredibly tone-deaf in his interviews talking about how the 4N final might be bigger than the Cup Finals while excluding why it might be bigger (hint: the political nonsense is a big reason why). Aliu is asking Subban if it is worth it for him to use his platform to promote the game, while ignoring how Canada is being treated.

The NHL benefits from loudmouths in the media, but it doesn't only have to be tone deaf takes that ignore the larger political climate.

It's not, whateoever, and that's on Aliu for projecting an absolute ton. Subban is under absoltely no obligation to jump into that pile of shit slinging of defending Canada, had absolutely nothing to do with race, or anything Aliu then goes on the rant about. He is an on air talent for the largest American broadcaster, and his job is to promote hockey and the NHL. He succeeded, big time.

Of course him posting about Trump is what prompted it, and he literally states "you take the side of the opressor".

I would have absolutely no problem saying that game and tournament was more important than the cup finals. For the NHL and growing the game, it's not even remotely close, it was much bigger. I didn't even give the tournament a second thought, but it was all that was talked about, everywhere, for a week.

 

[Micklebot]

What a world we live in where a sens fans starts sticking up for Subban... strange times.

 

[Tuna99]

What a world we live in where a sens fans starts sticking up for Subban... strange times.

Dude donated $10 million to a children’s hospital - lots of love for P.K. In Ottawa, he was on the ice for that WJC goal

 

[bicboi64]

It's not, whateoever, and that's on Aliu for projecting an absolute ton. Subban is under absoltely no obligation to jump into that pile of shit slinging of defending Canada, had absolutely nothing to do with race, or anything Aliu then goes on the rant about. He is an on air talent for the largest American broadcaster, and his job is to promote hockey and the NHL. He succeeded, big time.

Of course him posting about Trump is what prompted it, and he literally states "you take the side of the opressor".

I would have absolutely no problem saying that game and tournament was more important than the cup finals. For the NHL and growing the game, it's not even remotely close, it was much bigger. I didn't even give the tournament a second thought, but it was all that was talked about, everywhere, for a week.

You're missing the whole point and being disingenuous by reinforcing that this tournament is this huge thing without acknowledging why more important than the SCF. The tournament is bigger than the Cup Finals, it's because of the "shit slinging of defending Canada" situation all of us are currently in. If you don't believe anyone in a position of power should use their power to make the world less shitty, we're at a fundamentally different stance.

You have a very distorted view of what Aliu is ranting about, I really hope you look at the bolded and find value in Aliu pointing out Subban's hypocrisy because its not projection. We need more of that because people who proclaim to love Canada need to be called out if they want to profit off the situation without doing anything to help Canada. Subban commenting on what's actually happening definitely creates controversy and gets ESPN more clicks, but Subban chose to only get his clicks and views by doing what every other outlet is doing.

I’ve watched you from afar and never said anything for two main reasons. 1 being the respect I have for your brothers and parents & 2 I’ve always wanted to keep the in fighting between folks of color to a minimum.

This was something I couldn’t let go –

I’ve known you since I was ten years old and played with you so I’d say I know you better than most at a deeper level. You were a hell of a player and instead of using your platform you did everything in your power to gain acceptance and popularity, nothing with you has ever been genuine but transactional and usually for publicity reasons.

Even during this most sensitive time both politically and socially you take the side of the oppressor because that’s who you make your money from. I would of thought the “love” you have always claimed for your country, a country you represented at the highest levels would shine through to push back on rhetoric of annexation and humiliation of the very land you are born and raised in, but even that doesn’t get you to do the right morally.

This is the reason why every place you have played – no one liked you and players on the inside have always known who you really are – a sell out of the highest proportions. You are the perfect example of why people of color haven’t progressed at the highest levels of society. From one man to another, you’re a disgrace and history will judge you accordingly."

 

[Laphroaig]

Your emo is next level.

Only players to score for the USA were Sens players.

Both of those Sens players have at least one Canadian parent.

 

[bicboi64]

Loving the dunking on USA I'm seeing on Reddit lol

 

[Tuna99]

You're missing the whole point and being disingenuous by reinforcing that this tournament is this huge thing without acknowledging why more important than the SCF. The tournament is bigger than the Cup Finals, it's because of the "shit slinging of defending Canada" situation all of us are currently in. If you don't believe anyone in a position of power should use their power to make the world less shitty, we're at a fundamentally different stance.

You have a very distorted view of what Aliu is ranting about, I really hope you look at the bolded and find value in Aliu pointing out Subban's hypocrisy because its not projection. We need more of that because people who proclaim to love Canada need to be called out if they want to profit off the situation without doing anything to help Canada. Subban commenting on what's actually happening definitely creates controversy and gets ESPN more clicks, but Subban chose to only get his clicks and views by doing what every other outlet is doing.

This is stupid, Pk Subban is doing his job of promoting hockey, Aliu is on his couch making g personal attacks - it’s like saying the referee hates Canada because he called a penalty on a Canadian player at a time of national panic. Stupid, PK Subban is a hockey commentator, if you want more from him the right his name in on the ballot in the next election.

Trump creates anger and that motivates people to act, but Aliu is acting like an idiot not a patriot

 

[PlayOn]

This is stupid, Pk Subban is doing his job of promoting hockey, Aliu is on his couch making g personal attacks - it’s like saying the referee hates Canada because he called a penalty on a Canadian player at a time of national panic. Stupid, PK Subban is a hockey commentator, if you want more from him the right his name in on the ballot in the next election.

Trump creates anger and that motivates people to act, but Aliu is acting like an idiot not a patriot

Subban can do both. He can acknowledge that the political climate is fueling the game and rivalry, and that is a good thing, and still stand up for his own country.

Aliu’s point is that Subban chooses the path that gets him the most attention instead of having convictions. Can’t really disagree on that point personally. We all know people like this unfortunately.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I think the group chat stuff. Brady saying they planned the fights in the group chat, then Hagel said that they play for the flag not for cameras and they don’t have a group chat. Then Matthew said they must not like each other that much if they don’t have a group chat.

It’s pretty tame stuff. Marchand is definitely rubbing salt in the wound, but it’s also in-line with hockey culture to just go out and play and not draw attention to yourself so I think it’s probably how he really feels. He said it gave them added motivation and you don’t wanna do that in best on best — and to be fair, if you make the moment bigger to get people more invested, the inevitability of it is that the stakes get raised, so he’s not wrong on that. But it was the right move for them win or lose.

These guys have this take on it. .. I think the tournament and rivalry ; the quality of hockey; the physicality all do good things for the game and garner interest. Do the chirps help grow the game? maybe a little, hard to measure. Not more than the game itself. The energy at those games oozed out of our TVs. If people are going to speak out about their superiority before the game is played (not saying they did that exactly) .. I know I'm the type to not say too much but would be inspired to stuff those words back in their mouth and may have some comments about it if afterwards.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

What does the trizzy tain is coming even mean though?

But you can't be a Canadian and also give attention or legitimacy to Trump's posts unless you're ripping them apart.

Subban chose his side imo.

 

[otown]

This is stupid, Pk Subban is doing his job of promoting hockey, Aliu is on his couch making g personal attacks - it’s like saying the referee hates Canada because he called a penalty on a Canadian player at a time of national panic. Stupid, PK Subban is a hockey commentator, if you want more from him the right his name in on the ballot in the next election.

Trump creates anger and that motivates people to act, but Aliu is acting like an idiot not a patriot

Everybody has a right to their opinion. It is no secret that PK sucks the air out of every room he enters.
There is a reason why no other NHL team would touch him as his career was winding down.
He is in the right spot as a sports commentator. He never met a camera he didn't like!

 

[Tuna99]

Subban can do both. He can acknowledge that the political climate is fueling the game and rivalry, and that is a good thing, and still stand up for his own country.

Aliu’s point is that Subban chooses the path that gets him the most attention instead of having convictions. Can’t really disagree on that point personally.

Oh okay, PK isn’t living the life Aliu wants him from Twitter, PK has responsibilities outside of his personal life to attend to like promoting hockey and maybe following instructions from his network not to speak specifically to politics.

And PK owes Aliu something because they are black - this doesn’t make any sense it’s just a guy saying he’s a bigger hero then another guy because he’d do that other guys job differently when before this tournament started nobody cared what Aliu or PK thought of US-Cabada trade relations. Stupid all of it.

It’s just people enjoying someone’s anger because that’s what Twitter is

 

[Senscore]

I don't think PK is a traitor I just think he's an idiot.


Gretzky though . . .

 

[otown]

I don't think PK is a traitor I just think he's an idiot.


Gretzky though . . .

No doubt about it...Gretzky is a Trumpy!

 

[Mingus Dew]

Rich people like drastically lower taxes. More at 11.

 

[SPF6ty9]

I don't think PK is a traitor I just think he's an idiot.


Gretzky though . . .

Gretzky hasn't been Canadian for a long time. Can't imagine Eruzione giving thumbs ups to the Canadian bench.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Your emo is next level.

Only players to score for the USA were Sens players.

And then the game was on ones stick and no finish

 

[Micklebot]

We're going to have to disagree here.

Donating a material sum of money like that makes a real difference in people's lives. Bill Gates certainly still lives like a king but that doesn't diminish the effects of his charitable giving. Especially when most of the ultra rich are concerned with getting richer and literally nothing else.

He didn't go anywhere. He said Trump might go to the game. Did he express support for Trump's policies or for the annexation of Canada? What are people angry about?

Oh, it made a huge difference to those kids. But to PK? No, it didn't, aside from putting him in the spotlight, so why are we bringing it up like it's some major sacrifice that shows how great a person he is?

Again, I'm not saying he's a bad person, I couldn't really care less. What I'm saying is that bringing up a donation to shut down criticism is lame. You want to shut down the criticism, then address the criticism directly. Address what Aliu actually said, don't just say PK played in the WJC and donated piles of cash, so people love him.

 

[PlayOn]

Not that it really matters, but Subban didn’t donate 10 million out of pocket. He pledged to raise 10 million total with his foundation, and donated an amount himself that was never made public.

The $10 million is a combination of a personal donation from Subban — in the seven-figure range — as well as funds from the P.K. Subban Foundation and fundraising activities using his name and brand over the next seven years.

https://www.montrealgazette.com/news/article335350.html#storylink=cpy

Not trying to downplay as it’s still obviously a great thing but just fyi.

 

[JungleBeat]

Americans are going to be in for a rude awakening when they realize how boring the NHL is when Trump isnt the reason for the hype.