Value of: 3C to New Jersey

[HugeInTheShire]

They really wouldn't have had the cap space to handle this weeks and months ago in certain situations. Even still, probably waiting until closer to the deadline as the team accrues cap space.

May have needed like 50% retention + taking Tatar back for a quality 3c is this had been done weeks ago and no guarantee that teams want to do that now without a big overpay

Other teams seem to have zero issues navigating the salary cap, it's a lazy excuse for a lazy GM.
Just look at how he handled not getting anywhere near acceptable goaltending, everyone knew he needed a goalie but he let waited, and waited and waited until it became pointless. Then he paid a 1st, a 2nd and Kevin Bahl to have the oldest duo in the league.

 

[dgibb10]

Other teams seem to have zero issues navigating the salary cap, it's a lazy excuse for a lazy GM.
Just look at how he handled not getting anywhere near acceptable goaltending, everyone knew he needed a goalie but he let waited, and waited and waited until it became pointless. Then he paid a 1st, a 2nd and Kevin Bahl to have the oldest duo in the league.

Oh no, not Kevin Bahl. I really wish we still had him so he could be our 7th best dman and sit in the press box all season.

he didn't trade a 2nd for Allen. He traded a 3rd

Our goaltending is currently performing quite well.

He is waiting on a Bottom 6 C (after having the perfect one unfortunately ending up a criminal) for the best bottom 6 UFA market in a WHILE.

I understand you want panic mode moves, but that's not what fitzgerald is going to do.

He was not going to go all in on a goalie when Jack Hughes had a damaged shoulder and our number 1 dman in dougie was out for the year to chase a 1st round exit at best.

 

[Forge]

Then he paid a 1st, a 2nd and Kevin Bahl to have the oldest duo in the league

Unless Allen picks up a ton of games played in the back half of the season, it'll be a first, a third and Bahl for Markstrom and Allen. Allen's condition for a second is unlikely to be met.

Given Markstrom's play, a mid-late first + Bahl for two years costing only 4.125 is perfectly fine for me. I have no complaints.

He did try to make a move earlier and Allen used his NTC. I'd also imagine that there wasn't a whole lot of people who were interested in taking Vitek back in any deal and frankly, in what was clearly a disaster of a season, I have no problems with him largely sitting on his hands in terms of buying.

Other teams seem to have zero issues navigating the salary cap, it's a lazy excuse for a lazy GM.

The guy basically revamped the goalie situation and the defense and while adding some forwards this offseason. Hasn't been a lot of trade movement for teams that actually lacked cap space so far and not a lot of in season trades overall. If you want to call him lazy, whatever floats your boat.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Oh no, not Kevin Bahl. I really wish we still had him so he could be our 7th best dman and sit in the press box all season.

he didn't trade a 2nd for Allen. He traded a 3rd

Our goaltending is currently performing quite well.

He is waiting on a Bottom 6 C (after having the perfect one unfortunately ending up a criminal) for the best bottom 6 UFA market in a WHILE.

I understand you want panic mode moves, but that's not what fitzgerald is going to do.

He was not going to go all in on a goalie when Jack Hughes had a damaged shoulder and our number 1 dman in dougie was out for the year to chase a 1st round exit at best.

Kevin Bahl has been a monster this year. Basically replaced Tanev. Although he’s not as good as Tanev on the PK, but than again I don’t know if there is a better PK d in the league than Tanev.

 

[BruinsJoe]

what is youre offer for Charlie Coyle?

 

[Forge]

What about JT miller, a 1st, some seconds, Mercer, Nemec, and Tatar for cap reasons.

It would imo make the devils favourites to win the cup and they can move miller up and down the lineup and even put him on the wing, or they can have an elite 1-2-3 C of Hughes, Hischier, and Miller.

I think this would be more than Eichel returned.

I'd have to pass.

 

[dgibb10]

Kevin Bahl has been a monster this year.

I'm sure he has been able to fill a role in calgary.

Still wouldn't play over any of the 6 D currently in NJDs lineup.

And likely would have meant we didn't bring in Kovacevic with bahl already occupying the assumed 7D role, which would have been very bad for our team this year considering how well Kovy has played.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Oh no, not Kevin Bahl. I really wish we still had him so he could be our 7th best dman and sit in the press box all season.

he didn't trade a 2nd for Allen. He traded a 3rd

Our goaltending is currently performing quite well.

He is waiting on a Bottom 6 C (after having the perfect one unfortunately ending up a criminal) for the best bottom 6 UFA market in a WHILE.

I understand you want panic mode moves, but that's not what fitzgerald is going to do.

He was not going to go all in on a goalie when Jack Hughes had a damaged shoulder and our number 1 dman in dougie was out for the year to chase a 1st round exit at best.

The goaltending was an issue before game 1 of last season, Hamilton was fine Hughes was fine. VV had lost the starting job in the playoffs and most people knew he wasn't the answer. In fact what you're saying speaks to exactly what I'm saying, it was an issue he did nothing, until it was too late AKA Hamilton was hurt Hughes was hurt, the season was lost.

I forgot about the conditions on the pick so I'm wrong there, it'll likely end up a 3rd.

The goaltending has been pretty darn good this year, but that's not the point I was making.

The bottom 6 has been an issue basically after the 1st month of the season. He's done nothing, I don't want a panic move I want signs of life. Hell I'd be satisfied with Tatar or Bastian hitting waivers as a wake up call to the roster, I just can't stand him once again sitting around hoping for the best.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Unless Allen picks up a ton of games played in the back half of the season, it'll be a first, a third and Bahl for Markstrom and Allen. Allen's condition for a second is unlikely to be met.

Given Markstrom's play, a mid-late first + Bahl for two years costing only 4.125 is perfectly fine for me. I have no complaints.

He did try to make a move earlier and Allen used his NTC. I'd also imagine that there wasn't a whole lot of people who were interested in taking Vitek back in any deal and frankly, in what was clearly a disaster of a season, I have no problems with him largely sitting on his hands in terms of buying.




The guy basically revamped the goalie situation and the defense and while adding some forwards this offseason. Hasn't been a lot of trade movement for teams that actually lacked cap space so far and not a lot of in season trades overall. If you want to call him lazy, whatever floats your boat.

He paid a premium for a goalie because teams knew he had to, if he didn't find one he likely gets fired.
For a team to be successful you usually need a GM that can identify issues and deal with them in season, he hasn't shown that he is capable of doing that.
He hasn't done a thing since the season started, he basically finished the offseason and went silent. A GM needs to be able to push the right buttons at the right times, and the only one he can find is pause.

 

[dgibb10]

The goaltending was an issue before game 1 of last season, Hamilton was fine Hughes was fine. VV had lost the starting job in the playoffs and most people knew he wasn't the answer. In fact what you're saying speaks to exactly what I'm saying, it was an issue he did nothing, until it was too late AKA Hamilton was hurt Hughes was hurt, the season was lost.

I forgot about the conditions on the pick so I'm wrong there, it'll likely end up a 3rd.

The goaltending has been pretty darn good this year, but that's not the point I was making.

The bottom 6 has been an issue basically after the 1st month of the season. He's done nothing, I don't want a panic move I want signs of life. Hell I'd be satisfied with Tatar or Bastian hitting waivers as a wake up call to the roster, I just can't stand him once again sitting around hoping for the best.

He tried to go after goalies. He just wasn't willing to pay an exhorbitant price.

Every NHL team has roster holes. Unfortunately this is the reality. Teams don't tend to make moves until later on. He waited until Lazar and Bastian got healthy.

He will buy when the market is right. Just be patient.

What team would you not complain about at this point in the year. Which team DOESN'T have holes they need to fill?

He paid a premium for a goalie because teams knew he had to, if he didn't find one he likely gets fired.
For a team to be successful you usually need a GM that can identify issues and deal with them in season, he hasn't shown that he is capable of doing that.
He hasn't done a thing since the season started, he basically finished the offseason and went silent. A GM needs to be able to push the right buttons at the right times, and the only one he can find is pause.

The price was expected to be much higher by the majority of people. Not me of course, but by most people. Do you not remember the discussions in here about how much markstrom would cost? Certainly weren't saying Bahl+1st for retained markstrom


And have you looked at the cost of a goalie lately? It costs 5+ mill for a mackenzie f***ing blackwood.

 

[Forge]

He paid a premium for a goalie because teams knew he had to, if he didn't find one he likely gets fired.
For a team to be successful you usually need a GM that can identify issues and deal with them in season, he hasn't shown that he is capable of doing that.
He hasn't done a thing since the season started, he basically finished the offseason and went silent. A GM needs to be able to push the right buttons at the right times, and the only one he can find is pause.

Okay

 

[HugeInTheShire]

He tried to go after goalies. He just wasn't willing to pay an exhorbitant price.

Every NHL team has roster holes. Unfortunately this is the reality. Teams don't tend to make moves until later on. He waited until Lazar and Bastian got healthy.

He will buy when the market is right. Just be patient.

He tried to go after the exact goalies he ended up getting, he paid exactly the price the other teams wanted him to. Granted he got favorable conditions on the pick in the Allen trade and retention on Markstrom which was a massive win. The fact that he needed goaltenders for well over a year is my problem.
This bottom 6 issue has been pretty glaring problem for a long time now and we haven't seen any sign of life from him at all.

 

[Eggtimers]

I want Granlund but I heard he is lacking defensively. This true? I would prefer someone who is a good at both ends of the ice . Backlund would be ideal but I can’t see the Flames trading their captain and longest tenured player.
Miller would be an amazing add but would not work for a bunch of reasons . Cap moving forward is one . Unless they move Hamilton and think Casey can replace him . I’d assume Nemec would have to be included in any deal for Miller unless Mercer and Casey and a pick(s) could be enough ( doubt it ) . Combo of Nemec Casey Mercer picks with Palat or Hamilton needed for cap reasons for Miller ?? I don’t know how that would leave the Devils for cap room to resign Luke though . And not sure if that makes the team much better if you remove Hamilton and replace him with Casey or Nemec . For now it’s a downgrade.

 

[My3Sons]

NJ has litle cap to play with and is unlikely to want to tie up any more future cap given the need to sign Luke Hughes and maybe Kovacevic after the season. If anything, NJ will look to shed cap after the season to make those signings more palatable. Until NJ has some idea of what Haula's health allows they won't know what sort of trade to make. Right now they'd maybe go dumpster diving if someone is a cheap upgrade over Dowling but that's about all I'd expect. Their first round pick for this season is tied up for Markstrom so I'm skeptical they offer up a future first for a rental and they don't likely have much wiggle room with the cap to add a player with term unless its a real bargain (like Cotter and Kovacevic making under $800k type bargains).

 

[HugeInTheShire]

The price was expected to be much higher by the majority of people. Not me of course, but by most people. Do you not remember the discussions in here about how much markstrom would cost? Certainly weren't saying Bahl+1st for retained markstrom


And have you looked at the cost of a goalie lately? It costs 5+ mill for a mackenzie f***ing blackwood.

You're telling me fans here overrated the value of a player??? No way!! LOL, of course they did. They are always are way off on values.

This was the actual cost of Blackwood.

Blackwood + Givani Smith and a fifth-round pick in the 2027 NHL entry draft, in exchange for Alexandar Georgiev, Nikolai Kovalenko, a 2025 conditional fifth-round pick and a second-round pick in the 2026 NHL entry draft. Not the 5+ million they decided to give him after the fact.

Fitz traded him away for a 6th.

 

[dgibb10]

He tried to go after the exact goalies he ended up getting, he paid exactly the price the other teams wanted him to. Granted he got favorable conditions on the pick in the Allen trade and retention on Markstrom which was a massive win. The fact that he needed goaltenders for well over a year is my problem.
This bottom 6 issue has been pretty glaring problem for a long time now and we haven't seen any sign of life from him at all.

You seem to be very impatient.

Fitzgerald knows the hole is there, has mentioned it multiple times, and will make a move when the value is right.

You seem to want to rush into a pretty sizable move, that doesn't make sense to do now based on cost, time of season, and the cap.

 

[TCB]

Coyle or Lindholm ?
Make an offer

 

[HugeInTheShire]

You seem to be very impatient.

Fitzgerald knows the hole is there, has mentioned it multiple times, and will make a move when the value is right.

You seem to want to rush into a pretty sizable move, that doesn't make sense to do now based on cost, time of season, and the cap.

I'm not looking for a sizable move, I've never once mentioned anything of the sort. I want a sign of life from the GM, this could be getting a 4th liner for a draft pick, claim someone on waivers. just do something that shows he's invested in this season.

Hell, like I said before I'd be satisfied if he put MacDermid, Bastian or Tatar on waivers as a wake up call.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

a pick in the 20s for Markstrom at his cap hit wasnt a huge price to pay, and I didnt even love the trade when it happened.

Bahl is irrelevant. He stinks.

 

[My3Sons]

a pick in the 20s for Markstrom at his cap hit wasnt a huge price to pay, and I didnt even love the trade when it happened.

Bahl is irrelevant. He stinks.

I don't think it's fair to completely write off Bahl. He's still young and as the old chestnut goes the big players take longer to mature their games. He's inconsistent and was rarely the physical force NJ wanted but if Calgary gives him a role like basic PK and third pair without demanding he routinely hit people he's probably fine especially at just over $1 mil.

 

[canuckslover10]

I think this would be more than Eichel returned.

I'd have to pass.

• Alex Tuch
• Peyton Krebs
• 2022 first-round pick (Noah Östlund)
• 2023 second-round pick (Riley Heidt)

That is what Vegas gave up, Eichel had neck issues and no one knew how he was going to recover thats why his value was not what it was supposed to be, ask yourself if Eichel was to get traded today what would he get in return? it would be a whole lot more than this.

As for the potential Miller trade Mercer isn't what he was thought to be, looks like he will top out as a 2nd line player, Nemec IMO has been passed by Casey in the depth chart and the Devils look solid on RD for at least 4-5 years, Tatar is cooked and only there for cap purposes, the 1st is in 2026 and is likely to be 26-32 range rarely does a pick amount to much at that range, and the second this year is most likely in the 56-64 range which is not much for a contending team like the Devils.

Trading for Miller for the devils makes a lot of sense and imo the price is reasonable, as for the Canucks it makes sense cause this sets us up well for the next 2-3 years we could finally have some solid D prospects in Nemec and Willander, and maybe flip the picks to get a couple of dmen.

 

[crackdown44]

I don't think it's fair to completely write off Bahl. He's still young and as the old chestnut goes the big players take longer to mature their games. He's inconsistent and was rarely the physical force NJ wanted but if Calgary gives him a role like basic PK and third pair without demanding he routinely hit people he's probably fine especially at just over $1 mil.

Yeah he’s been solid for the flames. But he wouldn’t be playing in Jersey given their left side and the devils have a plethora of good D prospects so it’s wise to use them to address their roster needs tbh

 

[Juxtaposer]

I want Granlund but I heard he is lacking defensively. This true? I would prefer someone who is a good at both ends of the ice . Backlund would be ideal but I can’t see the Flames trading their captain and longest tenured player.

Not at all. He's no Selke candidate obviously but he plays with a high energy and puts in the effort. He also PKs pretty well.

 

[canuckslover10]

Absolutely wild price for a 31 year old

31 is not old anymore players still can produce into their mid 30s just look at Tavares, Elite players can stay elite for a while and also the Price is not wild at all, this makes the Devils better now and the Canucks better later, for the devils only trading one valuable roster player in Mercer and getting back Miller is a steal the rest doesn't effect the Devils for attest 3-4 years. You have your top 2 RD spots filled and Casey has surpassed Nemec on the Depth chart, Mercer is replaced by Miller, and the 1st and second are valuable but do not help the Devils now and those picks are going to be late.

The price imo is fair and I were the devils I would easily do this trade considering the current window the devils are in.

 

[bossram]

The ideal 3C candidate is Yanni Gourde. Perfect fit at the 3C for NJ and a proven playoff style performer.

That deal would just have to wait until the deadline, for NJ to accrue cap space (and still require retention).