24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[The Zetterberg Era]

Their GM so screwed the pooch on this. If he would have moved on this over the summer, he probably gets more from a Miller trade and doesn't let his locker room turn into a mess. Or he could have used Petersson's contract demands to move him before signing him to that big deal. Now, their #1 center still might not be happy, have to wonder if their not seeming to be interested in re-signing Boeser is fall out from it, and who knows who else is unhappy. And adding to that they had their GM going to the media to call out players earlier in the season.

The whole thing seems self-inflicted.

Your hope is he actually just hates Tocchet, but that is also kind of down to how he competes. He doesn’t seem a great fit for our dressing room and looked lifeless playing for his country too. I am not sure what is going on with him but not super interested in paying to finding out…

It is a huge risk, I get if it works out that is great. A lot of us spent all summer saying this about PLD who has been great in Washington, but something looks really off with Pettersson.

I am not sure what you do when your star players legitimately stop liking each other. Tough spot for Vancouver, while we have Swedes, it is important to remember a bunch of our USA hockey guys know Miller very well too.

 

[sepster]

Your hope is he actually just hates Tocchet, but that is also kind of down to how he competes. He doesn’t seem a great fit for our dressing room and looked lifeless playing for his country too. I am not sure what is going on with him but not super interested in paying to finding out…

It is a huge risk, I get if it works out that is great. A lot of us spent all summer saying this about PLD who has been great in Washington, but something looks really off with Pettersson.

I am not sure what you do when your star players legitimately stop liking each other. Tough spot for Vancouver, while we have Swedes, it is important to remember a bunch of our USA hockey guys know Miller very well too.

Yeah, make it what you will of the situation in Vancouver but the fact he was notably bad in the 4 Nations (there was a part of the Athletic re-cap talking about it today) should tamper, if not outright sink, any desire to take a chance on the guy at this point.

 

[izlez]

Elias Lindholm mention got me looking at Boston and Morgan Geekie and got me thinking that I have no idea how to value him and I have a lot of questions on him.

-First off, with Bergeron and Krejci retiring, Marchand being 36, and potentially missing the playoffs for the first time in a long time, would they potentially unload him?

-26 years old. 17 goals last year and 17 so far this year. That's more than Copp and Compher combined. But, assist numbers are low. Is that a sign that he has more potential to explode, or are his goal numbers flukey?

-Only makes $2 million this year and is an RFA going into next. What kind of contract will he get?

-What would it take to trade for him? I have no idea if it would be relatively cheap or very expensive. But, my mindset in bringing this up is along the lines of what Tampa did with Jeannot (failure) and Hagel (huge success). Identifying a guy that you can get on a value contract and paying to go get him.

So... is he any good? Is adding him to the team a good idea at a cheap price? Is he a guy that teams would actually pay a lot to get?

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Is this still the Red Wings rumors and trade proposal thread?

 

[sepster]

Is this still the Red Wings rumors and trade proposal thread?

No, I think that discussion is happening over in the Sandin-Pelikka thread.

 

[RRhoads]

Is this still the Red Wings rumors and trade proposal thread?

Yes, we are deciding if we want McDavid now.

 

[Ricelund]

Can we take the McDavid talk to a different thread?

 

[Winger98]

Can we take the McDavid talk to a different thread?

Moved to here. Eventually.

 

[Winger98]

Your hope is he actually just hates Tocchet, but that is also kind of down to how he competes. He doesn’t seem a great fit for our dressing room and looked lifeless playing for his country too. I am not sure what is going on with him but not super interested in paying to finding out…

It is a huge risk, I get if it works out that is great. A lot of us spent all summer saying this about PLD who has been great in Washington, but something looks really off with Pettersson.

I am not sure what you do when your star players legitimately stop liking each other. Tough spot for Vancouver, while we have Swedes, it is important to remember a bunch of our USA hockey guys know Miller very well too.

Yeah, I'm not really enthusiastic for a Pettersson trade, either, outside of a ridiculous underpay. And probably retention, because even if he rebounds to a ppg center, I think he's still $3m, overpaid for that. Especially with our cap team cap structure. But I also don't really see how Vancouver can move him, realistically retool, and keep Hughes happy in the process with his UFA looming. I think they give themselves two years to make it work, but if Hughes won't re-sign and they aren't gaining traction, you scorch earth it a bit.

Every time people downgrade locker room issues when dealing guys in and out of the org, though, I think Vancouver needs to be remembered. My interpretation from what I've seen is that it seems Miller is just a bit of a dick at times, and Vancouver didn't act fast enough when things started heading south in their room. With Miller specifically, I got the impression this isn't the first time he was moved because he had issues in the room, either.

And I still wouldn't trade for PLD. I still don't trust him. I have to point out that while he seems to be having a good season in Washington, he's still only pacing for 65 points. From looking at his career, that is the best case scenario with him, and if you don't get that you get that weird, floaty 40 point guy who talks about not knowing his role.

 

[DoMakc]

If there are no question marks about them players like Pettersson are not available. It does not meanthat i would trade everything for him, i just don't think it makes sense to do evaluation based on 3 games in a new setup in the middle of difficult season.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Yeah, I'm not really enthusiastic for a Pettersson trade, either, outside of a ridiculous underpay. And probably retention, because even if he rebounds to a ppg center, I think he's still $3m, overpaid for that. Especially with our cap team cap structure. But I also don't really see how Vancouver can move him, realistically retool, and keep Hughes happy in the process with his UFA looming. I think they give themselves two years to make it work, but if Hughes won't re-sign and they aren't gaining traction, you scorch earth it a bit.

Every time people downgrade locker room issues when dealing guys in and out of the org, though, I think Vancouver needs to be remembered. My interpretation from what I've seen is that it seems Miller is just a bit of a dick at times, and Vancouver didn't act fast enough when things started heading south in their room. With Miller specifically, I got the impression this isn't the first time he was moved because he had issues in the room, either.

And I still wouldn't trade for PLD. I still don't trust him. I have to point out that while he seems to be having a good season in Washington, he's still only pacing for 65 points. From looking at his career, that is the best case scenario with him, and if you don't get that you get that weird, floaty 40 point guy who talks about not knowing his role.

I think in Tampa Miller was not established enough to be offering those rebukes. He now is a fairly established point producer that plays the game the right way. To be fair Yzerman wasn’t a rainbows and sunshine leader when we got there either. He was hard on Fedorov behind the scenes because of his ridiculous talent level.

Hyper-competitive leadership is tough in rough patches, honestly why I don’t establish it as a leadership principal on teams as a manager in certain cases. I did install it in a really massive way when in construction for a while but we worked on piece rate, you either do it or you don’t and it was far easier to establish that culture. You make the culture for each other but you play into that concept of achievement and competition within. What Miller has always been accused of in terms of being a dick is he wears guys out. What you don’t hear in those criticisms is he is unwilling to do what he is asking. I warned a few years ago to stay away from Miller but I think it matters what dressing room you have, for instance I think he is a far better fit on our current team now even if that opportunity passed.

Pettersson has 54 points in his last 82 games. Somebody damn well should be taking him to task and I think Miller and Tocchet were trying to do something that might not necessarily be in Quinn Hughes’ wheelhouse. If people think Larkin is going to love the Laissez-faire mentality Pettersson has I don’t see it going super well as a landing spot.