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Still, the Edler goal was essentially a power play one. Expecting everyone to find their man and start playing down a man is kind of a ridiculous thing to do, I feel. Clowe should have stayed down and drawn a whistle. His limping to the bench is what cost us that goal.
 
CerebralGenesis said:
They had ample opportunities to get out of that situation after the Fayne turnover. You might as well blame elias for not dumping the puck in hard enough for the goal too several shifts earlier.
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That's incredibly shortsighted. Defend Fayne at all costs I guess. It was an egregious mistake that led to a goal not 30 seconds later.

Also, re-watching that replay, Loktionov is more to blame than Greene on the goal itself. Greene plays the man with the puck (does his job), Fayne takes Sedin going to the net (does his job), and Loktionov doesn't pick up Edler trailing the play. If you watch the replay, you can see Loktionov gliding behind Edler. If he picks him up the pass doesn't get through.
 
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Wingman77 said:
That is all irrelevant because the puck was cleared out by Greene and it was at that point that Clowe tried to get to the bench

There is little we could have done because we were a man down
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Pretty much, you knew it was coming with Clowe literally crawling off the ice. They were having heavy pressure and it was pretty much a 5 on 4. It wasn't played right, but it was a hard situation.

Doesn't matter as we were really sloppy, easily our worst game yet.
 
Unknown Caller said:
It's not irrelevant because the whole situation stemmed from Fayne turning the puck over at the blueline. If he picks his head up and just throws it into the corner, the whole situation is avoided.

If you only look at the 10 seconds preceding a goal, you miss the big picture of how the play developed.
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I understand one thing leads to another that leads to another, etc, but the puck was cleared out of our defensive zone which always gives the team an opportunity to stop the opposition from coming back in, it makes whatever play happened in the defensive zone moot, hence why we have off-sides

If Clowe isn't forced to leave the ice, he is right there at the blue line coming into our defensive zone to pick his man up and prevent a pass from coming across ice which led to the goal

If anybody is at fault, watching it again, it is Lokti for not picking up Clowe's guy - Lokti's guy was the left guy at the point, but you always pick the guy up closer to the net in that situation because you always want a shot from up top rather than a shot close range
 
Wingman77 said:
I understand one thing leads to another that leads to another, etc, but the puck was cleared out of our defensive zone which always gives the team an opportunity to stop the opposition from coming back in, it makes whatever play happened in the defensive zone moot, hence why off-sides is a rule

If Clowe isn't forced to leave the ice, he is right there at the blue line coming into our defensive zone to pick his man up and prevent a pass from coming across ice which led to the goal

If anybody is at fault, watching it again, it is Lokti for not picking up Clowe's guy - Lokti's guy was the left guy at the point, but you always pick the guy up closer to the net in that situation because where would you rather have a shot from? Up top or close range?
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Just posted the same exact thing about Loktionov. To make matters worse, it wasn't Clowe's guy. That was Loktionov's guy whether Clowe was on the ice or not. Clowe being the winger would have had the point man. Loktionov as the center is supposed to pick up the trailer coming into the slot.
 
Unknown Caller said:
Just posted the same exact thing about Loktionov. To make matters worse, it wasn't Clowe's guy. That was Loktionov's guy whether Clowe was on the ice or not. Clowe being the winger would have had the point man. Loktionov as the center is supposed to pick up the trailer coming into the slot.
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That is correct, center is usually responsible for the third open guy that the D doesn't have down low

In a situation like that though, sometimes the winger slides up and covers another guy because Lokti was already back near the point guy, so Clowe could have likely picked up Lokti's guy

As others have mentioned, I had a horrible feeling about that play when Clowe was hobbling around
 
we're down to which critical error is most at fault so obviously there's plenty of blame to spread around - I just don't blame the player that had the puck 30 seconds and 4 players ago over the guy who had the puck last and should have iced it to get a whistle and get the injured guy off the ice who clearly couldn't do his job.


blame game is no fun - everyone's a loser.
 
Unknown Caller said:
That's incredibly shortsighted. Defend Fayne at all costs I guess. It was an egregious mistake that led to a goal not 30 seconds later.

Also, re-watching that replay, Loktionov is more to blame than Greene on the goal itself. Greene plays the man with the puck (does his job), Fayne takes Sedin going to the net (does his job), and Loktionov doesn't pick up Edler trailing the play. If you watch the replay, you can see Loktionov gliding behind Edler. If he picks him up the pass doesn't get through.
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He definitely made mistakes but you're missing the point again.

That didn't lead to the goal any more than Loktionov and Greene did. The team made mistakes like crazy all night but Fayne is the one coming out of games to sit when Volchenkov is not.

I saw the play, I don't need a replay to see it again. I try to minimize my regurgitations.
 
I've been encouraged by our playmaking and creativity. Jagr, Elias, Brunner, Loktionov, and Ryder have all shown fantastic playmaking/creativity. This is refreshing considering the only guys who showed any semblance of creativity last year were 17, Elias, and Loktionov.

I've been discouraged by the rest of our offense. Henrique's inability to adjust to the creativity of a Brunner rendered that experience useless quickly. Zajac's inability to profit from Elias's creativity was evident throughout their career, but our bonehead coach needed further confirmation there. I don't mind Zubrus with Loktionov and Brunner since he fights and wins the puck battles.

But Henrique and Zajac cannot be on a line together with Ryder. Elias needs to be with Ryder to maximize Ryder's potential, IMO, either that or Ryder needs to be on a line with Loktionov.

So you either have to go: Ryder - Elias - Jagr / Clowe - Loktionov - Brunner OR Clowe - Elias - Jagr / Brunner - Loktionov - Ryder

Henrique / Zajac / Zubrus play the same cycling, puck possession style so I don't understand why we don't give that a prolonged look. Could be a solid "shut-down" line.
 
Richer's Ghost said:
we're down to which critical error is most at fault so obviously there's plenty of blame to spread around - I just don't blame the player that had the puck 30 seconds and 4 players ago over the guy who had the puck last and should have iced it to get a whistle and get the injured guy off the ice who clearly couldn't do his job.


blame game is no fun - everyone's a loser.
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How I see it, but it was a crappy situation all around. If Clowe doesn't take a nasty puck to the shin, which is just bad luck, I think we get out of that situation without giving up the goal.

Puck should of been cleared and iced, but its one of those unfortunate ones that isn't worth going crazy over.
 
ThePSEGPowerPoster said:
I've been encouraged by our playmaking and creativity. Jagr, Elias, Brunner, Loktionov, and Ryder have all shown fantastic playmaking/creativity. This is refreshing considering the only guys who showed any semblance of creativity last year were 17, Elias, and Loktionov.

I've been discouraged by the rest of our offense. Henrique's inability to adjust to the creativity of a Brunner rendered that experience useless quickly. Zajac's inability to profit from Elias's creativity was evident throughout their career, but our bonehead coach needed further confirmation there. I don't mind Zubrus with Loktionov and Brunner since he fights and wins the puck battles.

But Henrique and Zajac cannot be on a line together with Ryder. Elias needs to be with Ryder to maximize Ryder's potential, IMO, either that or Ryder needs to be on a line with Loktionov.

So you either have to go: Ryder - Elias - Jagr / Clowe - Loktionov - Brunner OR Clowe - Elias - Jagr / Brunner - Loktionov - Ryder

Henrique / Zajac / Zubrus play the same cycling, puck possession style so I don't understand why we don't give that a prolonged look. Could be a solid "shut-down" line.
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I thought Zubs was working well with the creativity of Elias and Jagr. In fact that was easily our best line last night.

I'm not sure what or where you can put Henrique and Zajac right now as they aren't up to speed yet clearly.
 
I actually thought this game was a slight improvement as far as the breakaways went. I think we only gave up 2.:laugh:

I still think Pittsburgh might have actually been our best game defensively. Especially when you compare who Pittsburgh has on their roster compared to other teams. A Crosby breakaway isn't as pathetic as breakaways from some of these jabroni's like Grabner.
 
Pick three things to fix next game:
(you can only have 3)

[ ] Turnovers
[ ] Defensive zone positioning
[ ] Breakaways
[ ] No soft goals
[ ] Forecheck pressure
[ ] Scoring
[ ] Powerplay

We will be complaining about the others for sure.

I think this is the common thread so far. :laugh:
 
[X] Turnovers
[X] Defensive zone positioning
[X] Breakaways
[ ] No soft goals
[ ] Forecheck pressure
[ ] Scoring
[ ] Powerplay

I actually thought the turnovers were pretty bad last night, especially in the 1st.
 
Richer's Ghost said:
Pick three things to fix next game:
(you can only have 3)

[ ] Turnovers
[ ] Defensive zone positioning
[ ] Breakaways
[ ] No soft goals
[ ] Forecheck pressure
[ ] Scoring
[ ] Powerplay

We will be complaining about the others for sure.

I think this is the common thread so far. :laugh:
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if we dont select 3 for this game, may we reserve the right to use 6 on the next game? where are the official rules?
 
[x] Turnovers
[x] Defensive zone positioning
[x] Breakaways
[ ] No soft goals
[ ] Forecheck pressure
[ ] Scoring
[ ] Powerplay


Really the 3 most important things. Scoring is there, forecheck is there even though it could be better. Soft goals are subjective and related to the first 3 anyway.

We only had one PP last night and it was clear they had no intent to try and score with the guys put out there. It didn't look to bad in the Oilers game.
 
[x] Turnovers
[x] Defensive zone positioning
[x] Breakaways
[x] No soft goals
[x] Forecheck pressure
[x] Scoring
[x] Powerplay

I dont care about your 3 things rule. we need to fix EVERYTHING :laugh:

seriously though, I guess Turnovers, Powerplay and D-positioning

turnovers lead to the soft goals, powerplay needs to be ALOT better and not just enter the zone then get pushed out 2 seconds later, and the defensive positioning is pretty poor right now

scoring isnt TOO bad. we scored enough to win but blew the leads on Defense
 
[X] Turnovers
[X] Defensive zone positioning
[ ] Breakaways
[X] No soft goals
[ ] Forecheck pressure
[ ] Scoring
[ ] Powerplay

My write-in vote would be "Passing"...since every pass seems to miss the guy its going to or when it does get to the right guy they can't control it and lose the puck.
 
Dmitry Chesnokov ‏@dchesnokov 1m

43 year old #KHL CSKA GM Sergei Fedorov is un-retiring, according to SovSport; will play this Friday in the #KHL.

maybe Lamoriello should play D?
 
KaossKing said:
Dmitry Chesnokov ‏@dchesnokov 1m

43 year old #KHL CSKA GM Sergei Fedorov is un-retiring, according to SovSport; will play this Friday in the #KHL.

maybe Lamoriello should play D?
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NJ Devils Beat Writer @BeatWritersTwitter

Scott Stevens #NHL NJD ASST is un-retiring, according to PAPER; will play 10/11 @CALG. Cites frustration over D.
 
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