GDT: #39 | Flyers at Golden Knights | Thursday, January 2, 2025 | 10:00 PM | NBCSP+, 93.3 FM

[deadhead]

No it doesn't. The Flyers could keep TK, Farabee, Foerster, Michkov, Sanheim, and still suck ass by selling off everything that is irrelevant to Michkov's prime.

You whine and moan about how the team will be bad if they rebuild. Newsflash, theyre bad now. Bottom tier of the league. There is one way out and you don't want them to take it.

There is no right strategy? Ok. There are definitely wrong strategies. The Flyers' strategy has a 0.000% chance of working. Seems wrong. They should do something else.

Sell off what?
Tippett (25), Frost (25), Cates (25), Poehling (26), York (24), Zamula (24), Drysdale (22),
the only older players who are salable are Laughton and Risto.

So you'll completely strip the roster, accumulate a bunch of late 1st and 2nd rd picks who won't play until 2028 or 2029, and then Michkov forces his way out b/c he's sick of losing.

This strategy has no more chance of succeeding than the current strategy, but it will make the team unwatchable for 3-4 years.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Would be curious on the attendance numbers or home viewer data.

They will continue on this trajectory no matter the data to support otherwise.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Would be curious on the attendance numbers or home viewer data.

They will continue on this trajectory no matter the data to support otherwise.

No idea about legitimacy of numbers but…



Compared to last year:



I believe this to be tickets sold and not necessarily asses in seats.

 

[MJL66]

Sell off what?
Tippett (25), Frost (25), Cates (25), Poehling (26), York (24), Zamula (24), Drysdale (22),
the only older players who are salable are Laughton and Risto.

So you'll completely strip the roster, accumulate a bunch of late 1st and 2nd rd picks who won't play until 2028 or 2029, and then Michkov forces his way out b/c he's sick of losing.

This strategy has no more chance of succeeding than the current strategy, but it will make the team unwatchable for 3-4 years.

Yes, strip the roster. Listen on every current Flyers player not named Michkov. Michkov forcing his way out is a myth. Even if he does and he's that good of a player, trade him. They're unwatchable now and it's going to be longer than 28 or 29 if they keep doing what they've been doing. The watch is 14 years and counting as we speak. Every year they avoid doing what needs to be done, means it takes another year longer. You're seriously not getting it.

 

[renberg]

I believe this to be tickets sold and not necessarily asses in seats.

This is what should concern management. Asses in seats are potential buyers of tickets in the future or not. Services that purchase tickets is nice for the gate but on any given day but they don't build a fan base that provides revenue from other sources that day and going forward.

 

[KINGKENZO]

Yes, strip the roster. Listen on every current Flyers player not named Michkov. Michkov forcing his way out is a myth. Even if he does and he's that good of a player, trade him. They're unwatchable now and it's going to be longer than 28 or 29 if they keep doing what they've been doing. The watch is 14 years and counting as we speak. Every year they avoid doing what needs to be done, means it takes another year longer. You're seriously not getting it.

The US men's soccer team is closer to winning the World Cup than the Flyers are to winning the Stanley Cup

 

[Beef Invictus]

Sell off what?
Tippett (25), Frost (25), Cates (25), Poehling (26), York (24), Zamula (24), Drysdale (22),
the only older players who are salable are Laughton and Risto.

So you'll completely strip the roster, accumulate a bunch of late 1st and 2nd rd picks who won't play until 2028 or 2029, and then Michkov forces his way out b/c he's sick of losing.

This strategy has no more chance of succeeding than the current strategy, but it will make the team unwatchable for 3-4 years.

Thank you for the list of players to sell.

What's better, keeping them all like always and losing forever, or taking action that might someday cause winning?

Or put most simply, is winning good?

 

[TheKingPin]

Without a healthy Ersson, this team will be a lottery team and should chose to tank this year. Trade Frost, Laughton, Risto

 

[Flyerfan4life]

There is nothing exciting about watching this team play. Most games it's like watching paint dry. A conservative checking style with a pathetic PP.. They aren't competitive. They have the 2nd fewest regulation wins in the league. Meh, lets not tank and keep doing the same thing they've been doing for 14 years. Yea, that ought to get it done.

they live n breathe for the #culturecup win...

 

[deadhead]

Yes, strip the roster. Listen on every current Flyers player not named Michkov. Michkov forcing his way out is a myth. Even if he does and he's that good of a player, trade him. They're unwatchable now and it's going to be longer than 28 or 29 if they keep doing what they've been doing. The watch is 14 years and counting as we speak. Every year they avoid doing what needs to be done, means it takes another year longer. You're seriously not getting it.

I've noticed most people here admit they haven't actually watched them this season, they complain about something they haven't even seen.

They play an up tempo style, a lot more cross ice passing, aggressive forecheck but also more attempts at zone entry. D-men are aggressive pinching and attacking the weak side in the O-zone. Since the lines have stabilized, one of the top scoring teams in the NHL. And it's a lot more than Michkov, a team effort.

The STs are an adventure, as are the goalies. But that's not boring, just infuriating.

Far more exciting than the teams under Berube, Hakstol or AV.

 

[Lord Defect]

What the hell is a ST?

 

[kudymen]

most people

Thats bold.
Or hyperbole, in which case, rather useless claim.

 

[MJL66]

I've noticed most people here admit they haven't actually watched them this season, they complain about something they haven't even seen.

They play an up tempo style, a lot more cross ice passing, aggressive forecheck but also more attempts at zone entry. D-men are aggressive pinching and attacking the weak side in the O-zone. Since the lines have stabilized, one of the top scoring teams in the NHL. And it's a lot more than Michkov, a team effort.

The STs are an adventure, as are the goalies. But that's not boring, just infuriating.

Far more exciting than the teams under Berube, Hakstol or AV.

All of what you posted is false. Only a few people state they haven't watched much. They play a conservative defensive style under Tortorella. They're 4-6-0 in their last 10 games and have a .487 points percentage and a .493 points percentage overall under Tortorella. Under Berube, they had a .553 points percentage and went to the playoffs. Under Hakstol, a .560 points percentage and went to the playoffs twice. Under Vigneault, a .568 points percentage and went to the playoffs.
They play a boring ass conservative low zone collapse shot blocking system under Tortorella that isn't effective and is like watching paint dry. Very little offensive creativity shown strategically to get pumped up to watch. Neanderthal hockey from a dinosaur coach that the modern day NHL game has passed by him.

What the hell is a ST?

Special teams

 

[Lord Defect]

All of what you posted is false. Only a few people state they haven't watched much. They play a conservative defensive style under Tortorella. They're 4-6-0 in their last 10 games and have a .487 points percentage and a .493 points percentage overall under Tortorella. Under Berube, they had a .553 points percentage and went to the playoffs. Under Hakstol, a .560 points percentage and went to the playoffs twice. Under Vigneault, a .568 points percentage and went to the playoffs.
They play a boring ass conservative low zone collapse shot blocking system under Tortorella that isn't effective and is like watching paint dry. Very little offensive creativity shown strategically to get pumped up to watch.


Special teams

Thanks. Season Ticket was stuck in my head and I couldn’t get past it.

I think I’ve watched one game this year on tv and went to two. I was bored out of my mind the entire time. Failed passes left and right, struggling to enter the zone, slow puck movement. Nothing about this team is fun. Michkov has been invisible each game that I’ve seen.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I've noticed most people here admit they haven't actually watched them this season, they complain about something they haven't even seen.

They play an up tempo style, a lot more cross ice passing, aggressive forecheck but also more attempts at zone entry. D-men are aggressive pinching and attacking the weak side in the O-zone. Since the lines have stabilized, one of the top scoring teams in the NHL. And it's a lot more than Michkov, a team effort.

The STs are an adventure, as are the goalies. But that's not boring, just infuriating.

Far more exciting than the teams under Berube, Hakstol or AV.

A lot more cross ice passing?

Now I know you're either not actually watching or are deliberately lying.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

No idea about legitimacy of numbers but…



Compared to last year:



I believe this to be tickets sold and not necessarily asses in seats.

Correct. Those are tickets sold.

NBCSP local viewers average was up ~30% from 2022-23 to 2023-24. The Sports Business Journal always posts these at the end of the regular season. I’ll try to remember to link them this year. But you’re talking about ~90k-150k people depending on the year anymore. I believe the record for a game on NBCSP is still Bruins Game 7 at ~600k.

 

[MJL66]

A lot more cross ice passing?

Now I know you're either not actually watching or are deliberately lying.

Tortorella despises and actively coaches against cross ice passing. He recently benched York when a diagonal outlet got picked off leading to a goal against. If the pass had gotten through, it would've led to a 3 on 2 for the Flyers. Tortorella says he encourages risk taking then when a player takes a risk and it fails. He benches the player.

 

[deadhead]

That's not why York got benched.

Since the Brink line was put together, Flyers are 2nd in GF/60 at 5x5s.
They're dangerous in transition, much better in the cycle, and going to the net more.
They're even finishing at a league average rate now.

Are they winning? No. STs suck right now and the goalies are the league worst.

 

[freakydallas13]

You have to laugh about the "you're not out tanking the bottom teams in the leauge" as one of the reasons not to tear it down. It's so stupid.

The Flyers are tied for last in regulation wins. You hire a worse coach (Torts gets blood from a stone on bad rosters) and trade a few players instead of resign them, this is a contender for worst team in the league. Easy.

 

[deadhead]

You could move Farabee and Frost and they'd still end up with 70 points.
Getting below 60 requires major gutting.

 

[kudymen]

They're even finishing at a league average rate

That could be a nice banner one day

 

[Beef Invictus]

You could move Farabee and Frost and they'd still end up with 70 points.
Getting below 60 requires major gutting.

Cool. What are they waiting for? Big chunk of this roster will be obsolete or approaching it in Michkov's prime. Sell. Rebuild.

 

[Larry44]

Yes, his scoring rate is down but he is still able to limit shot attempts and scoring chances at a solid level. He still plays solidly defensively. His position is not wing and he should remain at center. He just needs to be moved to a secondary role.

That’s what ignore is for. Stop responding to the troll and it will go away.

 

[freakydallas13]

You could move Farabee and Frost and they'd still end up with 70 points.
Getting below 60 requires major gutting.

My guy, they are tied for least regulation wins in the league. With a coach who specializes is squeezing point out of bad rosters and getting loser points. And resigning absolutely everyone.

This team is a bad coach and a stiff breeze away from a being a bottom feeder.

 

[MJL66]

That's not why York got benched.

Since the Brink line was put together, Flyers are 2nd in GF/60 at 5x5s.
They're dangerous in transition, much better in the cycle, and going to the net more.
They're even finishing at a league average rate now.

Are they winning? No. STs suck right now and the goalies are the league worst.

Since yesterday, the Flyers are undefeated.