GDT: #3 Part II Devils at Oilers

[Devils Dominion]

PattOTE=kiwidevil;72204181]All Elias really did was flip a puck in front of the net and it got lucky. But Zajac still gets all the heat.

Elias gets praised as by far our best player, but he doesn't seem to do too much when he get's the heavy opposition pairing.[/QUOTE]
Patty and Zubes were bad tonight overall from what we expect from them.

 

[ScottyK]

After reading this and rewatching the goals, you have a point about the breakdowns, but 4 goals in a period on Brodeur with a weak defense is still never an easy feat.

It was quite the impressive breakdown you are right. We all wish Marty could of been superman and made some ridiculous saves but I guess it wasn't meant to be tonight.

 

[ScottyK]

penguins...crosby,neal,malkin,kunitz. BURNED. Isles, Tavares,Moulson,Grabner, BURNED. Edm. Hall,Eberle,RNH BURNED. Just dont have the foot speed to cover the mistakes.

Get some young legs on the blue line. Merrill and Gelinas deserve a shot.

 

[Emperoreddy]

All Elias really did was flip a puck in front of the net and it got lucky. But Zajac still gets all the heat.

Elias gets praised as by far our best player, but he doesn't seem to do too much when he get's the heavy opposition pairing.

Elias was a big part of in that whole sequence of holding the zone and forchecking while down a man, and then doing it 5 on 5 with an empty net. The goal was fluky, but it was his hard work that lead to it.

On the flipside, Zajac, as the number 1 center HAS to win key faceoffs. That is his job, and in the third he flubbed it pretty badly. I don't think he had an awful game overall, but he has to be better in the dot. He wasn't winning faceoffs when we really needed it.

Manilla, I agree Fayne won't cure things but it will help. More the combination of getting Harrold out, who I think is one of the biggest risk takers on D without to skill to warrant said risks (not helped by being paired with a traffic cone) and Fayne in who is responsible and much more of a stay at home guy (which we need right now).

The sucky part is being stuck with Volch is hurting. Obviously there would be growing pains but the amount of skill our kids have one of them could add that spark by bring some of that risk (and in Gelianas' case a booming shot) while being and learning to be more responsible. Volch is never going to get better at this point.

Ideal world, Volch is gone, Harrold is sitting, Gelinas or Merrill are playing and so is Fayne.

 

[Desert Devil]

If I'm Pete, I walk into the locker room and say "we just lost to Jason LaBarbera," turn away and start walking out, but then turn back and say "Jason ****ing LaBarbera," and walk the **** out.

 

[Bleedred]

No way you truly believe that.

Marty was OK tonight at best, but this loss falls on everyone tonight.

I do believe that. Though we had a team with bigger heart in 2003. The 2003 Marty behind this team, still loses tonight's game. My memory of Marty vividly goes back to 93-94 (Test me if you dare!) and I've seen him have games worse than this, as far back as 93.

I don't know how he stops goal 1, unless he was able to cover. Goal 2 nobody stops unless they get insanely lucky. It hit a leg in front. Goal 3 the old Marty stops 50-60% of the time. Sometimes he gives it up. Goal 4 he just wasn't in position to stop.

 

[Jossipov]

penguins...crosby,neal,malkin,kunitz. BURNED. Isles, Tavares,Moulson,Grabner, BURNED. Edm. Hall,Eberle,RNH BURNED. just dont have the foot speed to cover the mistakes.

Get some young legs on the blue line. Merrill and Gelinas deserve a shot.

You sir, have uncovered the trend.
There are guys who are good at scoring goals when they get good chances.
The key is to keep them from getting those chances.
Expecting the goalie to be superman and win the game for you is not going to work, no matter who you have in there.

 

[Devils Dominion]

Lack of urgency for most of the 2nd and all of the 3rd.

 

[Bleedred]

You can get on Marty for not making a stop in the shootout, but I'm not even mad about that. Would you have rather have seen that shootout on life support like Friday nights? Prolonging the inevitable loss, and dragging it out with 6 shooters who can't score in a free brothel?

 

[Uli Hiemer]

If I'm Pete, I walk into the locker room and say "we just lost to Jason LaBarbera," turn away and start walking out, but then turn back and say "Jason ****ing LaBarbera," and walk the **** out.

marc andre fleury, nabokov and now labarbera

what happens when they face a legit goalie?

 

[Jossipov]

marc andre fleury, nabokov and now labarbera

what happens when they face a legit goalie?

Well....we'll find out tomorrow

 

[ScottyK]

marc andre fleury, nabokov and now labarbera

what happens when they face a legit goalie?

We'll find out in about 20 hours

 

[Emperoreddy]

You sir, have uncovered the trend.
There are guys who are good at scoring goals when they get good chances.
The key is to keep them from getting those chances.
Expecting the goalie to be superman and win the game for you is not going to work, no matter who you have in there.

And the forwards need to be responsible when they forecheck, and the D NEEDS to know when it is the right time to pinch to avoid odd man rushes.

Another thing is to know when to pass and shoot from the point. I recall a couple of meatballs (one or two were from Larsson) that just went straight to an Oilers stick and lead to a rush the other way. Watch those lanes from the point or blast that thing on net.

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

You guys can spend all the time you want debating which goals were softies and which weren't.

The fact is that Brodeur has let in 6 goals on 40 even strength shots in two games. The Devils held opposing teams to FORTY even strength shots over two games and here we are with two shootout losses. The funny thing is that Schneider's stats are actually worse right now overall (very slightly better at even strength). The unfunny thing is that the statistical track record suggests that this level of play hasn't been uncommon for Brodeur over the past 3 or 4 years. Can't say the same about Schneider.

I think when Schneider starts getting more games, Devils fans will start to see what happens when a goalie isn't letting in two or three "perfect, unstoppable shots, seeing-eye shots" every single game.

 

[Devils Dominion]

I do believe that. Though we had a team with bigger heart in 2003. The 2003 Marty behind this team, still loses tonight's game. My memory of Marty vividly goes back to 93-94 (Test me if you dare!) and I've seen him have games worse than this, as far back as 93.

I don't know how he stops goal 1, unless he was able to cover. Goal 2 nobody stops unless they get insanely lucky. It hit a leg in front. Goal 3 the old Marty stops 50-60% of the time. Sometimes he gives it up. Goal 4 he just wasn't in position to stop.

In the SO he was too deep in the net, not sure why he chose to do that.

 

[Benedict Parisechuk]

penguins...crosby,neal,malkin,kunitz. BURNED. Isles, Tavares,Moulson,Grabner, BURNED. Edm. Hall,Eberle,RNH BURNED. Just dont have the foot speed to cover the mistakes.

Get some young legs on the blue line. Merrill and Gelinas deserve a shot.

At this point, they might not have any other choice but to go all trial by fire regarding Gelinas and Merrill. There officially at the point where Volch and Harrold are costing them games and giving away points. The bleeding has to somehow stop. Fayne would be a big help but Deboer sapped my confidence regarding him ever getting into the lineup so the rookies but not be the worst idea at this stage of the game. It can't get any worse, or can it?

 

[Desert Devil]

The backhand to the blocker side is always a tough shot to stop, and has seemingly always been Marty's kryptonite. I'm not sure why teams don't try that more often against him.

 

[kiwidevil]

I'd really like to see Gelinas in. I love the way Zidlicky plays and we really need a player like him. But we also need someone who is a major threat from the blue line. Having both of them in the line up would be my choice.

Also, Brunner is ****ing amazing.

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

marc andre fleury, nabokov and now labarbera

what happens when they face a legit goalie?

They probably score 3 or 4 goals on him like they have the past two games.

 

[Bleedred]

You guys can spend all the time you want debating which goals were softies and which weren't.

The fact is that Brodeur has let in 6 goals on 40 even strength shots in two games. The Devils held opposing teams to FORTY even strength shots over two games and here we are with two shootout losses. The funny thing is that Schneider's stats are actually worse right now overall (very slightly better at even strength). The unfunny thing is that the statistical track record suggests that this level of play hasn't been uncommon for Brodeur over the past 3 or 4 years. Can't say the same about Schneider.

I think when Schneider starts getting more games, Devils fans will start to see what happens when a goalie isn't letting in two or three "perfect, unstoppable shots, seeing-eye shots" every single game.

We lose this game with Schneider too, I strongly believe. Many of these shots are breakaways and odd man rushes. The 20-25 shots we allow are probably not even as safe as the 35 shots Miller or Lehtonen face per game. Those guys don't even see the odd man rushes that Marty/Cory have seen in each of these games.

I do believe Cory is better, and would like to see more of him. And I do think Marty deserves blame for a lot of that Islanders game, but not tonight.

 

[Jossipov]

You guys can spend all the time you want debating which goals were softies and which weren't.

No, there is no debate. Calling them softies is ridiculous. I'm sorry, but if those are softies, I want to hear what the definition of a softy is...because those were pretty good goals.

I think when Schneider starts getting more games, Devils fans will start to see what happens when a goalie isn't letting in two or three "perfect, unstoppable shots, seeing-eye shots" every single game.

I sure hope Schneider isnt getting three "perfect, unstoppable shots, seeing-eye shots" every game, or we are going down hard.

 

[Bleedred]

The backhand to the blocker side is always a tough shot to stop, and has seemingly always been Marty's kryptonite. I'm not sure why teams don't try that more often against him.

That and the point shot. How many times have we seen a skater streak down the right wing and blow one 7 hole from the circle or point? It happened even 20 years ago believe it or not. I remember Marty letting in quite a few of those goals in the 95 ECF.

IMO Marty's rebound control is the biggest weakness of his game now. He actually lets in less point shots the past 5 years than he did in his first 15 years in the game. Only his rebound control then was the best in the world. Now it's non existent almost. Now there was really nothing he could have done on the first goal tonight on those rebounds. Those weren't bad rebounds IMO.

 

[Uli Hiemer]

We lose this game with Schneider too, I strongly believe. Many of these shots are breakaways and odd man rushes. The 20-25 shots we allow are probably not even as safe as the 35 shots Miller or Lehtonen face per game. Those guys don't even see the odd man rushes that Marty/Cory have seen in each of these games.

I do believe Cory is better, and would like to see more of him. And I do think Marty deserves blame for a lot of that Islanders game, but not tonight.

Nope, Schneider will save us because he proved it in the Penguins game. Oh wait.

Geez.....it's always the goalie's fault because the stats say so.

 

[BadFella]

I hope we have THE SCHNEIDER between the pipes tomorrow.

 

[kiwidevil]

This goalie switching crap isn't going to help to so-so goals Marty and Cory have been conceding lately.

Every goalie takes time to settle in and get in a rhythm. You don't get a chance to settle when you are only playing every second game. Which can mean some big gaps between games.