GDT: #36 | Flyers at Ducks | Saturday, December 28, 2024 | 4:00 PM | NBCSP, 97.5 FM

[Beef Invictus]

To the first paragraph, that's an assumption. We don't know how much pull Clarke has right now it's just your belief. Maybe right, maybe wrong, no factual proof either way.

To the second. When a team fails the negative people are "always right" and that's a self fulfilling prophecy. If they get good you'll just come up with an I told you so and they finally did it right thing. It's sports. That's how it always goes and it's not difficult to do.

To the last paragraph in no way do I "want you to disappear". I told you earlier you be whatever you want to be. I just said I think it must be a miserable way to be a fan to always look for the negative. You are most free to do that if it makes you happy. Enjoy.

I have some Buffalo fan friends and they are all rabid about the owner now. I think it's inevitable that over time if a team fails the blame goes higher and higher up the food chain until it lands at the very top, the owner. They don't have a Clarke or any senior hockey guy so it goes straight to the owner who sits in on meetings. I don't think Clarke does that. Isn't he in Florida relaxing?

It isn't an assumption. Holmgren is on record that he hired Fletcher because Clarke told him to.

The only time's I've ended up being dead wrong about this team was when I was enthusiastic or approving about what they did. Been right every other time. What does it say when the team is so badly managed that they can't prove a bunch of random internet dorks wrong routinely? And why are you so adamant that nobody should point out this massive and decade-long problem?

I am not miserable, thanks. The team is what it is. I'm not going to betray my life-long team all because you are sad about seeing the truth about them and wish I'd go somewhere else.

 

[Beef Invictus]

He was here in November. He was here when Fedotov came over. That's just what we know of.

Just like we are told that Holmgren doesn't do anything and yet he's there at the table for draft meetings.

They're still there.

Clarke was in front of the media bragging about how shitty Torts will be to players when he was hired. That's not what one expects of someone who isn't around and isn't involved.

 

[deadhead]

So why haven't the Flyers traded for a veteran center and goalie?
B/c we KNOW that's exactly what Holmgren and Clarke would do.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

wasnt there a video/photo of just last years draft discussion meeting and Clarke was sitting in on that f***ing meeting.

you think hes just there fir free coffee n donuts ?

hes as foundational as hes ever been..

 

[CerpinTaxt]

To the first paragraph, that's an assumption. We don't know how much pull Clarke has right now it's just your belief. Maybe right, maybe wrong, no factual proof either way.

To the second. When a team fails the negative people are "always right" and that's a self fulfilling prophecy. If they get good you'll just come up with an I told you so and they finally did it right thing. It's sports. That's how it always goes and it's not difficult to do.

To the last paragraph in no way do I "want you to disappear". I told you earlier you be whatever you want to be. I just said I think it must be a miserable way to be a fan to always look for the negative. You are most free to do that if it makes you happy. Enjoy.

I have some Buffalo fan friends and they are all rabid about the owner now. I think it's inevitable that over time if a team fails the blame goes higher and higher up the food chain until it lands at the very top, the owner. They don't have a Clarke or any senior hockey guy so it goes straight to the owner who sits in on meetings. I don't think Clarke does that. Isn't he in Florida relaxing?

What, my good man, is there to be positive about? Besides Michkov being on the team, what is there to be positive about. You keep saying we are all looking for things to be negative about so I would appreciate it if you could enlighten me on what the positives are.

 

[freakydallas13]

So why haven't the Flyers traded for a veteran center and goalie?
B/c we KNOW that's exactly what Holmgren and Clarke would do.

Why did they trade for a veteran defenceman?

 

[Beef Invictus]

So why haven't the Flyers traded for a veteran center and goalie?
B/c we KNOW that's exactly what Holmgren and Clarke would do.

No they wouldn't.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

What, my good man, is there to be positive about? Besides Michkov being on the team, what is there to be positive about. You keep saying we are all looking for things to be negative about so I would appreciate it if you could enlighten me on what the positives are.

im positive that nothing will change under the old bois watch...

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

wasnt there a video/photo of just last years draft discussion meeting and Clarke was sitting in on that f***ing meeting.

you think hes just there fir free coffee n donuts ?

hes as foundational as hes ever been..

That was Holmgren.

Clarke was in the building when Fedotov arrived.

 

[Boocowski]

He was here in November. He was here when Fedotov came over. That's just what we know of.

Just like we are told that Holmgren doesn't do anything and yet he's there at the table for draft meetings.

They're still there.

Ya Holmgren's around. idk what he does or doesn't do but he might have an influence.

Clarke has a Russia connection I think though. As much as you want to dump on him he might also be part of the reason we got Michkov early and maybe is even why Michkov wanted to be in Philly. All I know on that for sure is Clarke and Tretiak are friends and Tretiak runs the Russian Ice Hockey Federation. So maybe no Clarke, no Michkov.

It isn't an assumption. Holmgren is on record that he hired Fletcher because Clarke told him to.

The only time's I've ended up being dead wrong about this team was when I was enthusiastic or approving about what they did. Been right every other time. What does it say when the team is so badly managed that they can't prove a bunch of random internet dorks wrong routinely? And why are you so adamant that nobody should point out this massive and decade-long problem?

I am not miserable, thanks. The team is what it is. I'm not going to betray my life-long team all because you are sad about seeing the truth about them and wish I'd go somewhere else.

How many times do I have to say I'm not concerned about you staying or going? Please pay attention.
As to Fletcher yes, and he was a disaster, but that's done and gone. I'm only interested in Briere and Jones and what they do and I see improvement.

 

[Boocowski]

wasnt there a video/photo of just last years draft discussion meeting and Clarke was sitting in on that f***ing meeting.

you think hes just there fir free coffee n donuts ?

hes as foundational as hes ever been..

All I'm saying is we don't actually know what (if anything) that he does. Some of you think he pulls all the strings but I doubt that. He's old and probably doesn't want to work a whole lot so I would think he lets other people make the decisions.
Maybe in a draft they have 2 guys they like and they say Bobby which one do you like better and he picks one of them based on his whatever gut feelings or ? but I doubt he goes over the scouting lists and picks guys out or really does a whole lot of anything.
At his age I wouldn't. Would you?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Ya Holmgren's around. idk what he does or doesn't do but he might have an influence.

Clarke has a Russia connection I think though. As much as you want to dump on him he might also be part of the reason we got Michkov early and maybe is even why Michkov wanted to be in Philly. All I know on that for sure is Clarke and Tretiak are friends and Tretiak runs the Russian Ice Hockey Federation. So maybe no Clarke, no Michkov.


How many times do I have to say I'm not concerned about you staying or going? Please pay attention.
As to Fletcher yes, and he was a disaster, but that's done and gone. I'm only interested in Briere and Jones and what they do and I see improvement.

It isn't done and gone. The Fletcher regime-by-committee is still here. They removed Fletcher and nobody else. It's the same incompetent people minus one incompetent person. They didn't add any competence.

Every time someone whines "go get another teeeeaaammmm" it's solely because they don't like the truth.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

As expected @Boocowski, Mr positive, couldn't name anything positive about the team

 

[ybnvs]

Isn't he in Florida relaxing?

So why haven't the Flyers traded for a veteran center and goalie?
B/c we KNOW that's exactly what Holmgren and Clarke would do.

Because they're glued against the cap from all of Fletcher's mistakes, and, because Briere kinda sucks and isn't going to be creative enough to make a big splash given the circumstances he's in.





F the merging of posts.

 

[deadhead]

Because they're glued against the cap from all of Fletcher's mistakes, and, because Briere kinda sucks and isn't going to be creative enough to make a big splash given the circumstances he's in.

Except they aren't. They have a few million in cap room right now, and are projected to have $6M by the TDL. They also haven't utilized putting Ellis on LTIR which would free up millions more.

 

[ybnvs]

Dang, why did I not factor in the future cap relief that's not existent yet based upon theoretical moves or consider how f***ed they were to start the season because Ellis' caphit (and countless other players not on the team) counts when trying to sign players in the offseason?

 

[deadhead]

Dang, why did I not factor in the future cap relief that's not existent yet based upon theoretical moves or consider how f***ed they were to start the season because Ellis' caphit (and countless other players not on the team) counts when trying to sign players in the offseason?

Why would a rebuilding team be signing expensive free agents? That would be a Holmgren move.

Ellis' cap hit exists only b/c they didn't want to use the LTIR so they could accumulate cap room before the TDL to provide more flexibility. It has always been available if they desired to use it.

 

[mr figgles]

That was Holmgren.

Clarke was in the building when Fedotov arrived.

Clarke was out of frame grabbing a coffee.

 

[kudymen]

Why would a rebuilding team be signing expensive free agents? That would be a Holmgren move.

Why would a rebuilding team sign a Hathaway to a multiyear deal on the first day possible?
Rebuilding teams apparently make confusing moves

 

[Beef Invictus]

Why would a rebuilding team sign a Hathaway to a multiyear deal on the first day possible?

Or refuse to sell high on Seeler, or Laughton, and work as hard as they could up keep Walker

 

[kudymen]

Or refuse to sell high on Seeler, or Laughton, and work as hard as they could up keep Walker

[said here literally today] Because a rebuilding team needs to accumulate assets, and these players could at best be sold for... .... .... assets.... hmm..

...
wait

 

[deadhead]

Why would a rebuilding team sign a Hathaway to a multiyear deal on the first day possible?
Rebuilding teams apparently make confusing moves

Every rebuilding team patches with veterans to buy time for younger players to develop.
So is there a difference between signing Hathaway to a 2 year deal or a veteran FA?
Seeler was signed to caddy Drysdale. After next year, no NTC and he'll probably be dealt.

 

[kudymen]

So is there a difference between signing Hathaway to a 2 year deal or a veteran FA?

When literally stripping said Hathaway (with that "extension") from something that would appeal to a buyer at TDL that season?
Seriously?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Every rebuilding team patches with veterans to buy time for younger players to develop.
So is there a difference between signing Hathaway to a 2 year deal or a veteran FA?
Seeler was signed to caddy Drysdale. After next year, no NTC and he'll probably be dealt.

Seeler got 4 years and Danny really gets it. JVR got 5 and that rascally Hextall gave up too soon. And one cost them a draft pick to keep, I might add. No consistency whatsoever. If standards just stopped changing with the regimes, I would say nothing.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Every rebuilding team patches with veterans to buy time for younger players to develop.
So is there a difference between signing Hathaway to a 2 year deal or a veteran FA?
Seeler was signed to caddy Drysdale. After next year, no NTC and he'll probably be dealt.

This isn't a rebuilding team.