GDT: 3/23/25 Philly @ Chicago 2pm CHSN

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Korchinski would not have more value than Jiricek in a trade, no way. Yes Jiricek has played like crap since the deal, but he had a phenomenal D+1 season in the AHL and was still considered one of the premier RHD prospects in the league at the time with 1D upside. Teams will pony up for that.

 

[TLEH]

He's 5th amongst forwards in xGF% and 3rd in shots for %. I don't know what you're using to measure how well he sustains pressure/zone time, I'd be interested to see what it is. Because the eye test says he does a great job pressuring and forcing turnovers and that seems to play out in the advanced stats too, relative to the rest of the team.

He's also in his first pro season. It's not like he's a finished product.

Are those at 5 on 5? Thats not what I see on moneypuck. I actually like Landon Slaggert, I think he plays the right way, I just think he's probably an AHL tweener guy.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Korchinski would not have more value than Jiricek in a trade, no way. Yes Jiricek has played like crap since the deal, but he had a phenomenal D+1 season in the AHL and was still considered one of the premier RHD prospects in the league at the time with 1D upside. Teams will pony up for that.

Jiricek has played a lot more at LD than RD for the Wild

 

[statswatcher]

Are those at 5 on 5? Thats not what I see on moneypuck. I actually like Landon Slaggert, I think he plays the right way, I just think he's probably an AHL tweener guy.

yeah looks like the 5v5 numbers from natural stat trick.

something interesting i noticed is that bedard is slaggert's most common 5v5 forward linemate. this is because they rode the slaggert-bedard-donato line for most of february. donato had 3 goals and 4 points in 3 games in the first half of the month, bedard had a primary assist, and slaggert had nothing. then over the next 4 games, donato has an assist while slaggert and bedard both get nothing. then the line is broken up in favor of promoting athanasiou from the ahl to bedard's wing, kicking slaggert down to a kid line with nazar and dach.

by the same token, slaggert is bedard's 9th most common 5v5 forward linemate. if the lines section of this website is to be believed, bedard has only played 9 games with the same line this season! slaggert has played well with him by some of the more abstract numbers. they don't make eachother worse on possession, bedard sees the least shots against per 60 with slaggert and the second highest shots for%. the pairing has been middling in other categories, but sledom a net negative. the most glaring issue has been slaggert's lack of offense like you said.

 

[CallMeShaft]

Jiricek has played a lot more at LD than RD for the Wild

Idiotic to pay for a young RD and then play him on the left side. DJ already had enough problems with his development when he was with Columbus.

 

[Muffinalt]

I think KK might surprise people next year. He looked good this year when he had few games and if he has a good summer of getting stronger there is real potential there.

He and EDM can fight for who is in the second pair and who is in third pair. Competition is a good thing. Also lets not forget Kaiser he has come a long way...

Agreed. The ones who are afraid FO is going to get impatient, are only impatient themselves.

No reason KK doesn't come out flying next year. Or at least put his hat in the ready for the league hat like Del Mastro, Kaiser, Crevier, hopefully together with Allan.

It will play itself out anyway, the kids will make the decision for KD.

 

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[TheFridge]

Are those at 5 on 5? Thats not what I see on moneypuck. I actually like Landon Slaggert, I think he plays the right way, I just think he's probably an AHL tweener guy.

Those are 5v5 via Natural Stat Trick.

Hopefully the filters come through. Should be for the Blackhawks, 5v5, forwards only: Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

I don't see Slaggert as a tweener at all. Tweeners are guys that can't score enough to play in your top-6 but also don't bring much of anything else to the table to carve out a role. Slaggert is pretty much the quintessential role player.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

I don’t think Korchinski has minimal value right now. Look at Jiricek, the guy drafted before him who looked objectively worse than him. He got traded for basically a full drafts worth of picks. You could get plenty for Korch, and even more in a package deal.

He may have depleting value to the Hawks though. Lev has basically shown he’s ready, and is running PP1. If Rinzel gets here and looks good, he’s on PP2. Having Korchinski on a team with no powerplay time is a waste. He’s also a LD but he won’t get big minutes because Vlasic and EDM have stepped up and are way better defensively than him, so they’ll get more minutes.

So you don’t have to trade Korchinski or lose patience, but he’s being pushed down the depth chart. A deal involving him would be dealing from a position of strength to shore up a position of weakness, which would be forward.

this is probably reading way too much into things but if KK doesnt get a look to end the season it might suggest they want to protect his trade value as much as possible by keeping him in RFD heading into offseason

 

[Chelios]

Jesus Christ. These KK takes are off the wall.

 

[TLEH]

Those are 5v5 via Natural Stat Trick.

Hopefully the filters come through. Should be for the Blackhawks, 5v5, forwards only: Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

I don't see Slaggert as a tweener at all. Tweeners are guys that can't score enough to play in your top-6 but also don't bring much of anything else to the table to carve out a role. Slaggert is pretty much the quintessential role player.

His possession stats are below average even for this roster and its not like he's just playing 4th line minutes. He's playing solid 3rd line minutes and has 3 points. Like I feel like we agree on the fact that he has the tools and play style to be an effective PKer and possibly 4th line checker but even those guys are putting up 15-20 points these days in the NHL. Its not like he's overly big or overly physical either. I just need to see him develop more physicality and provide a little more offense before I start penciling him in as a guy who could be here when we are good.

 

[statswatcher]

His possession stats are below average even for this roster

that's just simply not true. his 5v5 relative cf% is 0.26, meaning that his possession numbers have been literally and objectively slightly above average relative to the bad possession team he plays for.

I just need to see him develop more physicality and provide a little more offense before I start penciling him in as a guy who could be here when we are good.

this is fair, the lack of scoring is the biggest defect. i would split the difference and say i think he's shown enough upside to where being a reliable bottom six option in the league is a very reasonable expectation. my jury is out on whether he sticks in that capacity on a competitive team.

 

[TheFridge]

His possession stats are below average even for this roster and its not like he's just playing 4th line minutes. He's playing solid 3rd line minutes and has 3 points. Like I feel like we agree on the fact that he has the tools and play style to be an effective PKer and possibly 4th line checker but even those guys are putting up 15-20 points these days in the NHL. Its not like he's overly big or overly physical either. I just need to see him develop more physicality and provide a little more offense before I start penciling him in as a guy who could be here when we are good.

Yeah his possession stats are below-average. Most of the team is below-average. Relative to the team, his possession stats are above-average.

There are 106 forwards in the NHL this year -- with 20+ games played -- that have a PpG rate of <= 0.25. Slaggert's is 0.13. If he had one more goal or one more assist, his PpG rate would be 0.17. That 0.17 PpG rate would put him at a 14-point pace, as it stands he'd be on pace for 10.5 points.

I'm not expecting a lot from Slaggert. I don't have high aspirations for what he's going to produce offensively in the league but he already does a lot of things, as a rookie, that will make him an effective role player and even if he's not ever going to be a significant offensive contributor, he still has room to get better.