24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[Frk It]

So, what's both of your points since I can't answer your rhetorical questions?

Red Wings are worst with these guys on the roster? 1st rdp + Good prospect like Danielson + cap dump like Veleno/Holl is too much?

His team doesn’t think he can handle more than 15 minute a night and he’s 35.

I’m not too confident he is a tangible upgrade over Holl. I’m definitely not giving them any assets to find out.

Might as well call up Marc Staal and ask him if he wants to un-retire.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

The thing is Buffalo can't afford to lose this trade, especially to a divisional rival. You'd have to expect to move a top prospect. Your proposal is a no brainer for Detroit but I don't see it being enough. If a 1st, Compher Veleno and a B level prospect is enough they will probably find a dance partner that isn't within their division.

Reinhart is also a poor comparison because he was a year or two way from Free Agency.

Sabres have been losing trades for 100 years lol

I cant see any team giving up a top prospect or too 6 player producing for cozens who's been struggling for 2 years and has that contract at the moment. Sabres are fu*ked. Theyll lose the trade

Only chance is if canucks are just fed up pettersson. They can always like canucks did with Marcus pettersson and deal the 1st + for k miller,zebgras etc.. (not that i want them to) so it ends up like compher veleno k'Miller kiiskinen for cozens and rosen( say Rosen and 1st for miller)

They'd then have power miller samuelsson at d and byram becomes another big trade chip

Flip him for zegras ?? I'd have to check who else might be on the market but out of the top of my head

Cozens + byram+ rosen turns into miller zegras compher veleno kiiskinen

Alot easier said than done but I think they might have to flip the 1st for another deal to try and come out good

Reinhart had a good year before he was a ufa and wasnt coming off 2 bad seasons and a contract that scares teams. I dont see buffalo getting a huge get in one deal unless its pettersson

 

[TCNorthstars]

I just want Stevie to make a trade to help this team.

Surpassing the Sens (who are insufferable) would make it worth it.

f*** it. Get EP40, Cozens, Soucy, all of ‘em.

What do they need help with? Seems like they are doing pretty good right now.

 

[SirloinUB]

What do they need help with? Seems like they are doing pretty good right now.

I hate to rain on the parade but this Under McLellan we have the 8th worst expected goals %

This team is very much a work in progress. It's going the right direction but there is a long way to go.

 

[dtown77]

I'd like to get a bottom pairing defensive defenseman. Someone who can grind and chew up some minutes. I have no clue who that would be, but it makes me nervous every time i see that bottom pair skate onto the ice.

 

[RedHawkDown]

What do they need help with? Seems like they are doing pretty good right now.

2nd line C, another top 6 winger, better partner for Seider, and a functional #5D to kick Holl out of the lineup.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

So, what's both of your points since I can't answer your rhetorical questions?

Red Wings are worst with these guys on the roster? 1st rdp + Good prospect like Danielson + cap dump like Veleno/Holl is too much?

They are too old for our competitive window. People need to bury this desire to make a trade simply to chase a playoff spot this year. Any trade needs to make us better when we are expected to be competitive in the playoffs. Making a trade simply to make the playoffs as an 8 seed is foolish.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

2nd line C, another top 6 winger, better partner for Seider, and a functional #5D to kick Holl out of the lineup.

Don't chase a 2C even though we need one. just focus on a good middle pair defensemen with term and a legit top six offensive forward.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

What do they need help with? Seems like they are doing pretty good right now.

They're doing really good ,better than I expected cause the defense overall is shit and expected edvinsson and Johansson to have growing pains

Johansson and edvinsson have exceeded expectations. Always said this team would take the next step when the kids arrive and take over ... kasper has been great,soderblom as well berggren is playing good

I still think this team needs some adds not just for now but longterm . 2c can wait till the off season, if we want to make sure we get in the playoffs and not get knocked out in 4 and make some noise we need d help

Gustaffson holl petry when back will be our downfall

Oleksiak soucy miller hague would be targets. Wouldnt just be rentals

 

[HoweFan]

2nd line C, another top 6 winger, better partner for Seider, and a functional #5D to kick Holl out of the lineup.

That shouldn’t cost too much

 

[DavidpauseReinbacher]

Well maybe someone else but Danielson then, but I figured they'd want a pretty good prospect coming back. Ryan O'Rielly legitmately isn't bad still and very useful as a middle line center.

Schenn would just replace Holl.

These type of hypotheticals make me wanna brick another human being in head.

 

[Snuggs]

They are too old for our competitive window. People need to bury this desire to make a trade simply to chase a playoff spot this year. Any trade needs to make us better when we are expected to be competitive in the playoffs. Making a trade simply to make the playoffs as an 8 seed is foolish.

Well, we're playing really good right now, and could even be in a better position come TDL, if that's the case I'd say we're a competitive team.

I didn't suggest the bolded ever, but you do this rhetorical argument thing with yourself to prove your own point.

I think the teams pretty competitive and playing better than an 8th seed right now, they can position themselves for a competitive playoff series and not a quick 4 or 5 games and out. (imo)

These type of hypotheticals make me wanna brick another human being in head.

You'd have too, You are too small to do anything else.

 

[KJoe88]

What do they need help with? Seems like they are doing pretty good right now.

We need a #2C. A legitimate one. Can we get by with Copp or JT? Maybe.

But the team is playing well and Stevie needs to throw them a bone.

So to speak.

Don't chase a 2C even though we need one. just focus on a good middle pair defensemen with term and a legit top six offensive forward.

This is fine too.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

NSH can probably get a 1st out of ROR, which Yzerman would likely not touch.

It’s a bad draft year. I’m all for giving up a 1st for ROR if one of Veleno, Compher or Copp are thrown in.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

They're doing really good ,better than I expected cause the defense overall is shit and expected edvinsson and Johansson to have growing pains

Johansson and edvinsson have exceeded expectations. Always said this team would take the next step when the kids arrive and take over ... kasper has been great,soderblom as well berggren is playing good

I still think this team needs some adds not just for now but longterm . 2c can wait till the off season, if we want to make sure we get in the playoffs and not get knocked out in 4 and make some noise we need d help

Gustaffson holl petry when back will be our downfall

Oleksiak soucy miller hague would be targets. Wouldnt just be rentals

What would you offer for Hague?

 

[TCNorthstars]

We need a #2C. A legitimate one. Can we get by with Copp or JT? Maybe.

But the team is playing well and Stevie needs to throw them a bone.

So to speak.


This is fine too.

What 2c’s are available? What are you willing to give up to get it?

I'd like to get a bottom pairing defensive defenseman. Someone who can grind and chew up some minutes. I have no clue who that would be, but it makes me nervous every time i see that bottom pair skate onto the ice.

Not many minutes to chew up with Ed and Mo anchoring a pairing.

 

[DavidpauseReinbacher]

Well, we're playing really good right now, and could even be in a better position come TDL, if that's the case I'd say we're a competitive team.

I didn't suggest the bolded ever, but you do this rhetorical argument thing with yourself to prove your own point.

I think the teams pretty competitive and playing better than an 8th seed right now, they can position themselves for a competitive playoff series and not a quick 4 or 5 games and out. (imo)


You'd have too, You are too small to do anything else.

Hahah. Don't think I'll have to do much tubby.

Soderblom sucks. He's never making the NHL. The rest I agree with, and I'd give a darkhorse shot to another defensemen like Toumisto or Buium.

Buchelnikov I can't tell enough people. He's never going to play a game in the AHL/ECHL.(outside of conditioning) He'll play in Russia and legitimately make more money. You'd do the same exact thing if you were Russian. You'd do it now as an American. (Play in Russia for double, or more)

I just can't understand why people think Buch would want come play hockey for less money which is what you are asking him to do when you send him or any Russian in the AHL, it's why there's like NONE if you look around the AHL.

By your own admission you can't evaluate Jack shit so maybe you shouldn't be throwing our best prospects into hypotheticals?

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

What would you offer for Hague?

6'6 like 250 26 years old so he can be here longterm with the young core. Capable of playing on the top 2 pairs and playing 20 mins,penalty kill

Unfortunately with the cap going up I think theyll be able to keep him if they decide to

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

6'6 like 250 26 years old so he can be here longterm with the young core. Capable of playing on the top 2 pairs and playing 20 mins,penalty kill

Unfortunately with the cap going up I think theyll be able to keep him if they decide to

Fair.

But, you didn't answer my question.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

The roster spot would be the bigger limiting factor than the salary, if we go with Cam, Cossa, and Lyon. Also Lyon may not want to sign up for a trip situation.

the other option is that we can sign lyon to say, a 3 year deal. lyon could be the starter with cossa backing him up and talbot filling in for injuries or poor play. then in year 2 cossa could take more of the workload and then switch roles for year 3

and then lyon or talbot could be a nice trade piece if cossa shows out

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Fair.

But, you didn't answer my question.

oh sorry , thought I seen you asking what I liked about him guess I'm losing it lol

I would have tried a 2nd to start but by the looks of it seems hes on the top pair for now unless I read wrong. If we make the playoffs or pick like 20ish I'd send it if he resigns. Dont think its a trade vegas does now

1st + wallinder ??? Hes 26 so he can be here a long time. Wallinder would be expendable cause we'd have hague and edvinsson and johansson can always go back to the left it we ever needed to + buium & cleveland in the system still and free agency

 

[lilidk]

Elmer here to stay, means too many forwards and none of them bad, Yzerman should trade

I still have time for Cozens. I don't think he would take that much to get, given his salary and real questions about his upside moving forward. It's not a zero-risk move for us.

Buffalo needs competent veterans, not more prospects, as they have those out the ass.

I'd offer something like Compher + Veleno/Berggren + Wallinder + 2025 2nd, and I think that gets it done.

Wonder if Cozens was targeted for first line , but Kasper is doing pretty good there and we are no longer trying to get him