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Proposal: 2LW and 2C to Toronto

so a team with the majority of its cap tied up into 4 forwards, a patch work d and three goalies who have never been starters need to add more forwards. If that's the case this team isn't going to win this year and should not be trading any of their limited future assets . IMO
 
DJJones said:
If Flames continue to fall off, Backlund + Coleman. Ready to go 3rd line that will make anyone that plays with them better.
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Would probably need to retain on both. Not sure CGY management wants to do that considering both players still have term after this season
 
jfhabs said:
Would probably need to retain on both. Not sure CGY management wants to do that considering both players still have term after this season
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Not the end of the world if the haul is big enough in return. Bigger problem is its unlikely they pull the plug before the deadline.
 
pspot said:
so a team with the majority of its cap tied up into 4 forwards, a patch work d and three goalies who have never been starters need to add more forwards. If that's the case this team isn't going to win this year and should not be trading any of their limited future assets . IMO
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Goaltending is far from the Leafs problem.

Adin Hill won the Stanley Cup with Vegas while Broissoit played 8 games.
Darcy Kuemper won the Stanley Cup with Francouz playing 7 games.

Jordan Binnington won a cup with St. Louis as a rookie with 33 games NHL experience.
Stuart Skinner had the Oilers in game 7 of the cup final.
Vancouver went on a bit of a run with Arthurs Silovs

At the end of the day, goaltending is all about having a guy get hot at the right time.

While I don't neccessarily agree with the entirety of the OP, given the large amount of money tied up into 4 forwards, it does seem at least somewhat logical to get the pieces in place that allow them to distribute those guys over 3 lines.
 
seanlinden said:
Goaltending is far from the Leafs problem.

Adin Hill won the Stanley Cup with Vegas while Broissoit played 8 games.
Darcy Kuemper won the Stanley Cup with Francouz playing 7 games.

Jordan Binnington won a cup with St. Louis as a rookie with 33 games NHL experience.
Stuart Skinner had the Oilers in game 7 of the cup final.
Vancouver went on a bit of a run with Arthurs Silovs

At the end of the day, goaltending is all about having a guy get hot at the right time.

While I don't neccessarily agree with the entirety of the OP, given the large amount of money tied up into 4 forwards, it does seem at least somewhat logical to get the pieces in place that allow them to distribute those guys over 3 lines.
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In the last 10 years
'14 - Quick
'15 - Crawford
'16 - Murray
'17 - Fleury 15 / Murray split 11
'18 - Holtby
'19 - Binnington
'20 - Vasilevksy
'21 - Vasilevsky
'22 - Kuemper
'23 - Hill
'24 - Bobrovsky

All of the bolded were good, established number 1 goalie. Many of these have multiples cup and/or stanley cup apparences as opposed to the 'other' guys that went hot for one season.

The impact of a good goalie is very underrated around here.
 
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jfhabs said:
In the last 10 years
'14 - Quick
'15 - Crawford
'16 - Murray
'17 - Fleury 15 / Murray split 11
'18 - Holtby
'19 - Binnington
'20 - Vasilevksy
'21 - Vasilevsky
'22 - Kuemper
'23 - Hill
'24 - Bobrovsky

All of the bolded were good, established number 1 goalie. Many of these have multiples cup and/or stanley cup apparences as opposed to the 'other' guys that went hot for one season.

The impact of a good goalie is very underrated around here.
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Of the 11 years you listed, 7 were what you consdier to be "good" goalies...

But, consider this for a moment....

1. Murray played more games than Fleury in the regular season, and in the playoffs... a fairly substantial split.
2. Vasilevsky's first cup win, he was making $3.5m.
3. Vasielvsky's 2nd cup win, they had Kucherov skip the entire season to be basically $10m over the cap.

It's easy to rant and rave that you need good goaltending, but the reality is, in any given 7 game series a $2m guy can go toe-to-toe with a $9m guy; and that's typically the difference between a substantially impactful forward or defenceman. Look no further than the only playoff series the Leafs have won, where Ilya Samsonov basically went toe-to-toe with Vasi, and the Leafs had $8m more worth of firepower.

The Leafs goaltending this year isn't a household name.... but Stolarz leads the league in sv% and is 2nd in GAA amongst goalies with at least 13 games played. Yes, he's only played 18, while Hellebuyck has played 43 and most of the "regular" #1s have played 35 to 40; but those are still very impressive numbers.

Woll's numbers obviously less exciting, but here's a guy who's shown the abiltiy to absolutely shut things down in the playoffs and duel against the league's best.
 
jfhabs said:
The impact of a good goalie is very underrated around here.
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And the Leafs have Stolarz who has put up elite numbers this year. The big concern is durability.

The top 6 is set, the blueline is solid if not "A" tier, the real ongoing issue* is the bottom 6 which gets quite literally progressively weaker every single year (in part because what's left in cap space after the Core 4 has gone primarily to strengthen the blue line).

In short, the Leafs need at least two forwards (one being an established C is a must) who can play on the 3rd line and generate some offense. That gives us:

Knies-Matthews-Marner
McMann-Tavares-Nylander
Domi-3C-3LW/RW

(Since Berube apparently isn't allowed to drop Mitch or Willie to the 3rd line)

* The other ongoing issue is the inability of the top 6 to score when we need them, but that's another whole deflating conversation.
 
seanlinden said:
Of the 11 years you listed, 7 were what you consdier to be "good" goalies...

But, consider this for a moment....

1. Murray played more games than Fleury in the regular season, and in the playoffs... a fairly substantial split.
2. Vasilevsky's first cup win, he was making $3.5m.
3. Vasielvsky's 2nd cup win, they had Kucherov skip the entire season to be basically $10m over the cap.

It's easy to rant and rave that you need good goaltending, but the reality is, in any given 7 game series a $2m guy can go toe-to-toe with a $9m guy; and that's typically the difference between a substantially impactful forward or defenceman. Look no further than the only playoff series the Leafs have won, where Ilya Samsonov basically went toe-to-toe with Vasi, and the Leafs had $8m more worth of firepower.

The Leafs goaltending this year isn't a household name.... but Stolarz leads the league in sv% and is 2nd in GAA amongst goalies with at least 13 games played. Yes, he's only played 18, while Hellebuyck has played 43 and most of the "regular" #1s have played 35 to 40; but those are still very impressive numbers.

Woll's numbers obviously less exciting, but here's a guy who's shown the abiltiy to absolutely shut things down in the playoffs and duel against the league's best.
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Let's see how it goes when it counts...

kevsh said:
And the Leafs have Stolarz who has put up elite numbers this year. The big concern is durability.

The top 6 is set, the blueline is solid if not "A" tier, the real ongoing issue* is the bottom 6 which gets quite literally progressively weaker every single year (in part because what's left in cap space after the Core 4 has gone primarily to strengthen the blue line).

In short, the Leafs need at least two forwards (one being an established C is a must) who can play on the 3rd line and generate some offense. That gives us:

Knies-Matthews-Marner
McMann-Tavares-Nylander
Domi-3C-3LW/RW

(Since Berube apparently isn't allowed to drop Mitch or Willie to the 3rd line)

* The other ongoing issue is the inability of the top 6 to score when we need them, but that's another whole deflating conversation.
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I agree on that. Even said it earlier in this thread. With the way the leafs are built, they can't really go for a better goalie any way. You kind of have to hope it sticks. But that model hasn't been successful so far in the playoffs VS teams that built with a strong goaltender.
 
For what you listed you get either 2LW or 2C not both, also i think Granlund would've been the player if the Leafs front office also shared your thoughts but he went to Dallas. And what is this hilarious dream of playing Marner at third line and Domi at 1st line? Have you completely lost it?

Matthews sitting on the toilet reading this looks at the proposal like "IM GONNA PLAY WITH KNIES AND DOMI???"
 
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Leafs don't need a 2nd line LW, or a winger at all, that's not to say I wouldn't be open to adding a winger, there is a few I'd be interested in, Rickard Rakell, Brandon Tanev, Reilly Smith among them, in fact I think Brandon Tanev is going to be added.

But primary need is a center.

If you add a center, Let's use Brayden Schenn as an example because his name is out there.e then you got.

Knies Matthews Marner

McMann Tavares Nylander

Domi Schenn.

You got 2 full lines and a pair.

That's good enough.

I think you should get better anywhere you can so I'm not against adding a w winger especially if it means Robertson or Reaves or Holmberg are out.

But the need is a center.
 
Flames offer Coleman and Kadri. Coleman is not an ideal #2LW but he scored 30 goals last year and can play on the 2nd line if paired with good linemates.

Both are playoff tested, have cups and would get the Leafs over the hump.
 
hamzarocks said:
Assuming leafs decide to try and buy this year are there any good 2Cs and 2LWs the leafs can acquire?

Assets on table: Ben Danford, 2026 1st, Easton Cowan, Fraser Minten, 2025 2nd

Looking for good but not elite players. Guys with at least 2 playoff runs and not rentals preferrably.

Want to get these roles filled to be able to run three lines evenly and try to build a deep team in a matchup vs Sens/Wings/Bolts/Bruins etc

Knies - Matthews - Domi
2LW - Tavares - Nylander
McMann - 2C - Marner

What teams have pieces which can be filled in at these slots and what would be the cost for these assets?
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Knies - Matthews - Domi
Coleman - Tavares - Nylander
McMann - Kadri - Marner

That's a cup roster right there.
 
SeanMoneyHands said:
Knies - Matthews - Domi
Coleman - Tavares - Nylander
McMann - Kadri - Marner

That's a cup roster right there.
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Sure would love to see it and would put

Danford + Cowan + 1st + minten + 2nd on the table for those two

But leafs have no cap to take on that 12-13M

Doubt flames retain 50% on both as those guys have too much term.

Would be an insane roster though
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Leafs don't need a 2nd line LW, or a winger at all, that's not to say I wouldn't be open to adding a winger, there is a few I'd be interested in, Rickard Rakell, Brandon Tanev, Reilly Smith among them, in fact I think Brandon Tanev is going to be added.

But primary need is a center.

If you add a center, Let's use Brayden Schenn as an example because his name is out there.e then you got.

Knies Matthews Marner

McMann Tavares Nylander

Domi Schenn.

You got 2 full lines and a pair.

That's good enough.

I think you should get better anywhere you can so I'm not against adding a w winger especially if it means Robertson or Reaves or Holmberg are out.

But the need is a center.
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The flames poster below @SeanMoneyHands proposed Coleman + Kadr

Id trade all 5 of those assets for those 2 if somehow we could fit them in cap wise.

I cant see the leafs being a legit heavy contender for next 3 years running:

Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Tavares
Kadri
Knies
Coleman
McMann
Domi

As there top 9

Issue is its 11.5M in.

If the flames retained 2M on kadri and took back Kampf maybe its workable? Just not sure how itll work long term for us as if we bring those two in we need marner and tavares back long-term to contend.

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Coleman - Tavares - Nylander/Marner
McMann - Kadri - Marner/Nylander

Would be the best top 9 in leafs franchise history. A legit cup winning top 9 + strong top 4D + good 2 goalies.

If only the core each made 1M less, that alone is 4M flexability
 
seanlinden said:
Goaltending is far from the Leafs problem.

Adin Hill won the Stanley Cup with Vegas while Broissoit played 8 games.
Darcy Kuemper won the Stanley Cup with Francouz playing 7 games.

Jordan Binnington won a cup with St. Louis as a rookie with 33 games NHL experience.
Stuart Skinner had the Oilers in game 7 of the cup final.
Vancouver went on a bit of a run with Arthurs Silovs

At the end of the day, goaltending is all about having a guy get hot at the right time.

While I don't neccessarily agree with the entirety of the OP, given the large amount of money tied up into 4 forwards, it does seem at least somewhat logical to get the pieces in place that allow them to distribute those guys over 3 lines.
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You mention a goalie getting hot, but half of your list were liabilities for some/all of their playoff run.

Francouz and injured Kuemper were bad against any decent team. Silvos had his moments of greatness, but he also showed that if Vancouver had an NHL goalie they probably win that series. Skinner was incredibly hot/cold. And Brossoit was about to lose the net due to performance if he hadn't been injured
 
pspot said:
so a team with the majority of its cap tied up into 4 forwards, a patch work d and three goalies who have never been starters need to add more forwards. If that's the case this team isn't going to win this year and should not be trading any of their limited future assets . IMO
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Does majority have a different definition wherever you’re from than in NA/Europe?
 
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