Post-Game Talk: #32 - 12/14/19 | RANGERS @ ducks | 4:00pm - MSG

[Tob]

always scares to hear Henrik say the team is playing good hockey when they were dominated for most parts of the game and only the top 3.5 players shows up to play each night.

 

[kovazub94]

I never seen a top6 player get as many chances as Buch gets... Vesey was close but he's not a top6... same results though

Did you forget Buchnevich going at a PPG pace. Now he’s probably close to high 50s low 60s and his contribution without a puck still significant.
When Vesey was ever anywhere close to this? Your anti-Buchnevich biased is very obvious in pretty much your every post.

 

[duhmetreE]

Did you forget Buchnevich going at a PPG pace. Now he’s probably close to high 50s low 60s and his contribution without a puck still significant.
When Vesey was ever anywhere close to this? Your anti-Buchnevich biased is very obvious in pretty much your every post.

? Buch is not a good finisher. The point of the post.

It seems that he always has prime opportunities but never cashes in. Like Vesey... It's an observation.

 

[CasusBelli]

I would just add that there’s no guarantee that simply a good goalie will get hot at the right time. Going cold on the other hand would almost guarantee to ruin anything good a team is capable of producing otherwise.

True dat.

 

[CasusBelli]

? Buch is not a good finisher. The point of the post.

It seems that he always has prime opportunities but never cashes in. Like Vesey... It's an observation.

Kreider too, albeit to a lesser extent, for that matter. CK just redeemed himself previous years because he was an effective power forward (he was never supposed to be a sniper or pure goal scorer).

 

[Deleted member 23124]

I get the feeling all the people that said they wanted a rebuild didnt really want one. In general they take about 4 or 5 years, we are a year and a half in and people are losing it because we play like a young team with holes in a lot of positions, go figure. Keep in mind we have the same points as the maple leafs right now and are a point ahead of Tampa. I'd say we are overachieving to be honest.

I'm sure there are a good number of people who felt the acquisitions of Trouba and Panarin meant the Rangers were a bona fide playoff contender.

 

[CasusBelli]

I would just add that there’s no guarantee that simply a good goalie will get hot at the right time. Going cold on the other hand would almost guarantee to ruin anything good a team is capable of producing otherwise.

Remember Patrick Lalime? Great regular season numbers. Horrible come playoff time and no one remembers him now. Can Ward? Got hot at the right time and won his team a cup in 2006. You’re spot on. Truly great goalies — those who excel during the regular season as well as playoffs (no point in having a great sprinter during the playoffs if he can’t run the marathon to get you there in the first place) — like Roy, Brodeur and Balfour are hard to find, to say the least.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Remember Patrick Lalime? Great regular season numbers. Horrible come playoff time and no one remembers him now. Can Ward? Got hot at the right time and won his team a cup in 2006. You’re spot on. Truly great goalies — those who excel during the regular season as well as playoffs (no point in having a great sprinter during the playoffs if he can’t run the marathon to get you there in the first place) — like Roy, Brodeur and Balfour are hard to find, to say the least.

Huh?

Lalime had a career 1.77 GAA and .926 SV% in the playoffs

 

[CasusBelli]

Huh?

Lalime had a career 1.77 GAA and .926 SV% in the playoffs

I just remember the wheels would come off when it really mattered (ie against the Leafs in 2003).

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

I just remember the wheels would come off when it really mattered (ie against the Leafs in 2003).

What's funny is people use that against Hank despite his good postseason numbers.

 

[CasusBelli]

What's funny is people use that against Hank despite his good postseason numbers.

We’re just spoiled when it comes to goaltending. Lundqvist, Talbot, Raanta, Georgiev. Not bad at all.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

On the other hand, those two teams are underachieving.

Yes and multiple years past their expected rebuild turnaround

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Talent beats coaching 99 out of 100 times.

Besides Trotz, which coaches have consistently had a positive impact?

Emile Francis.

 

[Maximus]

I'm sure there are a good number of people who felt the acquisitions of Trouba and Panarin meant the Rangers were a bona fide playoff contender.

I think it was not so much we were going to be a "bonafide playoff contender" after we brought Panarin and Trouba rather it was going to more of an accelerator to the rebuild.

I think most realistic fans in here and I consider myself part of this group, thought we could be a bubble team if everything went right. Now though not everything has gone right(ie..Kravtsov, Lias, Kreider) enough has gone well(Fox, Chytil,Bread,DeAngelo, Trouba,Georgie..etc) that tho we aren't on the playoff bubble as we speak, we are in the general vicinity.

Anyways, Panarin and Trouba weren't going to make us a playoff team at all. Just made us a better team than withought them.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

...Panarin and Trouba weren't going to make us a playoff team at all. Just made us a better team than withought them.

Exactly.

 

[effen]

always scares to hear Henrik say the team is playing good hockey when they were dominated for most parts of the game and only the top 3.5 players shows up to play each night.

Haven't you heard? Inconsistency now means almost every game the majority of the roster skates around like they're depressed and either refuses to engage or VERY half-heartedly engage in any sort of physicality or show drive. Then they get their heads beat in up and down the ice while HFNYR makes excuses. See? Inconsistent.

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[Shesterkybomb]

Panarin and Trouba basically made up for the loss of Hayes, Zuccarello and Pionk. Strome was a great add that wasnt necessarily expected to turn out so well.

 

[aufheben]

Talent beats coaching 99 out of 100 times.

Besides Trotz, which coaches have consistently had a positive impact?

I wish I could find the article, but someone did a statistical deep dive into ranking coaches and their effects on teams. I remember it was not nearly as strong as you might think...I wanna say the standing points gained were in like single digits.