24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[19 for president]

How about just don’t trade for him?

Raymond, Mo and Larkin are on super friendly team deals. Trading for a moody 11 million layer disrupts that. What incentive is there for a guy like Ed and Kasper to take a friendly deal if you get Petey?

Offering a counterpoint:

Assuming we could get him without losing significant assets. Lets say Danielson, Rasmussen, 1st (top 10 protected), 3rd. I don't want to deal Danielson but you have to give to get to some degree.

Now you take Petterson away from the media scrutiny of playing for a Canadian team, put him in a locker room without a Miller type, put him on a team where he could reasonably be behind at least Larkin, Ray, and Seider in terms of long term leadership expectations and I think you can get him back to a PPG guy. At PPG he is overpaid right now but with the cap exploding he won't be overpaid for very long. and that assumes he only hits PPG.

You could argue that it could significantly moves up our contention timeline overall. Right now we have to hope that Kasper/Danielson will turn into another Larkin level center at some point. Could be next year could be 5 years from now. If it is 5 years from now then you have to question where Larkin will be at health wise.

Instead you enter next season with something like (with Holl & Tank bought out) :

Kasper-Larkin-Ray
DBC-Petterson-MBN
Berg (2mil)-Compher-Soderblom (1.5)
Veleno-Copp-Mazur

Chiarot- Seider
Ed- Johansson (4 mil)
Gus- ASP

Cossa
Talbot

That is an 83 mil roster with almost 12 mil in cap space. That's a roster you could do some damage in the playoffs, with basically no other FA moves. (I'd personally still deal Chia and try to upgrade that spot)

The likelihood of a center that is better than Petey getting to UFA is slim. They are rarely even traded and if they are they usually have some issue (health, mood etc) and usually cost some solid assets. The last one was Eichel and that was because of his health issues.

Yeah it might cost us a few extra mil to keep Kasper and Ed long term, but now you are likely competing even sooner and thus their remaining cheap years are better used. Its probably worth it considering our top center is already 28 and we don't have anyone that looks like a for sure replacement in the system.

I do agree that it is absolutely a risk with that sort of term and money, but I can also understand the counterpoint. I should also note that I personally think this season is sort of a done deal for him. I don't expect much improvement from him even on a new team this year. Starting over in a fresh camp though is a whole new thing. You make this trade for the next 5 years, less for the immediate impact this year.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Offering a counterpoint:

Assuming we could get him without losing significant assets. Lets say Danielson, Rasmussen, 1st (top 10 protected), 3rd. I don't want to deal Danielson but you have to give to get to some degree.

Now you take Petterson away from the media scrutiny of playing for a Canadian team, put him in a locker room without a Miller type, put him on a team where he could reasonably be behind at least Larkin, Ray, and Seider in terms of long term leadership expectations and I think you can get him back to a PPG guy. At PPG he is overpaid right now but with the cap exploding he won't be overpaid for very long. and that assumes he only hits PPG.

You could argue that it could significantly moves up our contention timeline overall. Right now we have to hope that Kasper/Danielson will turn into another Larkin level center at some point. Could be next year could be 5 years from now. If it is 5 years from now then you have to question where Larkin will be at health wise.

Instead you enter next season with something like (with Holl & Tank bought out) :

Kasper-Larkin-Ray
DBC-Petterson-MBN
Berg (2mil)-Compher-Soderblom (1.5)
Veleno-Copp-Mazur

Chiarot- Seider
Ed- Johansson (4 mil)
Gus- ASP

Cossa
Talbot

That is an 83 mil roster with almost 12 mil in cap space. That's a roster you could do some damage in the playoffs, with basically no other FA moves. (I'd personally still deal Chia and try to upgrade that spot)

The likelihood of a center that is better than Petey getting to UFA is slim. They are rarely even traded and if they are they usually have some issue (health, mood etc) and usually cost some solid assets. The last one was Eichel and that was because of his health issues.

Yeah it might cost us a few extra mil to keep Kasper and Ed long term, but now you are likely competing even sooner and thus their remaining cheap years are better used. Its probably worth it considering our top center is already 28 and we don't have anyone that looks like a for sure replacement in the system.

I do agree that it is absolutely a risk with that sort of term and money, but I can also understand the counterpoint. I should also note that I personally think this season is sort of a done deal for him. I don't expect much improvement from him even on a new team this year. Starting over in a fresh camp though is a whole new thing. You make this trade for the next 5 years, less for the immediate impact this year.

Is this the same Pettersson that chose to be invisible during the four nations?

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Way off in value, imo. 20+ teams would offer more. They just got rid of Miller, if they get rid of Pettersson too their best C would be Filip Chytil. They would need a top 6 C back in return (don’t bother offering Compher/Copp)

Nobody is trading the canucks a 1c for pettersson. If they had 1 they wouldbt be making the deal. I'd hang on to pettersson but if it's really bad between the player and the team theyll have to try and get the best deal they can get and move on

Maybe make other moves with the assets they get like they did with Marcus pettersson. Maybe they can get a 3rd team involved. Maybe avs would take compher back? I know they arent happy with mittelstadt

Off the top of my head

Avs - compher,tarasenko 50%

Det - pettersson

Vanc - mittlestadt,veleno,det 2025 1st,mazur

(I know we'll likely lose danielson but let's pretend the scouts in g.r liked mazur lol)

 

[jkutswings]

Offering a counterpoint:

Assuming we could get him without losing significant assets. Lets say Danielson, Rasmussen, 1st (top 10 protected), 3rd. I don't want to deal Danielson but you have to give to get to some degree.

Now you take Petterson away from the media scrutiny of playing for a Canadian team, put him in a locker room without a Miller type, put him on a team where he could reasonably be behind at least Larkin, Ray, and Seider in terms of long term leadership expectations and I think you can get him back to a PPG guy. At PPG he is overpaid right now but with the cap exploding he won't be overpaid for very long. and that assumes he only hits PPG.

You could argue that it could significantly moves up our contention timeline overall. Right now we have to hope that Kasper/Danielson will turn into another Larkin level center at some point. Could be next year could be 5 years from now. If it is 5 years from now then you have to question where Larkin will be at health wise.

Instead you enter next season with something like (with Holl & Tank bought out) :

Kasper-Larkin-Ray
DBC-Petterson-MBN
Berg (2mil)-Compher-Soderblom (1.5)
Veleno-Copp-Mazur

Chiarot- Seider
Ed- Johansson (4 mil)
Gus- ASP

Cossa
Talbot

That is an 83 mil roster with almost 12 mil in cap space. That's a roster you could do some damage in the playoffs, with basically no other FA moves. (I'd personally still deal Chia and try to upgrade that spot)

The likelihood of a center that is better than Petey getting to UFA is slim. They are rarely even traded and if they are they usually have some issue (health, mood etc) and usually cost some solid assets. The last one was Eichel and that was because of his health issues.

Yeah it might cost us a few extra mil to keep Kasper and Ed long term, but now you are likely competing even sooner and thus their remaining cheap years are better used. Its probably worth it considering our top center is already 28 and we don't have anyone that looks like a for sure replacement in the system.

I do agree that it is absolutely a risk with that sort of term and money, but I can also understand the counterpoint. I should also note that I personally think this season is sort of a done deal for him. I don't expect much improvement from him even on a new team this year. Starting over in a fresh camp though is a whole new thing. You make this trade for the next 5 years, less for the immediate impact this year.

Whether I completely agree that EP is the right answer, I'm 100 percent on board with the logic. I'd hate to lose Danielson, but it's mandatory due diligence to fully vet situations like this to try to maximize the eventual roster to challenge for championships.

So maybe it's not this year and not this player. But you go through every opportunity with a fine toothed comb until you find the right move(s).

 

[RedHawkDown]

Offering a counterpoint:

Assuming we could get him without losing significant assets. Lets say Danielson, Rasmussen, 1st (top 10 protected), 3rd. I don't want to deal Danielson but you have to give to get to some degree.

Now you take Petterson away from the media scrutiny of playing for a Canadian team, put him in a locker room without a Miller type, put him on a team where he could reasonably be behind at least Larkin, Ray, and Seider in terms of long term leadership expectations and I think you can get him back to a PPG guy. At PPG he is overpaid right now but with the cap exploding he won't be overpaid for very long. and that assumes he only hits PPG.

You could argue that it could significantly moves up our contention timeline overall. Right now we have to hope that Kasper/Danielson will turn into another Larkin level center at some point. Could be next year could be 5 years from now. If it is 5 years from now then you have to question where Larkin will be at health wise.

Instead you enter next season with something like (with Holl & Tank bought out) :

Kasper-Larkin-Ray
DBC-Petterson-MBN
Berg (2mil)-Compher-Soderblom (1.5)
Veleno-Copp-Mazur

Chiarot- Seider
Ed- Johansson (4 mil)
Gus- ASP

Cossa
Talbot

That is an 83 mil roster with almost 12 mil in cap space. That's a roster you could do some damage in the playoffs, with basically no other FA moves. (I'd personally still deal Chia and try to upgrade that spot)

The likelihood of a center that is better than Petey getting to UFA is slim. They are rarely even traded and if they are they usually have some issue (health, mood etc) and usually cost some solid assets. The last one was Eichel and that was because of his health issues.

Yeah it might cost us a few extra mil to keep Kasper and Ed long term, but now you are likely competing even sooner and thus their remaining cheap years are better used. Its probably worth it considering our top center is already 28 and we don't have anyone that looks like a for sure replacement in the system.

I do agree that it is absolutely a risk with that sort of term and money, but I can also understand the counterpoint. I should also note that I personally think this season is sort of a done deal for him. I don't expect much improvement from him even on a new team this year. Starting over in a fresh camp though is a whole new thing. You make this trade for the next 5 years, less for the immediate impact this year.

I completely agree. At this point I think taking a risk on a player like Pettersson is not a bad idea especially with the cap going up so much. It's risky, for sure, but it's the kind of trade that can set the Wings up for years of cup contention. Add Pettersson (w/ Danielson in the deal), add K. Miller for futures, and in a few years you could be looking at a roster like:

Buchelnikov - Pettersson - Raymond
DeBrincat - Larkin - Kasper
UFA/Plante - Rasmussen - MBN
Soderblom - Veleno - Mazur
UFA

Miller-Seider
Edvinsson-ASP
Chiarot-Johansson

Cossa
Augustine

If Petterson is a 100 pt Selke-level player as he was 2 years ago, this roster is a perennial contender.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Well, you make the trade with the expectation/hope that he gets back to his 100-point self, which he absolutely has the talent to do. It's risky, but an opportunity to get a player of his calibre for the (relatively) cheap price it would cost given the risk involved rarely ever comes along.

If Pettersson gets back to scoring 100 pts a year, 11.5 is a team-friendly deal. 2022-2023 Petterson scored 102 pts while playing extremely good defense. He was a much better player than anybody on our team right now, including Raymond, Mo and Larkin. If he can get back there, then Ed and Kasper have nothing to complain about, as he absolutely deserves 11.5 at that levle of play. But of course you make that trade as a gamble, as he could continue to downtrend and then you're stuck with the contract.

But I just have a feeling he explodes after leaving Vancouver. Can anyone name a player who had this level of skill and proven performance in his first 3-4 years and then just became a perenneal 60pt player after that? I can't think of a single person.

Playing devil’s advocate here, but Sergei Fedorov. Ryan Nugent Hopkins. Bernie Nichols. There’s a couple. Just because a guy scored 100 points one year doesn’t mean he’s going to do it every year.

I don’t think Pettersson is mentally tough. I think he’s a guy that scored a ton of points in a SUPER weak pacific division that year. Looking at the 22-23 season, he played 26 games, 38 points. 11 points in 4 games against the Ducks.

Then he was only 16 points and -6 in 16 games against the Atlantic, the division he would play more if he were traded to Detroit. He was also -7 in 16 games against the Metropolitan division. That Canucks team scored 270 gf but gave up 296 goals against. So not much defense was being played by that team.

They were better the following year but again I point to how weak that pacific division was; Every division in the league but the pacific had 2 sub .500 teams. The pacific? 4.

The east is undoubtedly tougher than the west, and the Atlantic is much stronger than the pacific. The team that Pettersson scored the most points against last year? Detroit with Fester coaching. The Atlantic has been the toughest division for years and that doesn’t look to be changing anytime soon with Ottawa, Detroit and even Montreal moving up the standings.

I personally view Pettersson as a mid-tier 1st line center that’s capable of 75ish points a season. That’s nothing to scoff at, but he’s not as good defensively as billed. Then factor in he really doesn’t show up often in big games, while being paid like a guy that is a perennial 100 point player.

No thank you. I’d rather trade for a player that isn’t a moody, overpaid bitch. He’s not better than Larkin. He wouldn’t replace Larkin as 1C. And he certainly shouldn’t get paid more than Larkin.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Playing devil’s advocate here, but Sergei Fedorov. Ryan Nugent Hopkins. Bernie Nichols. There’s a couple. Just because a guy scored 100 points one year doesn’t mean he’s going to do it every year.

I don’t think Pettersson is mentally tough. I think he’s a guy that scored a ton of points in a SUPER weak pacific division that year. Looking at the 22-23 season, he played 26 games, 38 points. 11 points in 4 games against the Ducks.

Then he was only 16 points and -6 in 16 games against the Atlantic, the division he would play more if he were traded to Detroit. He was also -7 in 16 games against the Metropolitan division. That Canucks team scored 270 gf but gave up 296 goals against. So not much defense was being played by that team.

They were better the following year but again I point to how weak that pacific division was; Every division in the league but the pacific had 2 sub .500 teams. The pacific? 4.

The east is undoubtedly tougher than the west, and the Atlantic is much stronger than the pacific. The team that Pettersson scored the most points against last year? Detroit with Fester coaching. The Atlantic has been the toughest division for years and that doesn’t look to be changing anytime soon with Ottawa, Detroit and even Montreal moving up the standings.

I personally view Pettersson as a mid-tier 1st line center that’s capable of 75ish points a season. That’s nothing to scoff at, but he’s not as good defensively as billed. Then factor in he really doesn’t show up often in big games, while being paid like a guy that is a perennial 100 point player.

No thank you. I’d rather trade for a player that isn’t a moody, overpaid bitch. He’s not better than Larkin. He wouldn’t replace Larkin as 1C. And he certainly shouldn’t get paid more than Larkin.

I think all of those are pretty bad examples to be honest. I'm not sure that Fedorov, one of the best Russian playres of all time, who became a lower-scoring player once he decided to dominate defensively, is a good example of a guy who scored 100+ and then legitimately fell off in ability. That's not really at all what happened with Feds.

Nuge scored 104 points in his 12th NHL season. That's not even remotely comparable to Pettersson doing it at age 23. Nichols, again, scored 100 pts, then exploded with 150 a few years later, and then was still a PPG player for the majority of the rest of his career. Those were just prime years, not like he went from a 100 pt player to a 50-60pt/82g one. That's just not what happened.

You can nitpick his performance against certain teams, but fact is that a player like Pettersson who has the skill he has and has put up the numbers he has almost never just becomes trash for the rest of his career. It hasn't really happened and the examples you give are not examples of it, at all really.

I think if you watched Pettersson during those Vanocuver years, you would have a different perspective. He was absolutely unstoppable, and a defensive beast. The team around him wasn't the best. His linemates were Kuzmenko and Mikheyev.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

I completely agree. At this point I think taking a risk on a player like Pettersson is not a bad idea especially with the cap going up so much. It's risky, for sure, but it's the kind of trade that can set the Wings up for years of cup contention. Add Pettersson (w/ Danielson in the deal), add K. Miller for futures, and in a few years you could be looking at a roster like:

Buchelnikov - Pettersson - Raymond
DeBrincat - Larkin - Kasper
UFA/Plante - Rasmussen - MBN
Soderblom - Veleno - Mazur
UFA

Miller-Seider
Edvinsson-ASP
Chiarot-Johansson

Cossa
Augustine

If Petterson is a 100 pt Selke-level player as he was 2 years ago, this roster is a perennial contender.

I also had k miller in mind for top pairing with maybe buium in few years with johansson on the 3rd pair

If no one busts ina few yrs

Kasper pettersson raymond
Buchelnikov larkin nygaard
Lombardi danielson soberblom
James Rasmussen mazur

I cant see yzerman giving debrincat a 7 year deal,most is maybe 4 ? I think hes gone regardless in a few years and if the kids pan out and k miller is still a ranger maybe a deal with those players involved

If we dont get pettersson put Larkin 1c and cozens 2c

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I think all of those are pretty bad examples to be honest. I'm not sure that Fedorov, one of the best Russian playres of all time, who became a lower-scoring player once he decided to dominate defensively, is a good example of a guy who scored 100+ and then legitimately fell off in ability. That's not really at all what happened with Feds.

Nuge scored 104 points in his 12th NHL season. That's not even remotely comparable to Pettersson doing it at age 23. Nichols, again, scored 100 pts, then exploded with 150 a few years later, and then was still a PPG player for the majority of the rest of his career. Those were just prime years, not like he went from a 100 pt player to a 50-60pt/82g one. That's just not what happened.

You can nitpick his performance against certain teams, but fact is that a player like Pettersson who has the skill he has and has put up the numbers he has almost never just becomes trash for the rest of his career. It hasn't really happened and the examples you give are not examples of it, at all really.

I think if you watched Pettersson during those Vanocuver years, you would have a different perspective. He was absolutely unstoppable, and a defensive beast. The team around him wasn't the best. His linemates were Kuzmenko and Mikheyev.

My dude, I live north of Seattle. I go to Vancouver games a few times a year and watch Vancouver on TV almost as much as I watch the Wings because my wife is a fan. He’s not as good as billed.

I don’t think he’s a trash player but I think he’s the definition of star level talent but zero drive.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Is this the same Pettersson that chose to be invisible during the four nations?

Lol it was two meaningful games. McDavid is the best player of all time and has quiet nights.

 

[roman star]

dont want a thing to do with the petersson head case . and if going to get away from the good salary structure that lark-ray-sidz have blessed us with ide rather pay rant or marn the big coin without it costing any assets

 

[RedHawkDown]

My dude, I live north of Seattle. I go to Vancouver games a few times a year and watch Vancouver on TV almost as much as I watch the Wings because my wife is a fan. He’s not as good as billed.

I don’t think he’s a trash player but I think he’s the definition of star level talent but zero drive.

Agree to disagree, I guess. I think he's been kinda bad the last year but was a superstar in 22-23.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Agree to disagree, I guess. I think he's been kinda bad the last year but was a superstar in 22-23.

Agree to disagree, then. He tore up really bad teams in the pacific and has shown zero interest in playing winning hockey since getting his bag.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

My dude, I live north of Seattle. I go to Vancouver games a few times a year and watch Vancouver on TV almost as much as I watch the Wings because my wife is a fan. He’s not as good as billed.

I don’t think he’s a trash player but I think he’s the definition of star level talent but zero drive.

Can also echo this as a large portion of my friends are Canucks fans and I follow the team frequently

Let's just say this; I've asked many of them who they'd rather have traded between Pettersson and Miller and the overwhelmingly resounding answer appears to be a hesitant "well, eh, Miller did have some stuff he was saying in that locker room, etc, etc"

If Pettersson is a 100 point, Selke-esque #1C who leads by example, the answer should be without any second thought a unanimous "absolutely trade Miller no questions asked, let Petey run this show"

What I hear from the more defensive Canucks fans is them banking on what Pettersson has previously been, and not what he currently is. Elite players can definitely go through mid-season slumps, but not entire calendar year long slumps. Unless they're legitimately injured. If you're paid 11.6m, and 3.6m more than they guy who just went out the door, you better step the f*** up, brother

I remember when people had concerns about MacKinnon barking at players during practice if they missed a pass, and he doesn't even have a C on his jersey. Sure, if the rumours about Miller are true then so be it. You cannot doubt that the guy went out on the ice and gave it 100%, putting the offense on his back. Even last year's playoffs where it matters he came up big vs McDavid and co. What has Pettersson done, really, to etch himself in a tier above guys like Larkin anyway?

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Lol it was two meaningful games. McDavid is the best player of all time and has quiet nights.

Of all time? Based on what? He is great but of all time?

 

[SirloinUB]

Of all time? Based on what? He is great but of all time?

Yes.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Lol it was two meaningful games. McDavid is the best player of all time and has quiet nights.

Sure

But it's on top of choosing to be invisible allseason

At some point he's the issue

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Sure

But it's on top of choosing to be invisible allseason

At some point he's the issue

He chose to?

Did I miss an article?

Sorry, just asking cause I don't remember that.

 

[Winger98]

Any interest in Lindholm or Horvat if Boston or NYI put them on the market?

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Any interest in Lindholm or Horvat if Boston or NYI put them on the market?

No from me.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Compher (waives)
Wallinder
Hanas

For

Dickinson
2025 4th

 

[norrisnick]

Any interest in Lindholm or Horvat if Boston or NYI put them on the market?

If we can get a similar deal like Vegas got for Hertl, sure.

For those that don't remember the Hertl deal. Vegas got Hertl, a 1st, and $2M in retention on Hertl for a 2nd, 3rd, and a prospect.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

He chose to?

Did I miss an article?

Sorry, just asking cause I don't remember that.

That's right...he's solely responsible for his uninspired poor play

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Yes.

Zero Stanley cups doesn't make you the greatest of all time. He has potential but to crown him already is very premature.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

Any interest in Lindholm or Horvat if Boston or NYI put them on the market?

Lindholm? Hell no.

Horvat, yes.