Post-Game Talk: #31: FLYERS at Avalanche, Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2019, 9:30 pm ET

[Curufinwe]

Amazing that the two "dead weights" have at least as many ESP as Giroux.

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[Striiker]

The first was bad, the PP poor... but overall they were fine.

Im still in disbelief that these idiots REFUSE to try the one setup that’s worked for years and never stopped working.

Giroux on the LEFT
Ghost at the POINT
Jake on the RIGHT

Literally not one single game this year. It’s always been “correct spots but Provorov” or “with Ghost but in the wrong spots”. And they wonder why the PP hasn’t been working.

 

[Striiker]

Girouxs lack of points aren’t his fault at all. It’s been 1) the PP, 2) clearly broken lines that get left together for too long, or 3) teammates whiffing on chances. (Or a combination of those)

He’s been great individually with little to show for it. He’s still scoring goals and he’s still making beautiful passes, but if people don’t finish he gets no point.

Others may have more 5v5 points but they’re not outplaying him. Similar to another player on this team in an even worse situation.

 

[TheKingPin]

Pretty amazing on that crazy Hart save, Hart knew Rantanen and Jost were lefties and Landeskog would likely pass for a good one timer so he was guessing pass more than shot. He’s 21.

 

[TheKingPin]

Watched the game back as missed it last night due to other commitments...

I dont get all the hoo-ha over it.

They played a pretty even game vs one of the best teams in the league, play that game 10x over and the Flyers win like ~4-5 times. The first was bad, the PP poor... but overall they were fine.

I think for me it was more about this matchup with what looks to be the next Blackhawk dynasty level team maybe. Maybe. If you are trying to win a cup
You’ll have to beat them plus their two best dmen and next year another good one. What is needed to do that is important. As far as this year, it’s fine and we did ok. We will prob play better the next few months relative to the last few. Hopefully win a round or two. But I think we will need some bigger names, either future or present to make this whole thing even worthwhile. All that said, I think this D in a few years and Hart could win a cup no matter the forwards.

 

[Lotusflower]

this is where i get concerned if I am the flyers. How does this team get better? Before one could hang their hat on Frost and Farabee being called up. But they are up. There is no one to call up. This roster is not good enough and all those years of having the best prospects well they are all up now and we still aren't good enough. The only hope this team has is if Nolan Patrick comes back and becomes our number 1 center.

I dont disagree in principle, but there are still so many variables.
-Defense is still real young. The rebuild/retool took forever but people forget that
Provorov is looking like a star at 21. Sanheim I had hoped would have flashed more but im still high on him.
Their potential hasnt even been scratched.
-Hart looks legit so we're straight there.
-Forwards are the real issue. Couturier is just entering his prime so the 1C spot is pretty much locked down.
All the vets besides Giroux are underwhelming. JvR isnt a pigeon anymore, he's too fat. He's become an albatross.
Voracek is still solid but not elite. Hayes is overpaid depth basically.
-Konecny is the only one of the young forwards that really excites me.
Even if Patrick was healthy i dont think he's a star.
All the others seem more towards "good" than "great" on the spectrum but hockey development can be random.
-Trades will occur. Some guys will breeze past projections, some will fall short.

 

[flyerslducks]

To be fair, AV played the 12 healthy forwards and 6 healthy dmen he had available.

Stewart shouldn't be on the roster to start with.

i know but you still shouldn't have stewart out there with hagg against one of the fastest teams. Unacceptable really.

 

[TCTC]

Stewart had a decent game. He almost tied the game for us in the 1st period.

 

[Jtown]

I dont disagree in principle, but there are still so many variables.
-Defense is still real young. The rebuild/retool took forever but people forget that
Provorov is looking like a star at 21. Sanheim I had hoped would have flashed more but im still high on him.
Their potential hasnt even been scratched.
-Hart looks legit so we're straight there.
-Forwards are the real issue. Couturier is just entering his prime so the 1C spot is pretty much locked down.
All the vets besides Giroux are underwhelming. JvR isnt a pigeon anymore, he's too fat. He's become an albatross.
Voracek is still solid but not elite. Hayes is overpaid depth basically.
-Konecny is the only one of the young forwards that really excites me.
Even if Patrick was healthy i dont think he's a star.
All the others seem more towards "good" than "great" on the spectrum but hockey development can be random.
-Trades will occur. Some guys will breeze past projections, some will fall short.

provy is looking like a stud. You're right with Sanheim, still a good dman but obviously I think we were all hoping for more.

Forwards are the real issues specifically Giroux and Coots. Both these guys are are our two best all around forwards. Both are advanced stat kings. Both are pacing for 60 point seasons. That is f***ing pathetic.

This forward group is not good enough right now.

 

[flyerslducks]

I think for me it was more about this matchup with what looks to be the next Blackhawk dynasty level team maybe. Maybe. If you are trying to win a cup
You’ll have to beat them plus their two best dmen and next year another good one. What is needed to do that is important. As far as this year, it’s fine and we did ok. We will prob play better the next few months relative to the last few. Hopefully win a round or two. But I think we will need some bigger names, either future or present to make this whole thing even worthwhile. All that said, I think this D in a few years and Hart could win a cup no matter the forwards.

i think we need some faster players that can raelly jell in AV's system. It was apparent last night that we are much slower and that the AVs are on another lever and they didn't have makar. True we didn't have tk, lindblom, raffl, and myers but we still need another speedster. JVR, in my opinion, was a terrible signing. I just don't think he was a great add when you have voraceks contract and then added hayes. I can live with just two. I really like our chances these next two years but we need another piece. We were all hoping that patrick would elevate his play and were actually lucky that his injury led to frost AND farabee staying with the team.

 

[Lotusflower]

provy is looking like a stud. You're right with Sanheim, still a good dman but obviously I think we were all hoping for more.

Forwards are the real issues specifically Giroux and Coots. Both these guys are are our two best all around forwards. Both are advanced stat kings. Both are pacing for 60 point seasons. That is ****ing pathetic.

This forward group is not good enough right now.

If O'Rielly can lead the Blues to the Cup, Couts can do it for the Flyers.
Konecny is a PPG star and can carry a lot of the top end load scoring wise.
G always kind of slow plays the 1st half of the season. I expect he'll really start to heat up in January like usual.

 

[TCTC]

provy is looking like a stud. You're right with Sanheim, still a good dman but obviously I think we were all hoping for more.

Forwards are the real issues specifically Giroux and Coots. Both these guys are are our two best all around forwards. Both are advanced stat kings. Both are pacing for 60 point seasons. That is ****ing pathetic.

This forward group is not good enough right now.

I think we have the depth to beat any team in the league. But we don't have that elite scorer right now.

In 2014 AV made the Stanley Cup Final with a Rangers team that didn't have one player with more than 59 points in the regular season. But they had depth scoring.

 

[Lotusflower]

What I wouldnt give for one of Laf/Byfield.

 

[flyersnorth]

I think we have the depth to beat any team in the league. But we don't have that elite scorer right now.

In 2014 AV made the Stanley Cup Final with a Rangers team that didn't have one player with more than 59 points in the regular season. But they had depth scoring.

St Louis' top 4 last year had 77, 68, 54, 46 points. So far this year, it's 30, 27, 25, 22.

Flyers' top 4 last year had 85, 76, 66, 49. So far this year we have 28, 23, 22, 22.

Now obviously, there's a lot more to it than just points, but in the end, STL was able to win with what they had. Meanwhile, TB couldn't get out of the first round on the heels of a historical season with THREE 40-goal scorers.

 

[TheKingPin]

i think we need some faster players that can raelly jell in AV's system. It was apparent last night that we are much slower and that the AVs are on another lever and they didn't have makar. True we didn't have tk, lindblom, raffl, and myers but we still need another speedster. JVR, in my opinion, was a terrible signing. I just don't think he was a great add when you have voraceks contract and then added hayes. I can live with just two. I really like our chances these next two years but we need another piece. We were all hoping that patrick would elevate his play and were actually lucky that his injury led to frost AND farabee staying with the team.

Yea it’s tough when some of your best players are Couts, G, and Lindblom. Not exactly burners. Frost and Farabee aren’t crazy fast or anything either. I think you could just add one guy that helps a lot but we can play a lot faster if we can complete passes better and move to get open to have more 2-1s down low and on rushes like the avs.

 

[flyerslducks]

provy is looking like a stud. You're right with Sanheim, still a good dman but obviously I think we were all hoping for more.

Forwards are the real issues specifically Giroux and Coots. Both these guys are are our two best all around forwards. Both are advanced stat kings. Both are pacing for 60 point seasons. That is ****ing pathetic.

This forward group is not good enough right now.

this is the issue and if it is not good right now it will be awful once g/voracek aren't here. Right now, we will be in the hunt for the next 2 years. Thats two possibly low 1st round picks coming. We have no star prospect in the system, patrick is a ?, and we don't know how farabee/frost will be. Our defense and goalies will be great. We might be in a predators situation soon so hopefully it shouldn't be too bad. I think they should try to go all in these next two years while they can. I just don't know how they can acquire that next forward to get them a competitive advantage. If we can't find one, I say we dangle JVR for a high pick and a speedy depth player for the 4th line. Free up cap space, get a future pick, and get a player that can won't hinder the bottom 6 too much. idk lol

 

[flyerslducks]

Yea it’s tough when some of your best players are Couts, G, and Lindblom. Not exactly burners. Frost and Farabee aren’t crazy fast or anything either. I think you could just add one guy that helps a lot but we can play a lot faster if we can complete passes better and move to get open to have more 2-1s down low and on rushes like the avs.

ya. I mean we are much faster when tk, raffl, lindlom, and myers are in. Only tk is the burner in that group but the rest are great skaters and make us faster. Even with them I would still love to add an ehlers or somehting.

 

[TCTC]

St Louis' top 4 last year had 77, 68, 54, 46 points. So far this year, it's 30, 27, 25, 22.

Flyers' top 4 last year had 85, 76, 66, 49. So far this year we have 28, 23, 22, 22.

Now obviously, there's a lot more to it than just points, but in the end, STL was able to win with what they had. Meanwhile, TB couldn't get out of the first round on the heels of a historical season with THREE 40-goal scorers.

Yeah, especially in the playoffs depth is more important than having a couple PPG players because every line has to be productive.
That Blues 4th line last year was fantastic.

 

[deadhead]

Last thing the Flyers should do is mortgage the future to make a run the next two years.

Couts (27), Hayes (27), Laughton (25), Lindblom (23), TK (22), [Patrick (22)], Frost (20), Farabee (19), Brink (18), Rubtsov (21), Kase (21), Vorobyev (22), . . .
Provorov (22), Sanheim (23), Myers (22), Friedman (22), Kalynuk (22), Wylie (20), Zamula (19), York (18)
Hart (21).

You give this group a couple years to grow up and keep any veteran who hasn't fallen off the cliff.

 

[Striiker]

i know but you still shouldn't have stewart out there with hagg against one of the fastest teams. Unacceptable really.

Exactly. If they do the correct thing months ago then these aren't our only healthy guys.

There's zero excuse for Stewart or Hagg to ever play, since Fletcher shouldn't have had either of them on the roster to begin with.

This is 100% on him.

 

[TCTC]

Last thing the Flyers should do is mortgage the future to make a run the next two years.

Couts (27), Hayes (27), Laughton (25), Lindblom (23), TK (22), [Patrick (22)], Frost (20), Farabee (19), Brink (18), Rubtsov (21), Kase (21), Vorobyev (22), . . .
Provorov (22), Sanheim (23), Myers (22), Friedman (22), Kalynuk (22), Wylie (20), Zamula (19), York (18)
Hart (21).

You give this group a couple years to grow up and keep any veteran who hasn't fallen off the cliff.

We had 10 1st round picks over the last 6 years. I think we're in a position to make a win now move if the opportunity presents itself and they feel it's the right player.

It can be the right move. The Kings wouldn't have won their 2nd Cup without Gaborik.

 

[Lindberg]

This team could be a lot better off if they could get the power play actually going. Unfortunate that Patrick isn't playing, would be a great addition for free at this point.

 

[Striiker]

Fixing the PP would be incredibly easy, even with only the players we currently have.

They're choosing to not do it. They refuse to do it. They're doing everything other than what is indisputably the best option.
That's why the can't be trusted as coaches. If they can't get literally the easiest decision ever right...

Just put it together and don't touch it again. Even if it doesn't work immediately, it always works again eventually. Every. Single. Year. It hasn’t been figured out or countered or any other nonsense.

 

[BernieParent]

Bernie the poster rules, too.

Your monthly cheque is in the mail.

 

[Curufinwe]

This team could be a lot better off if they could get the power play actually going. Unfortunate that Patrick isn't playing, would be a great addition for free at this point.

They could miss the playoffs if they can't get the PP functioning.