Post-Game Talk: #27| Vegas Golden Knights @ New York Islanders | December 5th | 7:00 PM | F/OTW 3-2

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I really wish the enforcer thing next to our star players would die already.

I get why it happens. It's an emotional response based on the fact that enforcers are entertaining, underdogs, have a thankless job, fight for their team, etc. It's the whole core of that Goon movie with Stiffler. So, people have an emotional attachment to enforcers and try to elevate them to roles to which they're not suited.
 

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I get why it happens. It's an emotional response based on the fact that enforcers are entertaining, underdogs, have a thankless job, fight for their team, etc. It's the whole core of that Goon movie with Stiffler. So, people have an emotional attachment to enforcers and try to elevate them to roles to which they're not suited.
Except in this case our goon is currently a better forward option than Dal Colle or Martin.
 

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The problem with having an ‘enforcer’ with some hockey skill that you want to see fight is that he does no good sitting in the box for 5 minutes.
 
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RJ next to Barzal sure as shit isn't permanent. But it did work that game. And I want the Boss in every game vs the Knights. He's a nuclear deterrent and has his role. I think he gets scratched next game for Dal Colle.

But it worked this game and I'm happy he had chances and helped the team get the W.

Do wish we saw him get his dance with Reaves.
 

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The problem with having an ‘enforcer’ with some hockey skill that you want to see fight is that he does no good sitting in the box for 5 minutes.
I’m not suggesting that Ross Johnston is like Tom Wilson. It’s just that I think Johnston is a better skater than I and many others give him credit for. When he’s been in the lineup he hasn’t really hurt us, he has been part of some decent scoring opportunities with Bardreau and Wahlstrom. I think it’s fair to say Johnston is a better option than Matt Martin, who I think has really been poor since coming back from injury, and MDC who is basically an empty jersey out there.
 

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RJ next to Barzal sure as **** isn't permanent. But it did work that game. And I want the Boss in every game vs the Knights. He's a nuclear deterrent and has his role. I think he gets scratched next game for Dal Colle.

But it worked this game and I'm happy he had chances and helped the team get the W.

Do wish we saw him get his dance with Reaves.
I’m sure that was a one shot for Trotz, but it served it’s purpose.
 

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Why do you say that? It doesn't seem particularly true.
What has Dal Colle done to make you think otherwise? He doesn’t skate, shoot or pass particularly well. Do you keep playing him because he was a first round pick 5 years ago and he might get better?

Has Matt Martin looked good to you since he came back from injury? I don’t see it.

Maybe you need to concede a hard truth, that Ross Johnston is better than you think he is.
 

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What has Dal Colle done to make you think otherwise? He doesn’t skate, shoot or pass particularly well. Do you keep playing him because he was a first round pick 5 years ago and he might get better?

I don't think Ross Johnston does those things particularly well either. I do think that expectations are different as personified by your last quoted sentence.

Ross Johnston serves as a blunt instrument when one is needed. It's not needed very often.
 

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I don't think Ross Johnston does those things particularly well either. I do think that expectations are different as personified by your last quoted sentence.

Ross Johnston serves as a blunt instrument when one is needed. It's not needed very often.
I think you’re wrong. He’s a better skater and has better hands than Dal Colle. Watch him with Wahlstrom and Bardreau last month. That line was good for zone time and a scoring chance. But then again you didn’t think too much of Bardreau either.
 
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#28| New York Islanders @ Dallas Stars | December 7th | 8:00 PM | F/TBD



Game Preview: Islanders AT Stars










NEW YORK ISLANDERS (19-6-2) AT DALLAS STARS (16-11-3)
9 PM | AMERICAN AIRLINES CENTER
WATCH: MSG+2 | MSG GO
LISTEN: 88.7 FM | 103.9 FM








After a rousing 3-2 OT win over the Vegas on Thursday, the New York Islanders are embarking on a tough three-game road trip through Texas and Florida, starting on Saturday night against the Dallas Stars.

The Islanders and Stars own the distinction of being two teams who have posted lengthy point streaks early this season. The Islanders franchise-record 17-game point streak was the longest in the NHL this season, while the Stars rattled of a 12-game point streak of their own from Oct. 29 to Nov. 25.

Each team has a chance to begin a new streak, as both teams are coming in off a win in their previous game.



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ISLES VS. STARS:

The Isles split their season series with the Stars last season, with the road team taking each contest.
The Islanders rallied from a 1-0 deficit to take a 3-1 decision against the Stars on Dec. 23 at American Airlines Center. Anders Lee scored on the power play while Casey Cizikas and Leo Komarov also found the back of the net. Devon Toews made his NHL debut in the contest.

Dallas beat the Islanders 6-2 on Nov. 18, 2018 at Barclays Center. The Radulov-Benn-Seguin line combined for three goals and nine points in the win.

The Islanders are 4-2-1 in their last seven trips to Dallas.



ISLES NOTES:

- The Isles returned to NYCB Live Nassau Coliseum for the first time since Nov. 13 on Thursday and defeated the Vegas Golden Knights 3-2 in overtime. Cal Clutterbuck and Brock Nelson scored in regulation, while Ryan Pulock potted the overtime-winner on a power play with 1:40 remaining. Semyon Varlamov turned away 31 shots to claim his ninth win of the season.

- Clutterbuck scored his third goal of the season. Clutterbuck suffered a cross check to the mouth against Montreal on Tuesday night and did not return after the first period, but said he felt better ahead of Thursday's game against Vegas. Clutterbuck logged 12:31 time on ice, threw five hits, and had one shot.

- Nelson scored his ninth goal of the season. Nelson has 21 points through 27 games this season and is second on the Isles leaderboard in goals and points behind Mathew Barzal who has a team-high 24 points (11G, 13A).

- Pulock scored his fourth goal of the season and second game-winning goal. The overtime conversion was Pulock's second OT marker of his career. Through 27 games this season, Pulock leads all Isles blueliners with 14 points (4G, 10A).

- The power-play goal in overtime was just the 16th in Isles history and first since Josh Bailey did so against Carolina during Coach Trotz's first game as Islander head coach on Oct. 4, 2018.

- Josh Bailey assisted on Pulock's OT goal and advanced his point streak to four games (0G, 5A). In the process, Bailey passed Bob Bourne for 10th place on the all-time Isles assist list. Bailey has 19 points (7G, 12A) through 27 games this season.

- Varlamov improved his record to 9-3-2. Varlamov has a goals against average of 2.35 and a save percentage of .923.

- The Islanders are first team since the Sharks in 2006-07 to alternate starting goalies for each of the first 27 games of the season. Thomas Greiss has split the pipes with Varlamov. Greiss has a record 10-3-0, a 2.18 goals against average and a save percentage of .931.

- The Isles are 5-2-0 in overtime this season - or as Trotz says, comfortable in uncomfortable situations.

- The Isles have won seven-straight games at the Coliseum and are 8-2-0 overall at the Coli this season.

- Tom Kuhnhackl was placed on LTIR on Thursday, as he is recovering from a lower-body injury that he sustained on Oct. 25 against Ottawa. Kuhnhackl will join the Bridgeport Sound Tigers for games on Dec. 6 against Utica on Dec. 7 against Syracuse.

- Otto Koivula was returned to Bridgeport on Friday. Koivula was recalled on Nov. 12 and appeared in six games - including his NHL debut on Nov. 16 - during his recall.
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STARS NOTES:

- The Stars open a four-game homestand against the Islanders on Saturday night. Dallas is coming off of a 3-2 overtime win over Winnipeg on Thursday. Jamie Benn and Denis Gurianov scored in regulation, while Joe Pavelski scored the overtime winner on the power play at 2:02. Ben Bishop made 36 saves.

- Benn scored his sixth goal of the season. Through 30 games this season, Benn has 15 points (6G, 9A).

- Gurianov scored his fifth goal of the season. Through 25 games this season Gurianov has nine points (5G, 4A).

- Pavelski scored his sixth goal of the season to break a nine-game scoreless drought. The goal was his second game-winning goal of the season. Through 30 games with his new club, Pavelski has 13 points. Pavelski played the previous 13 seasons with the San Jose Sharks.

- Miro Heiskanen recorded two assists against Winnipeg. Through 30 games this season, the sophomore blueliner has 20 points (7G, 13A). Heiskanen has three points (1G, 2A) in his last two games.

- Tyler Seguin recorded two assists against Winnipeg. Seguin leads the Stars in assists (17) and points (23) through 30 games played.

- Bishop earned his 10th win of the season to improve his record to 10-6-2. Bishop, who was nominated for the Vezina Trophy last year, has a goals against average of 2.19 and a save percentage of .929.

- Stars forward Alexander Radulov was scratched for Thursday's win. Radulov has 15 points (8G, 7A) in 29 games this season.

- After winning seven games straight, the Stars fell into a four-game skid, up until edging Winnipeg in OT on Thursday. The Stars are ranked fourth in the Central Division with 35 points, just won point behind Winnipeg (36) and have posted a record of 16-11-3.



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Goalies
PlayerGPGSWLTOTSAGAGAASSv%SOMIN
Thomas Greiss141310300403282.18375.9310772
Semyon Varlamov16149302444342.35410.9231869
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Ben Bishop





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PlayerGPGSWLTOTSAGAGAASSv%SOMIN
Ben Bishop202010602579412.19538.92901,125
Anton Khudobin12106501348272.39321.9220678
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Player Stats:


Islanders
PlayerGPGAP+/-PIMPPGPPPSHGSHPGWGOTGSS%FO%
Mathew Barzal2711132412102400105619.642.6
Brock Nelson2791221-3142400438610.552.35
Josh Bailey2771219-241400102725.950
Anthony Beauvillier279918662411105516.483.33
Derick Brassard2771017281400104714.951.75
Anders Lee2777145140200206311.144.29
Ryan Pulock274101404140021586.90
Devon Toews27291178020011464.30
Nick Leddy22291156120000267.70
Scott Mayfield27448513000110429.50
Jordan Eberle17268-24130000375.40
Casey Cizikas224377160012103611.157.4
Cal Clutterbuck2734710180012002910.350
Adam Pelech27167216000100342.90
Johnny Boychuk2616718110000382.60
Leo Komarov140442200010011028.57
Matt Martin15213300000101216.733.33
Michael Dal Colle2312308000000166.375
Noah Dobson702212000000700
Ross Johnston13101035000000520100
Tom Kuhnhackl6000-10000000800
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Stars
PlayerGPGAP+/-PIMPPGPPPSHGSHPGWGOTGSS%FO%
Tyler Seguin30617232140500211095.557.96
Miro Heiskanen307132084040000759.30
Alexander Radulov2987157303400107710.425
Jamie Benn306915-210350031728.359.34
Roope Hintz2311213-141311104623.945.31
Joe Pavelski306713-1163500215910.252.65
Radek Faksa306612-5141100105411.148.98
Mattias Janmark253710240112002611.556.25
Corey Perry2337103110200003010100
Denis Gurianov2554939130020588.60
Jason Dickinson26459620000103212.547.46
John Klingberg24279-1114150000523.80
Esa Lindell30268841300104050
Taylor Fedun2117836000000303.30
Blake Comeau16325-3140000002711.154.55
Justin Dowling2131408000010231344.29
Jamie Oleksiak30044-2170000002900
Andrew Cogliano29044-11200000022041.18
Andrej Sekera260334100000003000
Roman Polak1102212000000700
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Think you meant to make this its own thread didn't you?
 

Richie Daggers Crime

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I think you’re wrong. He’s a better skater and has better hands than Dal Colle. Watch him with Wahlstrom and Bardreau last month. That line was good for zone time and a scoring chance. But then again you didn’t think too much of Bardreau either.

I understand your point of view. I disagree with it, but I recognize its validity. Appreciate the exchange.
 

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I’m sure that was a one shot for Trotz, but it served it’s purpose.
Ya think Ross gets scratched tonight? I wouldn’t mind having him on Barzals line to start. If it doesn’t work, Trotz can easily move them around. But they looked pretty good across the board last game (from the parts I saw), might as well run with it.
 

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Ya think Ross gets scratched tonight? I wouldn’t mind having him on Barzals line to start. If it doesn’t work, Trotz can easily move them around. But they looked pretty good across the board last game (from the parts I saw), might as well run with it.
Maybe scratched, maybe not, but I wonder if he'll play on a different line. Either way I didn't think 32-13-12 generated a lot of chances against VGK. I wouldn't be so quick to put Ross back there.
 

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