24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[OneMoreTry]

Do you guys think Walman would be a good fit?

Maybe they were expecting to see Zadina there?

 

[OneMoreTry]

I just don't understand how you can be mad at those contracts.

It's not that those dollars are hurting financial flexibility.

Actually, if you overpay 5 guys by 1M each, you lack 5M you could spend for another player. So overpaying isn't the smartest thing to do, even if the players are good. And if they even suck, it only gets worse.

As much as it is great work by SY to extend Mo and Ray for only 8 or 8.5M/year, it is bad work to pay all these Comphers and Chiarots all those millions.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Mitch Marner blockbuster with extension or Ferraro incoming lol.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

Actually, if you overpay 5 guys by 1M each, you lack 5M you could spend for another player. So overpaying isn't the smartest thing to do, even if the players are good. And if they even suck, it only gets worse.

As much as it is great work by SY to extend Mo and Ray for only 8 or 8.5M/year, it is bad work to pay all these Comphers and Chiarots all those millions.

please name a gm in the history of professional sports that has never signed a poor contract

 

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

Actually, if you overpay 5 guys by 1M each, you lack 5M you could spend for another player. So overpaying isn't the smartest thing to do, even if the players are good. And if they even suck, it only gets worse.

As much as it is great work by SY to extend Mo and Ray for only 8 or 8.5M/year, it is bad work to pay all these Comphers and Chiarots all those millions.

But when your team puts up a historically bad season, is at the bottom of the league for years and has just drafted a "reach" at number 6 named Moritz Seider, guys don't want to play for you. So you have to overpay a bit to get "mid" players but one's worth the investment to help bring the future rookies along.

It raises the appeal of your club to other free agents, because they see a nucleus of vet's who work hard and a stable of prospects being brought along in a proper way. Then you land your Cats & Kanes.

As this thing chugs along, those vets that cost you "5M" come off the books and actually netted you better FA's and better players willing to be traded to the club.

It's an entire process. It's what rebuilding looks like.

 

[Redwing66]

please name a gm in the history of professional sports that has never signed a poor contract

Some are just ridiculous though - the outcry on this board when details of Holl came out were pretty much in unison and accurately described how terrible this signing was.

 

[Winger98]

please name a gm in the history of professional sports that has never signed a poor contract

I'd argue they also aren't all poor contracts. We needed guys like compher and copp up front, we needed chiarot on the blue line. And we had to pay a premium in ufa because we didn't have them in the system.

 

[roman star]

Actually, if you overpay 5 guys by 1M each, you lack 5M you could spend for another player. So overpaying isn't the smartest thing to do, even if the players are good. And if they even suck, it only gets worse.

As much as it is great work by SY to extend Mo and Ray for only 8 or 8.5M/year, it is bad work to pay all these Comphers and Chiarots all those millions.

not really when its an rebuild era when were not competing and no big ufa would want to come here anyway , plus most big ufa are older and get long term so they would be past prime when our young prospects like kasper/danielsson/cossa/asp/etc are ready . mean while these middle roster players you speak of are helping to establish team culture as the hard working team players they are . guess what ? yzerman knows better than you about running a hockey team as you may have noticed by his results in tbay , and by all his draft picks that are doing great

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

I'd argue they also aren't all poor contracts. We needed guys like compher and copp up front, we needed chiarot on the blue line. And we had to pay a premium in ufa because we didn't have them in the system.

one could also argue that the debrincat, kane, seider, and raymond's of the world wouldn't have wanted to sign here if we didn't have the base talent level of copp, compher, chiarot

 

[Euro Twins]

Actually, if you overpay 5 guys by 1M each, you lack 5M you could spend for another player. So overpaying isn't the smartest thing to do, even if the players are good. And if they even suck, it only gets worse.

As much as it is great work by SY to extend Mo and Ray for only 8 or 8.5M/year, it is bad work to pay all these Comphers and Chiarots all those millions.

Which team doesn't have 5-10m in poorly spent cap dollars?

Also at what point were we competitive and needed that cap space and missed out on a big Ufa because of bad signings?

However we do have 26m in cap space this off season. Which we can use to land a bigger fish to get us to the next level ie Marner or Rantanen, or second tier, chychrun, Duchene, Granlund, Tavares.

But keep yelling at clouds

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

The funny thing is if we just wait maybe a year or two more which sucks we will be a contender from great drafting and development but we can't wait Lmao. I just hope we don't do something dumb af because we are antsy to crawl into the playoffs.

 

[datsyukfan]

Which team doesn't have 5-10m in poorly spent cap dollars?

Also at what point were we competitive and needed that cap space and missed out on a big Ufa because of bad signings?

However we do have 26m in cap space this off season. Which we can use to land a bigger fish to get us to the next level ie Marner or Rantanen, or second tier, chychrun, Duchene, Granlund, Tavares.

But keep yelling at clouds

I mean I could argue this past offseason that we could have had a better team coming in if we hadn’t spent on a couple bad contracts.

 

[Euro Twins]

I mean I could argue this past offseason that we could have had a better team coming in if we hadn’t spent on a couple bad contracts.

Then you'd be arguing with a wall.

You have to consider we still were not a destination and the free agents you wanted didn't want you??

 

[Redwing66]

I can't help but think our window doesn't really begin to open until Cossa or Augustine are a fixture and ASP takes place on the D - would be nice if Mazur, Lombardi, Buchelnikov, MBN or Danielson hit as an offensive weapon. Agree with Yzerland that we should be patient one more year - nothing crazy, unless its a piece that puts us in a better long-term position.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Buffalo is a complete joke. Literally everyone should be on the table. They suck and have always sucked.

That’s what made me laugh when so many were verbally ejaculating talking about Buffalo being back.

Buffalo literally couldn’t have gotten better luck in their rebuild (flipped injured Eichel for a couple really good pieces, Tage Thompson became a top ten center out of nowhere, they landed two 1OAs who both seemed to hit, and even guys like Mittelstadt were okay… and they’re staring down the face of tearing it down again.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Actually, if you overpay 5 guys by 1M each, you lack 5M you could spend for another player. So overpaying isn't the smartest thing to do, even if the players are good. And if they even suck, it only gets worse.

As much as it is great work by SY to extend Mo and Ray for only 8 or 8.5M/year, it is bad work to pay all these Comphers and Chiarots all those millions.

Yzerman signed those guys to those deals to tide through the wasted Holland contracts and the Raymond/Seider extensions.

Now, guys like Chiarot and Holl and Copp and Compher all have a year or two left on their deals… and the next “big time” rookie extensions aren’t gonna happen… for the next year or two.

You can hate the contracts all you want, but they didn’t hamstring the Wings from doing anything and honestly, look at what Edmonton did until they were several years into McDavid’s career, what Buffalo has done, what Ottawa has done and a dozen other teams that don’t insulate good rookies with meh vets so the rookies don’t get their skulls caved in 8-1 every game.

 

[OneMoreTry]

But keep yelling at clouds

Are you ok? Jesus..

I get what everybody says, I‘m actually of the same opinion on many points (culture, veteran leadership), I just get annoyed by seeing Holl make 3.5 while playing like 0.5.

 

[Austrianwing]

Are you ok? Jesus..

I get what everybody says, I‘m actually of the same opinion on many points (culture, veteran leadership), I just get annoyed by seeing Holl make 3.5 while playing like 0.5.

The current conversation aside, I think 0.5 is a pretty astute estimate given the league minimum being roughly .78. The level of play is now also somewhat, but noticeably, below league minimum. Sigh.

 

[datsyukfan]

Anyone know what the pens would want for Rust? Could we get him for like bergy +2nd + a b level prospect.

You could slot him in with Larkin and Ray and then shift Kasper back to the middle to create better depth down middle.

Just a thought as I think Rust could be a very nice fit with Larkin and Ray

 

[Euro Twins]

Are you ok? Jesus..

I get what everybody says, I‘m actually of the same opinion on many points (culture, veteran leadership), I just get annoyed by seeing Holl make 3.5 while playing like 0.5.

Ya. Holl is the only contract I really take issue with. So I'm with you on that one

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

It wouldn't cost that much even. Dubas is dying to rebuild and get rid of bloated contracts. But the Pens are staying loyal to the core guys at least. Dont think that includes Rust, but take his entire contract, it wont cost much.

I dont want to help the Pens however, so no to Rust.

 

[datsyukfan]

It wouldn't cost that much even. Dubas is dying to rebuild and get rid of bloated contracts. But the Pens are staying loyal to the core guys at least. Dont think that includes Rust, but take his entire contract, it wont cost much.

I dont want to help the Pens however, so no to Rust.

To me he’s just a really nice piece to play beside Larkin and Raymond. His cap hit isn’t bad and he brings a little something that we don’t have a lot of to go along with the offense. Great buy low candidate imo

 

[cvaicunas]

Personally, I'd pair EK with Ed on the 2nd pair. Ed is mobile enough and sound positionally to let Karlsson pinch and make plays. Either keep Chia with Mo on the top, or move AlJo up.

Yea I can't imagine Chia's erratic play would pair well with EK. You could pair them together and Chia would still think he should be the roving member of the pair

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Anyone know what the pens would want for Rust? Could we get him for like bergy +2nd + a b level prospect.

You could slot him in with Larkin and Ray and then shift Kasper back to the middle to create better depth down middle.

Just a thought as I think Rust could be a very nice fit with Larkin and Ray

Rust is 32. 3 more years left. No.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Petes had mentioned Calgary may be souring on Sharangovich and he could be packaged with Andersson in a trade. Wonder what that cost would be from Detroit.

Personally I've wanted Andersson on this team for years.