And he would have to conform with the rest of the Swede Mafia on the Wings...Or risk getting snu'ss'ed out...
24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.
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Don't hate oleksiak for what he would bring, but could it be said that he is just a taller chiarot? Legit asking, haven't seen him play as much. I do remember him being pretty good on dallas and remember him somewhat on pittsburgh but haven't seen him play at all on seattle.
If he is just another chiarot but taller, then I would rather just keep chiarot if it takes more than a 1-for-1 to get him with chiarot going the other way.
Unless of course they take something else like holl+veleno. I would do that deal because then we keep chiarot who hasn't been playing bad at all, have him and oleksiak switch playing with seider here and there to see what fits best, and all of a sudden you have a solidified top two lines on defense with the third pairing not being totally useless.
oleksiak - seider
ed - aljo
chiarot - petry (if he ever comes back I guess?)/gustaffson
I would love to see gustaffson out of here though. not more than holl, but almost equal.
He hasn't been as good as he was in dallas but seattle is also a much weaker team. He's capable of playing a ton of minutes and can I'd say hes be a food shutdown dman to pair with seider who can then be more free offensively
I'm sure we can convince them to take gustaffson in the deal. Rather get rid of holl but thay way gustafsson is off the books next season and we can buy our holl to get another spot for wallinder/tuomisto/buium
I'd prefer miller ,hague but I think oleksiak could be a good option and likely the one to move. Hes got an extra year so wouldnt be a rental. Obviously wouldnt give up a 1st ,2nd rounder is highest I'd go
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If Nashville is doing their rebuild plan, I'd take a look at ROR and/or L. Schenn. Both were guys I wanted in that 2023 free agency class and could shore up the 2C/3rd pair RD positions. Just wondering what either or both would cost.
NSH can probably get a 1st out of ROR, which Yzerman would likely not touch.
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I’m probably in the minority, but I’d actually re-sign Lyon. Cossa may be doing great in the AHL, but is he ready for the workload that will come with backing up a 38 year old? Is he ready to jump from 1 or a handful of NHL games to 30? 40 or 50 if Talbot has a big injury? We’ll be fighting like a dog for a playoff spot, is he ready for that pressure? He’s a huge kid at 6’6”, is he absolved from the concerns about big guys taking longer to arrive because he’s a goalie?
I don’t know. It just seems like a lot of risk to take on with Lyon sitting in our laps. We could probably get Cossa ~15 games next year just through injuries and scheduled rests for the 38 year old. (We’ve already used our 3rd string goalie 8-9 times this year.) And with the cap going up so much over the next 3 years, any contract we give Lyon would be negligible by comparison ($4.5M to compete with UFA suitors?). It also gives us one more asset to trade if we re-sign Lyon but Cossa proves next season he’s ready for a solid workload.
I don’t know. It just seems like a lot of risk to take on with Lyon sitting in our laps. We could probably get Cossa ~15 games next year just through injuries and scheduled rests for the 38 year old. (We’ve already used our 3rd string goalie 8-9 times this year.) And with the cap going up so much over the next 3 years, any contract we give Lyon would be negligible by comparison ($4.5M to compete with UFA suitors?). It also gives us one more asset to trade if we re-sign Lyon but Cossa proves next season he’s ready for a solid workload.
What more does Cossa have to prove though? At some point you need to take the leap and let the kid play. Have a vet goalie like a Jack Campbell sitting in GR in case things start off rocky for Cossa and he needs some more time, but with his numbers and development I think it is malpractice to not have him in Detroit next year alongside talbot
That he’s capable of playing NHL hockey? He’s still an unknown commodity in that regard, both performance wise and with respect to mentality. You could tack on stamina to that as well, considering he could have to play a ton of NHL games if Talbot goes down. He could easily have a rough go of it at the NHL level starting out and if that comes while Talbot is injured, having a guy who hasn’t played NHL hockey since 2023 isn’t going to be your savior.
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And just how the f*** is he supposed to do that in the AHL? Have a backup plan, sure. But plan A needs to be Cossa in the NHL getting as many starts as he's capable of. Not a crumb start every other week. They should have been bringing him up rather than Husso this season. And not bring him up and let him rot for a week. Play him at the highest level available.
You're describing the same path that Johansson had with Lalonde here. That's not a recipe for developing players.
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Yeah I think Cossa needs to be at least your default backup next year with him getting a good chunk of starts. With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if we hung onto Lyon as a #3. Sign him for 2 years with the plan for him to be Cossa's backup two seasons from now. Gives us a backup plan if Talbot gets injured or Cossa doesn't look ready (I don't think that will happen with Cossa). It would definitely be a luxury next year though. Like if Yzerman doesn't think he can swing Marner, Rantanen, or Ehlers and we are just going to have the cap space I could see him keeping him around.
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The roster spot would be the bigger limiting factor than the salary, if we go with Cam, Cossa, and Lyon. Also Lyon may not want to sign up for a trip situation.
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Yes I could see Lyon saying no; especially if he can get a starter spot elsewhere. If the Wings are willing to give him a Talbot deal though and he is looking at a backup at best position elsewhere I could see him opting to stick with the Wings.
The roster spot is a good point, but do we have anyone out of waiver options next year that might be in that tweener spot like Aljo was at the beginning of this year? If not I don't think its a huge issue because we have so many guys close at the AHL level that don't have to pass through waivers. I think Soderblom is the only guy that is close, but if he keeps up his play I'd be surprised if he wasn't fully on the team.
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Not so sure pointing to what seems like a great example of bringing a prospect along slowly is doing a great job of supporting the idea of getting a guy to the NHL ASAP.
Anyway, lets check on some of the other young goalie prospects and see if they are doing well being thrown into the NHL...
| Knight | ||
| Age | GP | Sv% |
| 19 | 4 | 0.919 |
| 20 | 32 | 0.908 |
| 21 | 21 | 0.901 |
| 23 | 21 | 0.906 |
| Wallstedt | ||
| Age | GP | Sv% |
| 21 | 3 | 0.897 |
| 22 | 2 | 0.843 |
| Wolf | ||
| Age | GP | Sv% |
| 22 | 17 | 0.893 |
| 23 | 30 | 0.917 |
| Askarov | ||
| Month | GP | Sv% |
| November | 2 | 0.927 |
| December | 3 | 0.908 |
| January | 8 | 0.882 |
Getting these guys NHL time sooner than is being proposed with Cossa isn't exactly looking like a strong case
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To be fair Cossa will be 23 shortly after the start of next season (Nov 21st Birthday) so he is somewhat being slow rolled. I'd argue that Cossa has looked better or equal to a lot of these guys in the AHL. I think team's also need to be considered to when playing rookie goalies. Like Askarov's numbers aren't great but SJ is a dumpster fire. Knights probably look better than they are because of the Panther's D. I'd say Wally and Wolf's circumstances are the most similar to ours with Cossa. Wolf backed up 1 season and is now starting. From all reports he has been the backbone of Calgary's success this year. Wally has struggled but again its hard to judge NHL stats off of 2 or 3 games. In this case both of his games were on the 2nd half of back to backs, where teams usually play worse overall.
I don't think anyone is saying Cossa should be handed the starter job next season, but I think its reasonable to plan for him to be your backup. Talbot's 2 year deal very much felt like a plan for Cossa's eventual take over as starter. If Cossa plays better than an NHL rookie goalie he can get more starts. If not they probably do like a 35 (Cossa)- 47 (Talbot) split. I could see them signing a Lyon or Lyon like goalie as insurance, so they could send Cossa down if he really struggled. I don't anticipate that though.
One thing to consider: Yzerman has proven to be very risk adverse with his goalies and has placed a lot of value on depth.
