GDT: #32 | Flyers at Detroit | Wednesday, December 18, 2024 | 7:00 PM | TNT

[Flyerfan4life]

It says more than that and you know it. You are aware that a top 5 or even top 10 pick has a higher probability of success than a mid-round pick. You know this. You have written it, repeatedly, over many years.

There is no utility in holding onto a single asset that is not relevant to Michkov's prime years. Laughton, Seeler, Hathaway, Risto, possibly Cates, probably Tippett, all fit that category. You aren't going to magically acquire talent following your and the team's preferred path of Hextallianism: doing too little too slowly.

They need to be picking high, they need to be picking frequently. Both things. There is a single way to do that. You know this, too. It's an inevitable conclusion. The only reason you deny it is to defend the team. If they ever clear out management and do the inevitable, you'll instantly come around to the idea.

You need to stop and think about all the ridiculous things that have to be said in order to pretend this management's path is acceptable. And then ask if that's worth defending.

meanwhile Chi gladly heading to a top 1-3 pick again this year...

 

[Beef Invictus]

Last year 8-10 were 81 points, Buff 84, Flyers 87
Five worst teams 47, 52, 59, 66, 76
Year before, 8-10 were 80, 80. 81
Five worst teams 58, 59. 59, 60, 68


The odds really fall off after the 2nd rd, and are slim and none after pick 100 if you're looking for top 6/top 4 starters. If you want AAA plus types, that's another story.

If the Flyers can't scout and draft, tanking won't help unless they end up with #1 AND a clear cut franchise player on the board. Otherwise they'll just end up with Patrick or Kakko.

You're making an argument for selling everything and accepting the inevitable outcome of doing that.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Last year 8-10 were 81 points, Buff 84, Flyers 87
Five worst teams 47, 52, 59, 66, 76
Year before, 8-10 were 80, 80. 81
Five worst teams 58, 59. 59, 60, 68


The odds really fall off after the 2nd rd, and are slim and none after pick 100 if you're looking for top 6/top 4 starters. If you want AAA plus types, that's another story.

If the Flyers can't scout and draft, tanking won't help unless they end up with #1 AND a clear cut franchise player on the board. Otherwise they'll just end up with Patrick or Kakko.

Perfect. We agree. Or do you want to tell me about all the turnover, and bright new hires in either one of those departments.

It’s why the current plan is asinine.

 

[pooch]

Cant trust the Flyers to make good choices with mid to late first rd picks.

We could have:
Boldy/Caufield
Perreault
Buium

Instead we have:
York
Bonk
Luchanko

That hurts my brain(no issue with the Foerster pick).

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Ersson was not very good. He made a few nice stops, but at least two goals were ones he should have had.

Zamula thinks the game too slowly.

Am I imagining things, or has Sanheim's game declined since York has been back as his partner? What do the analytics show? He seems way less effective and less confident/aggressive in his playing since York has returned.

Tippett scored a great goal, nice to see the team at least keep fighting the whole game.

I don’t like York, and wish he was more often talked about as trade bait.

Partly because he just isn’t all that good. And partly because he was Carter Hart’s best friend and he shares the same frat boy look.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Cant trust the Flyers to make good choices with mid to late first rd picks.

We could have:
Boldy/Caufield
Perreault
Buium

Instead we have:
York
Bonk
Luchanko

That hurts my brain(no issue with the Foerster pick).

However you want to look at it, they f***ed the Gauthier pick, and subsequent trade.

Luchanko vs Buium
Caufield vs York

They need to excel in those kind of decisions. Take Michkov out of the picture, and the selection process still is clearly flawed.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

However you want to look at it, they f***ed the Gauthier pick, and subsequent trade.

Luchanko vs Buium
Caufield vs York

They need to excel in those kind of decisions. Take Michkov out of the picture, and the selection process still is clearly flawed.

dont white wash the ONLY reason we got MM was because MTL screwed their chance up.. otherwise instead of MM we take some meat n potatos Dman..

its like being given a winning lotto tix. it has nothing to do with ur process other then accepting it

 

[freakydallas13]

They're not rebuilding.

They're definitely not going to acquire any more high level talent, Briere said as much.

So you're basically telling me all the players taken after #5 suck?

So you're basically telling me your only move is to strawman?

 

[Beef Invictus]

They're definitely not going to acquire any more high level talent, Briere said as much.


So you're basically telling me your only move is to strawman?

Yeah true. They will still try to build from the 4th line and 3rd pair out.

Just because nobody has ever won doing that and never will, doesn't mean they won't keep this up for another decade.

 

[freakydallas13]

numerous players in the top 5 have flopped or been no better than those taken later in the 1st rd.

This logic is stupid.

 

[freakydallas13]

THEY HAVE A LEAGUE WORST SEVEN REGULATION WINS!

Congrats, you can survive until OT. Much success. Much praise.

Also, I can't help but chuckle at the "you should accumulate assets to improve your odds" and "you're basically telling me that players taken after #5 suck" when we've had this exact person handwave any picks after the second round as being completely and utterly useless.

Loser points for a loser team with a loser mentality.

It's fitting, really.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

They're definitely not going to acquire any more high level talent, Briere said as much.


So you're basically telling me your only move is to strawman?

I dunno, Gauthier isn't here anymore so that means there's still room for one more.

 

[flyersnorth]

13th overall picks. Sigh.

No hope in hell at a cup run, and not low enough to find true talent. Purgatory, and they so proudly sit in it.

The Mats Sundin era Leafs would be proud.

Honestly, the Sundin era was at least more effective in the playoffs.

Matthews is in his 9th season and the Leafs have been to the 2nd round once. Of course, they are playing really well this year, and you only need it happen once, but... seems like a whole lot of money spent on a whole lot of disappointment thus far.

The Flyers have the same number of 2nd round appearances over that period.

But I know what you mean - this franchise will never outright tank. I've accepted that. It also means that they make the path to a SC contender more difficult.

Even with Michkov and, say, another elite talent or two.... it will probably take them a decade to be the team we all want them to be.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I dunno, Gauthier isn't here anymore so that means there's still room for one more.

Replaced with Luchanko, who they hope will be a Super-Laughton and in their eyes that's vastly superior to the Skillboi they thought Gauthier would be.

I would bet money they determined that they need to avoid future Gauthier's because those skilly kinds can be divas, so it's better to draft grinders.

 

[freakydallas13]

I dunno, Gauthier isn't here anymore so that means there's still room for one more.

Only if he admits he traded one of his two elite talents for spare parts.

 

[flyersnorth]

"So you're saying every pick after number 5 is useless"

If you're the Flyers, yes.

I mean, the picks before #5 have also been useless. So they're just useless all around.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I dunno, Gauthier isn't here anymore so that means there's still room for one more.

cue Luchanko... #MeatnPotatos..