The part you're forgetting is that every line we had was a second or third line. Our leading scorer on those teams usually wouldn't break 60 points in a full season. There was no gamebreaking talent on those teams. This season is an anomaly. The schedule is an absolute meatgrinder. We have the youngest team in the league and this division has 4 legit contenders in it. If we look at it honestly, who are we better than? Buffalo and Jersey. WHo's better than us? Pitt, Bos, Wsh for sure, and the Islanders are without a dobt one of the best coached teams. I am stunned by the lack of heart on this roster but truthfully, everything would have had to go just right in order to knock one of the anticipated top 4 out of position and in reality, it's gone the opposite directions. Nobody foresaw Zib coming out flat. Nobody saw the Panarin situation. Georgiev having difficulty, Shesterkin getting hurt, Snakebitten rookies, you name it. It's all gone wrong. It's probably going to cost Quinn his job and at this point, I don't really care. I see him as a Renney type who wasn't going to get you over the hump anyway.
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I just look at all those games we lost that we could have, should have won, with Panarin in the lineup. This political bs ruined everything.Well he’ll be back tomorrow if that makes you feel any better
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I bailed out when it was 2-0 I just couldn't stomach it.
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How many times did Sam mention Boston's difficulty scoring early on? Literally every missed shot or pass by Boston seemed to be followed by 'well, ya know they have had difficulty scoring'. I get it's a talking point on your notes, but move on already. Don't give a shit about Boston's past week anymore, focus on the current game. Then once Boston did start scoring it was all you heard about again. 'They don't look like a team having difficulty scoring anymore LOLOLOLOL'. Just so effin grating imo
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Thats what I should have done. Watching this team grow this season is real tough. I know next year, they're going to look a helluva lot different. We've seen what all these kids can do. No crystal ball is necessary. Bread will be back. Kids will continue to grow. Shesty comes back feeling good.
Plus, Boston was playing playoff style hockey last night. We looked good early.
No idea what's going on with Zibanejad.
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The truth is, we don't know how to break down a veteran team with good structure. The minute we trail in a game to one of these teams the game is pretty much over. It looks like a heart/leadership issue, but I'm not positive this is the case. I'm old enough to remember the trap era. And trying to beat the Devils and how we looked flat in most of those games. Maybe we were flat, but many times it was simply the system we were up against.
My issue at this point with Quinn is, he is not a good tactical coach. His adjustments are always about chemistry and getting guys going. But at some point, you have to adjust tactically to give your team a shot. Just anything to make the other team unsure of what you're doing, even for 10 minutes in the middle of a game. Otherwise you can't break through the structure.
Furthermore, it's clear that Martin has come in and given the defensive zone coverage an overhaul. But there's been no clearly effective tactical/strategic plan in the neutral zone and offensive zone that has worked with any level of consistency. Quinn needs to figure it out or bring in an assistant who is a tactical genius. Either way it's on him. At some Quinn has to be held responsible for not giving his team a chance to win the game. It's demoralizing. It looks like the team isn't trying but in reality they're just not being effective. To the outside viewer there's no difference. But changing lines constantly isn't the answer. And blaming the team for a lack of effort isn't the answer. This team is not the Sabres yet. There's a good comradarie. There's still buy in. But if you go into almost every game knowing the other team knows exactly what you're going to do and you don't have the experience/strength/talent to overcome that - you're screwed. It's a non-starter.
My issue at this point with Quinn is, he is not a good tactical coach. His adjustments are always about chemistry and getting guys going. But at some point, you have to adjust tactically to give your team a shot. Just anything to make the other team unsure of what you're doing, even for 10 minutes in the middle of a game. Otherwise you can't break through the structure.
Furthermore, it's clear that Martin has come in and given the defensive zone coverage an overhaul. But there's been no clearly effective tactical/strategic plan in the neutral zone and offensive zone that has worked with any level of consistency. Quinn needs to figure it out or bring in an assistant who is a tactical genius. Either way it's on him. At some Quinn has to be held responsible for not giving his team a chance to win the game. It's demoralizing. It looks like the team isn't trying but in reality they're just not being effective. To the outside viewer there's no difference. But changing lines constantly isn't the answer. And blaming the team for a lack of effort isn't the answer. This team is not the Sabres yet. There's a good comradarie. There's still buy in. But if you go into almost every game knowing the other team knows exactly what you're going to do and you don't have the experience/strength/talent to overcome that - you're screwed. It's a non-starter.
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There is something seriously wrong with Zeb, he is a completely different player.
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Only way to be bud. I just don't see this situation turning all Edmonton or Buffalo. We've been too close to good teams in more than a couple games. Way more games than the ones where we're getting our teeth kicked in. The rebuild glass is definitely 'half-full'.
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I agree, the glass is half full, I see it that way. Just gotta get through these tough times.
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Yup. This is the shittiest part but I think we're doing so much better than some of the other teams we've all seen attempt this special type of massive overhaul.
So if Martin fixed the defnese, and Quinn needs someone to come in and fix the Offense too, what the Hell does Quinn actually do? Subcontract all the actual x/o knowledge of the game off to other guys? The only play I ever see is that stupid skate like hell with the puck toward the offensive zone and then throw it backwards so that guy can f*** up the zone entry while everyone stands still waiting for him to catch up to them.
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I don't disagree with you. But there are different ways to coach and manage. The genius of the best coaches is they know what they're good at and then they're also good delegators. I don't get the sense that Quinn is great at assessing his weaknesses. I do think he has some strengths. I think they lie in communicating to players. And getting players to work hard. But the tactical stuff is not his forte. If it was, we'd have evidence of it by this point. And it's all compounded by being a mediocre delegator. Perhaps it's an ego issue. I dunno. But the team needs more help in the tactics and strategy dept. There should be different schemes/adjustments the team practices regularly that they can throw at teams during a game. Tweaks to a system. I don't get the sense that's the case with this team but I'm probably wrong.
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The player glass IS half-full......the problem is there’s a turd called Quinn floating in it
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