GDT: 2W's in a row @home

[nobuddy]

Hanifin was hot garbage tonight, but I'm sure he'll figure his **** out.

 

[gocanes88]

Probably my best one yet.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

Hanifin was hot garbage tonight, but I'm sure he'll figure his **** out.

eh's a bust

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Looking at the #fancystats, Murphy is slightly overqualified for his current position, Faulk is slightly underqualified (if we give him the benefit of the doubt that he isn't directly responsible for that .879 Sv%) and Pesce is either wildly overachieving or the greatest defenseman ever.

The last isn't actually #fancystats, it's based on him not yet allowing a goal while on the ice yet. That's insane. It's nuts. How much is he getting horribly lucky to start off his NHL career with a fiery hot streak, and how much is skill? He's come in and established himself as the #2 right handed player behind Faulk. Easily. And I like Murphy.

Speaking of that, the only thing I didn't like today (besides the two soft goals Ward gave up, he's always done that, he gets beat by perfection) was sending Liles and Pesce out for the empty net situation. Why not Murphy? I guess he didn't like the idea of sending Murphy out with Liles (too small) or Hainsey or Hanifin (oh god no).... but he's by far your best offensive dman this year. Ah well.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

clearly this team needs more low effort halloween themed gdt's

 

[tarheelhockey]

Pesce's looked pretty good in my eye-test so far. I'm kind of waiting for the bubble to burst on this seemingly random 3rd rounder playing like an NHL'er already, but he's hanging in there pretty well.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

Pesce's looked pretty good in my eye-test so far. I'm kind of waiting for the bubble to burst on this seemingly random 3rd rounder playing like an NHL'er already, but he's hanging in there pretty well.

Dude has been insane. If he keeps it up, in a few years we might have the 2000 Baltimore Ravens of NHL defenses.

It's actually pretty f***ing exciting.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Clean up the bad penalties and maybe we get a point out of this one; the game changed after the Bolts scored that PP goal.

And yeah, Hanifin looked every bit like the rookie he is. Keep it simple kid.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

Dude has been insane. If he keeps it up, in a few years we might have the 2000 Baltimore Ravens of NHL defenses.

It's actually pretty f***ing exciting.

This is the kind of stuff that needs to be tempered.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Clean up the bad penalties and maybe we get a point out of this one; the game changed after the Bolts scored that PP goal.

And yeah, Hanifin looked every bit like the rookie he is. Keep it simple kid.

Yep and yep. Too many penalties and too careless with the puck.

 

[Joe McGrath]

This was one of those, I really should have put $10k on the game because you just KNEW they would lose. Facing backup? Yep. Tampa at home. Yep. Early Sunday start? You betcha. Stamps and Johnson in long scoring droughts? Yes sir.

 

[The Faulker 27]

That's a ridiculous comment. You can say Hanifin needs experience, you can say he needs perspective, you can say he needs time in the AHL, but it's downright silly so say he needs motivation. He's an 18YO who is going to make 18YO mistakes.

So when you were 18 you didn't need a little motivation to try harder, apply more focus, so on and so forth? I don't think there's a cap for motivation last time I checked. Also, I didn't mention anything about him making mistakes that's a given, and to be expected.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

So when you were 18 you didn't need a little motivation to try harder, apply more focus, so on and so forth? I don't think there's a cap for motivation last time I checked. Also, I didn't mention anything about him making mistakes that's a given, and to be expected.

That's not the point. The point is that you are jumping to the conclusion that motivation is the problem so that he should go to the AHL to get motivated (your words). That to me is a stretch at best, but more likely a giant leap. I've seen nothing in his game, nor in anything from the coaches, players that would suggest motivation is an issue with him, in fact, we've heard the opposite. I expect Hanifin to have some rough nights as he is young and inexperienced, but IMO, it has nothing to do with motivation.

That's the part I disagree with.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Ward has to stop that Brown goal. I don't know what the **** Hanifin was doing there, and it was a great shot, but Ward can't let that one in.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I'm not a goalie, but I know backhands are the most difficult shot to read. Especially when a 4th liner puts one off the elbow and in.

 

[bleedgreen]

Nothing wrong with that going in. Perfect shot. Would've been nice if he got it, but it's hardly a surprise it went in. Would've beat most goalies.

 

[The Faulker 27]

That's not the point. The point is that you are jumping to the conclusion that motivation is the problem so that he should go to the AHL to get motivated (your words). That to me is a stretch at best, but more likely a giant leap. I've seen nothing in his game, nor in anything from the coaches, players that would suggest motivation is an issue with him, in fact, we've heard the opposite. I expect Hanifin to have some rough nights as he is young and inexperienced, but IMO, it has nothing to do with motivation.

That's the part I disagree with.

I assure you I wasn't trying to isolate his problems to motivation. Merely stating that having a stint in the AHL would be motivating.

For example, I'm a hard worker, generally self motivated but if I start to make mistakes at work, costing the company money, due to errors in judgment I expect repercussions for that . My mistakes weren't made because I'm not working hard enough, or motivated enough. They were made because maybe I'm inexperienced with a new task and aren't quite getting it. Regardless, if my boss decided I needed a senior staff member shadow me for a while, well, that experience would be motivational. I would want to work even harder, figure out why my performance slipped, spend extra time outside of work studying etc.

 

[RodTheBawd]

He took a poor angle and drifted way too much to the short side. He probably thought Hanifin would be defending the guy with the puck instead of a ghost, but that was still one he'd want back.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I assure you I wasn't trying to isolate his problems to motivation. Merely stating that having a stint in the AHL would be motivating.

I can only respond to what you wrote, which was that he should go to the AHL for motivation and perspective, and thus, my response that IMO, motivation is the least of his issues. If down in the AHL would he be motivated to be in the nhl? Of course he would, but that's not why they'd want to send him to the AHL. Your making an assumption (and used an example) that by trying harder and being more motivated can make him better. I'm saying there's nothing to indicate that's the problem or that trying harder is going to help, in fact, in many cases it can hurt as young guys try to do too much and/or grip the stick too tight.

He's a young, inexperienced player who will have ups and downs and will struggle from time to time as he learns how to play defense in the NHL. IMO, "Trying harder", when all indications are that he's already very motivated, isn't going to help.

I'd have no problem if the Canes sent him to the AHL (although I don't think they will) as he needs to learn how to consistently play defense at the professional level. Spending some time in the AHL against lesser (but still very good) competition can allow him to develop his game, play more minutes, and grow confidence without having to worry about the outcome of an NHL game and those are the reasons you send him down.

 

[BrindAmours Army]

Nothing wrong with that going in. Perfect shot. Would've been nice if he got it, but it's hardly a surprise it went in. Would've beat most goalies.

Ward seems to be facing a lot of "perfect shots" this season...

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Ward has to stop that Brown goal. I don't know what the **** Hanifin was doing there, and it was a great shot, but Ward can't let that one in.

Every even-strength goal Ward gave up last night was from the low slot -- and he made a lot of nice saves against those kinds of shots. The defense needs to keep guys out of those areas, plain and simple.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

He took a poor angle and drifted way too much to the short side. He probably thought Hanifin would be defending the guy with the puck instead of a ghost, but that was still one he'd want back.

Pretty sure every goal allowed is one the goalie would like back.

As far as Ward facing a lot of "perfect shots", its a combination of poor defensive breakdowns and/or letting the wrong shooters get a clean shot

 

[Joe McGrath]

Every even-strength goal Ward gave up last night was from the low slot -- and he made a lot of nice saves against those kinds of shots. The defense needs to keep guys out of those areas, plain and simple.

I think this is the basic disconnect. Ward isn't really giving up many goals that are "his fault" but he's also giving up more that he could stop the many would like. A bigger goalie like Bishop or Rinne stops that Brown shot easily IMO.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

What about the Brown goal was either a defensive breakdown or allowing the wrong player to get a good shot off?

It was a bad goal, otherwise I thought Ward played well, they couldn't score until a broken play that led to a breakaway and garbage time 6 on 5. They get decent looks and chances too, I think, they're just not talented enough and big/fast enough to take full advantage.

 

[Ole Gil]

This is the kind of stuff that needs to be tempered.

Maybe people get excited, because in our minds a bottom pairing dman is Jay Harrison, and a 2nd pair dman is Brett Bellemore. So by comparison, Pesce is "insane" rather than "Not bad for a kid his age."