GDT: #31 ⋅ COL @ ANA ⋅ 7:00 PM PST

[Hockey Duckie]

If Verbeek isn’t going to trade Gibby, we need to go back to giving Dostal the majority of starts. This is still a development year and he needs to play 50+ games to see how he handles it. Giving Gibby the majority of starts accomplishes nothing for this team’s future.

After the Ducks abused Dostal to start the season, playing 11 games out of 13 in less than a month's time, the org decided to give Dostal extra rest by giving Gibby back-to-back starts on three ocassions. Dostal had a terrible 3-game skid at the end of that 11 game set to start the season. Those three game productions were 0.862 Sv% and 4.10 GAA against Chicago, 0.865 Sv% and 5.00 GAA versus Vancouver, as well as 0.839 Sv% and 5.01 GAA facing Minnesota. Dostal needed the break or he would have been broken.

Anaheim has alternated starts between Dostal and Gibby since the start of the December. If they remain on this schedule, then Dostal will get 44 games. Gibby usually gets tweaked as the season goes on and we should see Dostal get even more starts. Dostal played 44 games last year. A huge chunk of that was due to Gibby being injured in the second half of the season; Dostal played in 22 out of the 32 games to close out the season. Of those 22 games, Dostal posted under 0.900 Sv% 13 times. That isn't great production when looking at it from a game by game basis than total.

So far this season, here is our goalie games played breakdown:

Dostal: 18 games
Gibby: 11 games
Reimer: 2 games

I don't mind the 1a and 1b tandem. We know Dostal is the future, but we also don't have to run him ragged this young.

 

[DavidBL]

Our PP woes really hurt when you hear Laine has 7 ppgs in 8 games.

 

[Hey234]

Our PP woes really hurt when you hear Laine has 7 ppgs in 8 games.

I always find it funny when some complain about going after guys like Stamkos because the are "PP specialists.' A game like last night, where a PP goal could have changed the whole dynamic, is where a PP specialist would really tip the scale. They desperately need a proven goal scorer.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Our PP woes really hurt when you hear Laine has 7 ppgs in 8 games.

Its crazy when you think about it....

Laine + 2nd
for
Hinds/Vaak/Helleson type prospect.

and we said ehhhh

 

[Sean Garrity]

Its crazy when you think about it....

Laine + 2nd
for
Hinds/Vaak/Helleson type prospect.

and we said ehhhh

Do we actually know that was the case?

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I don't mind the 1a and 1b tandem. We know Dostal is the future, but we also don't have to run him ragged this young.

Nobody is asking to run Dostal ragged. Since Gibby returned he has gotten the majority of the starts for reasons we can only speculate. But it needs to stop now. Dostal should be getting 2/3 of the starts going forward, IMO.

 

[DavidBL]

Its crazy when you think about it....

Laine + 2nd
for
Hinds/Vaak/Helleson type prospect.

and we said ehehhhh

To be fair, we may have made a pitch and Laine chose Mtl, he did have trade protection and was rumored to have vetoed a differe t trade. Cant remember where.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Nobody is asking to run Dostal ragged. Since Gibby returned he has gotten the majority of the starts for reasons we can only speculate. But it needs to stop now. Dostal should be getting 2/3 of the starts going forward, IMO.

I just shared with you that Dostal closed out last season's 32 games 2/3's of the games played and he struggled in 13 of those games by posting up a Sv% under 0.900. That is almost 60% of the time that Dostal put up under 0.900 Sv %. I also shared that Dostal played 11 of our 13 games to start the season and Dostal suffered for three consecutive games b/c Cronin didn't trust Reimer. Those are two evidences of Cronin running Dostal ragged between two seasons.

Also, in the same post, I told you that Dostal and Gibby have been alternating starts near the beginning of December. I like this routine better. When Gibby returned from injury, he went 4-0-1 (9 pts). In that same span of games, Dostal went 1-2-0 (2 pts). I guess Cronin was trying to ride the hot hand and, in doing so, also overworked Gibby as Cronin rode Gibby for six games to Dostal's two games in that game set. Having a 1a and 1b rotation looks the best for me for the time being. This will help Dostal develop that stamina for high end consistency when we do move on from Gibby.

We currently have no other goalies worthwhile in our system at the moment. We have no idea if Suchanek can regain his high level play next season because has been ruled out for the season due to injury/surgery. Clang is barely below 0.900 in 17 AHL games, Buteyets is barely below 0.900 in 15 ECHL games, and Clara hit a snag in the SHL with a 0.867 Sv%, which is down from his 0.913 Sv% from last season. Reimer is better than all those options and Cronin still didn't trust Reimer!

I don't comprehend the impatience for Dostal, but I do agree that Gibby should not be the lone starter and Dostal the backup.

Here's the Goalie to Game breakdown so you can visually see everything I just shared with you.

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

Our PP woes really hurt when you hear Laine has 7 ppgs in 8 games.

Except our PP woes would mean that Laine would not have 7ppgs in 8 games with us.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Nobody is asking to run Dostal ragged. Since Gibby returned he has gotten the majority of the starts for reasons we can only speculate. But it needs to stop now. Dostal should be getting 2/3 of the starts going forward, IMO.

Dostal played 6 games in November. Gibson played 6 games in November. Gibson has played 5 games in December. Assuming Dostal starts tomorrow, Dostal will have played 5 games in December.

Dostal got a short break because he was being overplayed. They’re being evened out now.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Dostal played 6 games in November. Gibson played 6 games in November. Gibson has played 5 games in December. Assuming Dostal starts tomorrow, Dostal will have played 5 games in December.

Dostal got a short break because he was being overplayed. They’re being evened out now.

I think most of us are arguing dostal should be getting like 7/12 and 6/10 in those months.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I think most of us are arguing dostal should be getting like 7/12 and 6/10 in those months.

There’s really no justification for him getting any more games in November than he got, and he’s just been a little less bad than Gibson in December. He’s certainly not putting up the kind of stats that say “sit the other guy, I got this”.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

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There’s really no justification for him getting any more games in November than he got, and he’s just been a little less bad than Gibson in December. He’s certainly not putting up the kind of stats that say “sit the other guy, I got this”.

The justification is we want to get him used to being more of a #1

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Dostal played 6 games in November. Gibson played 6 games in November. Gibson has played 5 games in December. Assuming Dostal starts tomorrow, Dostal will have played 5 games in December.

Dostal got a short break because he was being overplayed. They’re being evened out now.

I would make the case that they shouldn't be split 50/50. We're not competing for anything this year.

I'm not suggesting that they play Dostal numerous games in a row but with proper balance he should be getting the majority of the work. That's part of the process of developing him. If he struggles and has problems we need to know that now and properly work with him to overcome any identified deficiencies. (And for the record that wouldn't involve Cronin in any way, shape or form. We have a goaltender coach and a goaltender director of development. Those two guys should be calling the shots as to Dostal's usage/development.)

Dostal is the goaltending priority on this team now. Gibson's only value is to be available as needed in support of Dostal's development.

 

[Ducks DVM]

The justification is we want to get him used to being more of a #1

He has backup numbers from November on. He’s on pace for mid-40’s in games. Let him play better than a backup before he gets more games than a backup.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I would make the case that they shouldn't be split 50/50. We're not competing for anything this year.

I'm not suggesting that they play Dostal numerous games in a row but with proper balance he should be getting the majority of the work. That's part of the process of developing him. If he struggles and has problems we need to know that now and properly work with him to overcome any identified deficiencies. (And for the record that wouldn't involve Cronin in any way, shape or form. We have a goaltender coach and a goaltender director of development. Those two guys should be calling the shots as to Dostal's usage/development.)

Dostal is the goaltending priority on this team now. Gibson's only value is to be available as needed in support of Dostal's development.

He has a .907 SV% in December. His play falls off when he gets a lot of games. Him being sub-.900 is not good for his development.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

He has a .907 SV% in December. His play falls off when he gets a lot of games. Him being sub-.900 is not good for his development.

Isn’t the league average 900?

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

He has a .907 SV% in December. His play falls off when he gets a lot of games. Him being sub-.900 is not good for his development.

If we applied the equivalent yardstick to our skaters we wouldn't have enough players to ice an NHL team 82 times a year.

 

[Leonardo87]

They robbed Leo of an assist on that Killorn goal. Never saw the Colorado player gain control. It’s unreal. Here people complain about his lack of production ,and are raking on a 19 yo who is recovering from a concussion .

Some of you have been way too critical because he is not producing or has not looked 100% or is not producing like a Celebrini. Not everyone is going to break out immediately. Look at guys like Barkov and even Hughes. Leo has put up more production through his first full season of games than them, and he is on a much shittier team than those guys were at the time.

What more do you people want???? Who other than Terry is actually producing on this putrid team coached by a clueless coach. Leo and Killorn have no chemistry at all. Leo had chemistry with Terry, Zegras, and even Cutter. If Cutter was not snake-bitten in the beginning of the season, Leo could easily be 2nd on the team in points with less games played.

The Dump and chase does not fit Leo’s game, especially when Killorn is still in the F’ing neutral zone because he is so F’ing slow. Notice when they carry over the puck, Leo gets more space and is more dangerous and that is what led to the Killorn goal yet, the NHL deemed that only Minty should get an assist due to possession, there was no possession by the Avs player. It went off their leg, or body. Never actually gained control.

Cronin is killing these kids and needs to be fired. Then some of you bring up Celebrini and/or Michkov. You think they would produce like they are now, if under Cronin??????

That’s all I got…

#FireCronin.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Isn’t the league average 900?

He’s 28th in SV% in December. Barely above league average (which includes the backups), when he’s not had a quality start with less that 3 days between games since October, does not to me scream “force feed the kid more games”.

Goalies losing confidence is a thing. I 100% trust the goalie coaches over these boards on how he should best be handled.

 

[Ducks DVM]

If we applied the equivalent yardstick to our skaters we wouldn't have enough players to ice an NHL team 82 times a year.

Many games it has been debatable that we did. I’d put Eakins’ entire last year into that category. It doesn’t mean that I want to see Johnston get 2nd line minutes. Less facetiously, I was a vocal proponent for dialing back the minutes Mintyukov was getting after they were increased and his play fell off. I don’t believe in overplaying young players because of some arbitrary concept that they need as many minutes as possible to develop.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Many games it has been debatable that we did. I’d put Eakins’ entire last year into that category. It doesn’t mean that I want to see Johnston get 2nd line minutes. Less facetiously, I was a vocal proponent for dialing back the minutes Mintyukov was getting after they were increased and his play fell off. I don’t believe in overplaying young players because of some arbitrary concept that they need as many minutes as possible to develop.

Well not every player should be “developed” exactly the same way. But the point I was trying to make was that young players will always make mistakes. At some point it’s too much and you send them to the minors or the press box. But unless you send them to the A you have to accept that while they develop their play (eye test) and their numbers won’t always be as good as you would like. But you play them anyway while you work with them to reduce the errors.

It’s unrealistic to keep sitting a guy until his numbers make him look like a high end seasoned vet. Unfortunately with goalies (unlike skaters) you can’t just increase or decrease their minutes every game as needed. I’m going off the top of my head here but I think Dostal has played enough NHL games to warrant trusting him with more games even if there are some stinkers along the way, provided it’s managements intent to make him a legit #1.

If we were legitimately a playoff team with lofty aspirations I could see perhaps going with a 1a/1b setup to try and win. As a team going nowhere, I believe when you have a guy who has proven what Dostal already has you loosen the leash and let him run. You will be better off for it down the road when it matters most.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Well not every player should be “developed” exactly the same way. But the point I was trying to make was that young players will always make mistakes. At some point it’s too much and you send them to the minors or the press box. But unless you send them to the A you have to accept that while they develop their play (eye test) and their numbers won’t always be as good as you would like. But you play them anyway while you work with them to reduce the errors.

It’s unrealistic to keep sitting a guy until his numbers make him look like a high end seasoned vet. Unfortunately with goalies (unlike skaters) you can’t just increase or decrease their minutes every game as needed. I’m going off the top of my head here but I think Dostal has played enough NHL games to warrant trusting him with more games even if there are some stinkers along the way, provided it’s managements intent to make him a legit #1.

If we were legitimately a playoff team with lofty aspirations I could see perhaps going with a 1a/1b setup to try and win. As a team going nowhere, I believe when you have a guy who has proven what Dostal already has you loosen the leash and let him run. You will be better off for it down the road when it matters most.

Or maybe you get Jim Carey.

I don’t know what people think he’s proven. He’s shown he can be outstanding in games, and he’s shown that his SV%’s drop into the .800’s when he plays too much. He’s played 85 games with a career .906. Which is where he’s been since the start of November. Look at the stats I posted above - he’s been mediocre to poor more than he’s been good to great over that span.

I will trust the goalie coaches to know what’s best for goalie development. I think we confuse our wants with the players needs around here.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Or maybe you get Jim Carey.

I don’t know what people think he’s proven. He’s shown he can be outstanding in games, and he’s shown that his SV%’s drop into the .800’s when he plays too much. He’s played 85 games with a career .906. Which is where he’s been since the start of November. Look at the stats I posted above - he’s been mediocre to poor more than he’s been good to great over that span.

I will trust the goalie coaches to know what’s best for goalie development. I think we confuse our wants with the players needs around here.

I trust the goalie coaches too. But my money says they aren’t making the call as to who gets how many starts. I’ll bet you all of Henry’s money The Beeker has dipped his Beek in that decision too. And if not, Cronin is.

I’m sick of how this team is run.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Or maybe you get Jim Carey.

I don’t know what people think he’s proven. He’s shown he can be outstanding in games, and he’s shown that his SV%’s drop into the .800’s when he plays too much. He’s played 85 games with a career .906. Which is where he’s been since the start of November. Look at the stats I posted above - he’s been mediocre to poor more than he’s been good to great over that span.

I will trust the goalie coaches to know what’s best for goalie development. I think we confuse our wants with the players needs around here.

We're saying similar things and shared the same stats. I even colored coded mine between goalies as well as gradual color coding from good (green) to mediocre (red) in my Goalie per Game breakdown. It's all there made to identify easily. Although, I didn't even think of the month split breakdown. I can share what ESPN shows for that for Dostal.

The overall stat looks great due to a hot October, but that hot October wore Dostal down going into Nov. He is far away from that October start. I think most people see the total average Sv% of 0.920 and not realized how skewed it is.