Value of: 3C to New Jersey

[dgibb10]

Haula and Palat are claused up, they aren't going anywhere they don't want to go.

You definitely asked for some 2nds not one.

How about a 1st a 2nd plus Mercer, Casey and Tatar for cap reasons for Miller? Would you do that?

That's STILL a hard pass for miller.

We're still talking the eichel price there

Well if the Canucks were a Hamilton away from being cup contenders I wouldn't be opposed to it, the only issue is we aren't, also you still would have Luke Hughes, Silayev, and Casey while the Canucks prospect pool is bare so trading either of those would empty out our cupboard,although for you guys it wouldn't even make a dent.

As far as i'm concerned this would benefit New Jersey a lot more considering the lacklustre playoff performances of your teams in the past, and I doubt Miller would complain about deployment at least for this season, next season he might but a trade of Palat or Haula and signing a 3C solves that problem, especially considering teams are going to be struggling to reach the cap floor with the rising cap.

Assuming we don't trade Petey, Miller would be the best available player at the TDL, and New Jersey would be dumb not to take a deal like that if the opportunity presented itself.

You're mot gonna fool anyone into paying 24 year old 1C prices for JT miller.

Dougie hamilton 1 mill retained, 1 for 1.

 

[crackdown44]

Way too many moving parts to do this kind of deal. You've got them sending out numerous players from their bottom 6 which is their biggest issue right now. In addition you've got them sending Palat to a team trying to reach the floor, I'm pretty sure Palat says no thanks to that.

To summarize, they'd be trading basiclly all their draft picks (a 1st and a few 2nds), their top prospect (Nemec) and 2 players out of their bottom 6 (Mercer and Tatar) and have them realistically only adding Miller. They'd still have no cap space to add anything in the bottom 6 nor would they have any ammunition to acquire these players. They'd be forced to use MacDermid, Dowling and other AHL players to fill out the bottom 6. This isn't giving them great depth, it's decimating it.

Can’t you see that this deal is amazing for your team. The fan of the team offering it says so!

 

[HuGort]

Devils don't have their 1st this year.

It's good to see a fan wanting their team to be in the Playoffs even if they would probably be last years Washington Capitals.

Habs 10-5 since Laine return. They have a chance. Might add at deadline

 

[BHD]

I like Dickinson. I'm not sure how much I'd pay for him though, and I don't know if he is good enough to be a consistent 3C. But I like the player.

The only other guy I can think of would be Alex Kerfoot. His offense is limited, but he can round out a line. However, you have to think Keefe would play him like John Madden.

 

[dgibb10]

I'm sorry, but who had the Devils slotted as "Cup favorites" in the 2023 playoffs? I don't even think Devils fans would agree with that point.



I like Dickinson. I'm not sure how much I'd pay for him though, and I don't know if he is good enough to be a consistent 3C. But I like the player.

I liked Dickinson as a rental last year before he extended (and when we were still somewhat in it). I think at his contract we'd be buying retention tho (which imo would be my plan in most trades. Buy retention on guys with term, which I think is an underutilized and tbh somewhat undervalued tool).

 

[Unbiased Fan]

JT Miller for Meier and Nemec

 

[dgibb10]

JT Miller for Meier and Nemec

Hard pass

 

[HBK27]

The only other guy I can think of would be Alex Kerfoot. His offense is limited, but he can round out a line. However, you have to think Keefe would play him like John Madden.

Kerfoot might be an interesting option if Utah drops out of the playoff race.

Wonder if there's any animosity there though, since Kerfoot was drafted by the Devils but opted not to sign his ELC. I think it was mainly because he felt he'd have better opportunities elsewhere, but Fitzgerald was the AGM at that time for NJ.

 

[dgibb10]

Coyle or Lindholm ?
Make an offer

Is Boston willing to eat half of Coyle's contract?

 

[TCB]

Is Boston willing to eat half of Coyle's contract?

That would be a big no, depending on the return of course. Realistically though I don't see Sweeney dealing Coyle although he has a plethora of 3rdline Centers. Curious I dont get to see the Devils much because their blacked out in my area. Hows Dawson Mercer looking ? Ive always liked him .

Trent Frederic would be a guy I think Sweeney would be willing to move, although he hasn't been playing a lot of center till recently and he is an upcoming UFA.

 

[Smitty426]

JT Miller for Meier and Nemec

Let the Rags have him, pass

 

[Siignal]

Backlund + Andersson for one of the Devils' young D? No idea what gets added to either side so if anyone could round this off for me it would be lovely

Edit: adding rationale

Flames will be in win-now mode when whom they receive is more developed.

Backlund is an incredible two-way 3C and Andersson is a cost-controlled upgrade for a team who is looking primed to go the distance this year.

 

[dgibb10]

Backlund + Andersson for one of the Devils' young D? No idea what gets added to either side so if anyone could round this off for me it would be lovely

Not much interest in Andersson.

I think you'll be better off trying to sell him to literally any other team.

Backlund at 50% for futures would be something NJD should jump at though if the price isn't egregious

That would be a big no, depending on the return of course. Realistically though I don't see Sweeney dealing Coyle although he has a plethora of 3rdline Centers. Curious I dont get to see the Devils much because their blacked out in my area. Hows Dawson Mercer looking ? Ive always liked him .

Trent Frederic would be a guy I think Sweeney would be willing to move, although he hasn't been playing a lot of center till recently and he is an upcoming UFA.

Then NJD cannot take on Coyle's contract.

 

[Siignal]

Not much interest in Andersson.

I think you'll be better off trying to sell him to literally any other team.

Backlund at 50% for futures would be something NJD should jump at though if the price isn't egregious


Then NJD cannot take on Coyle's contract.


Then NJD cannot take on Coyle's contract.

Fair enough. I can understand why Andersson isn't of interest

 

[dgibb10]

Fair enough. I can understand why Andersson isn't of interest

I would pay a fairly solid price for Backlund, but unfortunately there the reality is he decides if he's traded and his destination, and I expect him to stay in Calgary

To go into a ridiculous world I'd want to buy both Backlund and Coleman and full retention on both of them (I like buying long term retention) for a haul of futures.

 

[seabass45]

No way Brady Tkachuk is even gonna touch the market.

Also Miller being a good soldier for half a season and the playoffs is what you would want, you don't want an 8 million dollar 3C for the rest of his contract, you would slide him in the 1LW or 2LW spot above Mier and Palat and your team is easily better for it.

Maybe even trade a player like Palat to a team trying to reach the cap floor and get 2 3rd liners and you've got great depth and versatility amongst your forward group.

*someone like*

I’m not a fan of either team here and you’re not making a good case.

 

[Devils Trap]

Backlund + Andersson for one of the Devils' young D? No idea what gets added to either side so if anyone could round this off for me it would be lovely

Edit: adding rationale

Flames will be in win-now mode when whom they receive is more developed.

Backlund is an incredible two-way 3C and Andersson is a cost-controlled upgrade for a team who is looking primed to go the distance this year.

Would JUMP at the chance of Backlund. Prob my #1 target, but not sure the pieces work out. Doubt we give up a young D for him and without a first I doubt CGY has something they want for him

 

[Smitty426]

you could trade One of Haula or Palat that open up cap space for two roster players and you can use your picks to get two 3rd liners retained also Im pretty sure it was just one second and if it wasn't then thats a mistake its only supposed to be one second.

Miller replaces Mercer, if Haula gets traded then you still have your 2 2nds to try an add 3rd liners for a retained deadline price, you would be able to strengthen your forward core quite easily, Trading Palat probably happens in the Offseason or a buyout.

Also I know he has draft Pedigree but Nemec is not your top prospect Silayev and Casey have surpassed him IMO.

Both Haula and Palat have NMC's, so there's that. Miller wants to be in NY, please let him go there, full NMC will dictate that. Nemec (who was thrown in the deep end last year) played 60 games last year as an 18- yr old, had 33 pts. Got hurt before the season and lost his spot to the 2 vet D men adds and a wonderful surprise of $750K #7 D man, Johnny Kovacevic (who is playing on a top 5-7 d man squad in the league!). Sil is not above Nemec in top prospect and Casey while good, could not hang on for more than 9 (sheltered) games on the big club. You should probably stop trying to sell us on our players.
Move Miller to NYC and take on Zibanjeds baggage, keep us out of it, our GM is fine doing his thing!

 

[crackdown44]

I liked Dickinson as a rental last year before he extended (and when we were still somewhat in it). I think at his contract we'd be buying retention tho (which imo would be my plan in most trades. Buy retention on guys with term, which I think is an underutilized and tbh somewhat undervalued tool).

I don’t think buying retention on guys with term is underutilized, I just think teams really hate to retain on guys with term. You only have so many retention slots. The price for retention on a player with term is quite high and therefore we see it less often

Would JUMP at the chance of Backlund. Prob my #1 target, but not sure the pieces work out. Doubt we give up a young D for him and without a first I doubt CGY has something they want for him

Could potentially be balanced out with picks. Calgary owns quite a few late firsts over the next two drafts. Though as it’s been mentioned numerous times in this thread Backlund won’t move unless he wants to and if he does want to I imagine the Flames org would do him a solid and send him to a place he wants to go that’s a good fit for him

 

[Eggtimers]

Backlund + Andersson for one of the Devils' young D? No idea what gets added to either side so if anyone could round this off for me it would be lovely

Edit: adding rationale

Flames will be in win-now mode when whom they receive is more developed.

Backlund is an incredible two-way 3C and Andersson is a cost-controlled upgrade for a team who is looking primed to go the distance this year.

I’d love to have Backlund . But Devils would need to include a cap dump or retention .
Nemec wiiid be an overpay in my opinion , so not sure if there is a fair offer to be made . Casey would be a no go and Hamilton wouldn’t waive .

 

[McJedi]

Jake Evans for a 2nd + prospect that's solid (B+ level).

 

[dgibb10]

Jake Evans for a 2nd + prospect that's solid (B+ level).

What are some examples (from any team) of what you think a B+ level prospect is?

 

[crackdown44]

Jake Evans for a 2nd + prospect that's solid (B+ level).

Think the habs just re sign him if that’s all they can get unless his contract ask is outrageous. They’ve got plenty of picks and they’re in the mix for a wild card spot

 

[TBF1972]

Well you were slotted to be cup favourites and only reached the 2nd round and got smacked by the Hurricanes, Miller would give you an elite 1-2-3 Center core like how the Pens had with Crosby-Malkin-Staal idk why you would not want that?

With the rising cap and elite players being able to play well into their 30s (Tavares,Crosby,Ovi,and Kopitar) why you would want the centre core is beyond me and it fit with the Devils window of 3-5 years of cup contention.

Also Chemistry of locker rooms barely ever has an effect on the ice, The reason the Canucks are playing average at best is because we have no top four defensemen outside of Quinn Hughes and Hronek(who is injured for another month or month and a half.

the devils core players around the team is build are:
hischier 26
hughes 23
hughes 21
and hopefully soon:
nemec 20

how you get to a contention window of the next 3-5 years is beyond me. if the gm is keeping cap flexibility (not locking into overpriced long term contracts for declining players) the contention window should be more like 7-10 years.

 

[BHawk21]

Dickinson is a perfect 3 center for that roster. Im not sure the hawks can give up a center tho.