30 years without a cup for Canadian teams: why?

[Mr Kot]

Top 3 are poor management, drafting/development, and just plain bad luck. Canadian teams aren't the only ones who have had long streaks of no winning, there are plenty of bad American teams as well. It's just terrible choices in management overall.

 

[leafsfan2point0]

Where is the Bettman option? Doesn’t take much to put together. Ever since he came in, his mandate has been about “Growing the game in the States”

 

[dalewood12]

The teams are always looking for quick-fixes to appease a demanding fan base.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

No one wants to come play in Canada. Not a new problem.

 

[J bo Jeans]

Calgary was literally robbed against Tampa. Still one of the biggest travesties in NHL history.

 

[Byron Bitz]

I blame Vancouver not even showing up to game 7 of the cup final. It was such a terrible performance that their fans burned the city to the ground.

 

[Caps8112]

mixture of things and mostly bad luck when you look at them as a whole. but when you look at them individually you see other problems.
Toronto only recently did the rebuild for younger players with Matthew and Marner but they were incompetent for a long time building around the wrong players and paying for over priced UFAs.
Edmonton had 4 number 1s and a 3rd overall in 6 years and hit on 2.5 of them with RNH being a disappointment until last year. Oilers managements has failed at every other aspect of doing anything since 2006.
Montreal also refused to rebuild in the early 2000s with bubble teams and pretty much said screw it we will see if Price can win us a cup by himself for 15 years. They got hot in 21 but you were delusional if you thought they had a shot against the lightning. I wanted Price to win tho.
Canucks and Flames have been a disaster since losing their game 7s in the finals with incompetent management.
Sens did a decent rebuild in the Karlsson era and screwed it all up and were mostly a disaster since the 07 run.
Not sure the Jets get to be shit on too bad yet only being around 11 or 12 years and having to rebuild to start with cause of the Atlanta Disastrous management.

so mostly putrid management and bad luck imo

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I have zero doubt that if Ottawa kept all their best players post lock-out or at least kept Hossa+Chara instead of having Heatley+Redden they would have won many cups.

 

[Caps8112]

I have zero doubt that if Ottawa kept all their best players post lock-out or at least kept Hossa+Chara instead of having Heatley+Redden they would have won many cups.

obviously your changing which teams would be where in this scenario but say all the opponents in the finals would stay the same. Who would the Hossa/Chara Sens beat in the finals post lockout?

 

[JeffreyLFC]

obviously your changing which teams would be where in this scenario but say all the opponents in the finals would stay the same. Who would the Hossa/Chara Sens beat in the finals post lockout?

Every team, they had the most depth and they had a complete team from two way players to depth to physicality.

 

[Mr Positive]

Luck

I'd say that pre cap there was a bigger disadvantage against Canadian markets. A team like Toronto or Montreal could weather that but if it's just two teams then the odds are just too stilted.

Since the cap, I'd say there is a more equal footing. I'd say it's just bad luck in that case since four of them have made the finals since then

The other thing pushing the odds is that it's not like the cups have all been one-offs. All it takes is a few mini dynasties and that eats up more of the chances.

Random chance is like that. It doesn't follow that if all else is equal, that Canadian teams make up 1/4 of the teams or whatever, so they will get 5 cups in 20 years.

 

[Caps8112]

Every team, they had the most depth and they had a complete team from two way players to depth to physicality.

well just looking at the year the sens made the finals for example Hossa and heatley had similar regular season numbers but Hossa had 1 assist in 4 playoff games and heatley had 22 pts in 20 playoff games. Chara had a slightly better regular season then Redden and is the better defensemen but not sure It gets the sens past the Ducks that year. Bruins missed the playoffs that year

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Bad management , canadians crying about anything else than poor decision making from up top are out to lunch. Build a competitive team stop crying. Refusal to rebuild is another good one , the only two relevant canadian teams with a chance right now are only relevant because they tanked HARD and got superstars , something most Canadian owners continually refuse to do , they rather play for 8th spot in the east or west and have a little trickle of first round revenue than tank.

 

[I am not exposed]

Bad luck (we have multiple chances and lost them all) mixed with economic and weather issues.

Economic = higher tax rates for the games played at home. Teams then have to sign players for slightly more money.

Weather = do you want snow or a beach?

Either way, we should have won at least one of the chances. Bad luck is #1

Snow.

I hate the sand.

 

[DFC]

IMO its because up until very recently, there's been too much pressure to "win now," and not nearly enough appetite for tanking. Tanking is a necessary evil in the salary cap era, and Canadian teams are just now starting to accept it. But they needed 20ish years in the mediocre wilderness first.

 

[daver]

Which country proudly identifies with maple syrup and which country doesn't?

There's your answer.

 

[TageGod]

8/32 of teams Canadian. Statistically only two make the playoffs so 25% of Canadian teams make playoffs. That is a 12.5% chance (2/16) to win a cup. So every 8 years a Canadian team should have a cup which lands us on 3-4 cups.

 

[daver]

It is kind of crazy that since 93/94, eleven teams out of twenty-six have not won the Cup and seven of those are Canadian.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

too much "win now" pressure causing bad management decisions.

for example, Toronto threw a wrench in their own process by making the unnecessary splash move to sign Tavares. His $11m would go a long way to fixing that defense and goaltending the past few years

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

too much "win now" pressure causing bad management decisions.

for example, Toronto threw a wrench in their own process by making the unnecessary splash move to sign Tavares. His $11m would go a long way to fixing that defense and goaltending the past few years

Right but you still need to give credit to Toronto for actually going scorched earth , something for example Montreal refused to do because of CP31 for 10 years , you see a similar situation in Calgary and Winnipeg right now where they probably need to blow it up if they ever want to win a cup but they won't

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Right but you still need to give credit to Toronto for actually going scorched earth , something for example Montreal refused to do because of CP31 for 10 years , you see a similar situation in Calgary and Winnipeg right now where they probably need to blow it up if they ever want to win a cup but they won't

Agreed. They actually were doing it the correct way even if they went off track.

Montreal, yeah. You guys so desperately need to hit the reset button (and frankly have needed to since the lockout). They're the poster child for "stay good enough to sneak into the playoffs and keep the seats full".

I wont get into the whole Quebecois aspect because I cant speak to how much of a factor that is. As an outsider it seems like it still enters some decisions, which is a detriment.

 

[Golden_Jet]

8/32 of teams Canadian. Statistically only two make the playoffs so 25% of Canadian teams make playoffs. That is a 12.5% chance (2/16) to win a cup. So every 8 years a Canadian team should have a cup which lands us on 3-4 cups.

7 teams.

 

[Help]

Variance

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Agreed. They actually were doing it the correct way even if they went off track.

Montreal, yeah. You guys so desperately need to hit the reset button (and frankly have needed to since the lockout). They're the poster child for "stay good enough to sneak into the playoffs and keep the seats full".

I wont get into the whole Quebecois aspect because I cant speak to how much of a factor that is. As an outsider it seems like it still enters some decisions, which is a detriment.

I agree that its been a detriment but at least this time around we have some younger more forward thinking francophone guys in management compared to the rehash of dinosaurs we've had before. But you see even Montreal cannot fall into the trap of trying to be good before we draft another very very good offensive piece in the draft. Need some more darts on the top 5 pick board. Its not an easy plan to sell to fans that's for sure

 

[danisonfire]

Snow.

I hate the sand.

Let me tell you about this great opportunity to play in Calgary or Edmonton. They have seen so many leave for the opposite reason. Can you shoot left?