24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[TheOctopusKid]

This franchise makes so little sense it is absolutely wild to me. I mean as much as people complain about Yzerman and this rebuild there is a reason why he didn't rush all of his young guys into the NHL just to have them exposed. It creates a losing culture.

How does a team with the skill of Thompson, Power, Byram, Dahlin, Peterka, Tuch, Cozens, etc fail this epically.

Sorry, going to hijack your point..

It's also one of the reasons I don't really understand the sheer amount of hate that our older vets get like Copp, Compher, Perron, etc. He added those players to the team because he didn't want the young guys to get caved but also to give them an experienced, veteran leader of high character to go "Hey, yeah it's rough, but keep your head up and stay focused on..." I know that they aren't that talented or good, or make too much, or whatever. These guys were never in the long term plans and are here to provide buffer and support as our young guys get used to be being a professional athlete and develop good habits. BUF is a great example of basically a lot of talent with no leadership, experience, or mentoring. Are the still talented? Sure, have these guys ever reached their potential? Probably not but I can't blame the players because quite frankly there were thrown into the fire and got chewed up.

 

[Winger98]

I must have missed the Wings rumored offer for Cozens. Anyone know it?

I'm not sure there was ever a leak but a few suggested Kasper was likely a target of Buffalo's.

This franchise makes so little sense it is absolutely wild to me. I mean as much as people complain about Yzerman and this rebuild there is a reason why he didn't rush all of his young guys into the NHL just to have them exposed. It creates a losing culture.

How does a team with the skill of Thompson, Power, Byram, Dahlin, Peterka, Tuch, Cozens, etc fail this epically.

yeah, that club has issues. I mean, I question Thompson and Cozens at center, and I don't like their lack of balance on the blueline (Dahlin, Power, Byram, and Samuellsson are all lefties) but I think they could also use some glue guys. Sam Bennett could be a huge get for them. Brad Marchand could be huge. Even a guy like Tanev who'd go through a wall if asked to.

edit: what @TheOctopusKid said

 

[minimal]

Ready to pivot from a desire for EP40 to laughing at Buffalo for trading for him. Not sure if that's the kind of player/personality they need on that team.

 

[Snuggs]

Buffalo is such a poverty franchise. Just sell the team lol


I would definitely be interested in him but it probably starts with ASP + a first at that point no..

I've dreamed my whole life buying them or the Mighty Ducks. Should have concentrated on money over hockey as a young fella because I still circled back on the farm...

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

This is so badass. I want a t-shirt of this lol

*This was suppose to be in the game day thread.* Anyway , I would like to go after:
Boeser
Byram
Cozens
EP
Power
All for the right price of course.

 

[19 for president]

Sorry, going to hijack your point..

It's also one of the reasons I don't really understand the sheer amount of hate that our older vets get like Copp, Compher, Perron, etc. He added those players to the team because he didn't want the young guys to get caved but also to give them an experienced, veteran leader of high character to go "Hey, yeah it's rough, but keep your head up and stay focused on..." I know that they aren't that talented or good, or make too much, or whatever. These guys were never in the long term plans and are here to provide buffer and support as our young guys get used to be being a professional athlete and develop good habits. BUF is a great example of basically a lot of talent with no leadership, experience, or mentoring. Are the still talented? Sure, have these guys ever reached their potential? Probably not but I can't blame the players because quite frankly there were thrown into the fire and got chewed up.

I think there is some area to critique in that he over signed a few people. Like you can do Copp or Compher but probably don't need both. Maybe Holl or Petry but again not both. This offseason maybe you go Kane or Tank not both. With that said I think this past off season is the 1st one where I can maybe say that his signings put us in a bit of a wonky cap spot but nothing drastically terrible. Mostly though its allowed us not to rush guys.

I am 100% pro the buffer. Look at how hard these seasons have been on Larkin, now imagine doing that to guys fresh out the draft. You need vets that are good guys and are willing to mentor and take those hard questions. I think losing Perron really hurt the locker room a bit this season. He was the vocal guy last year that rallied the young guys (since we all know Lalonde wasn't going to do it...) When we lost him there was no one left to rally the troops and its one of the reasons we bombed hard.

The only guy I can say that I feel like they held back some was Ed. Kasper's 10 games is a whatever for me, but if Ed is up a bit sooner last year I do think we probably make the playoffs.

Its a fine line to walk, but I am glad we didn't go the way of Edm & Buf in terms of throwing our young skilled guys to the wolves. Unless you luck into a McDavid or Crosby level guy you are way more likely to mess up your culture doing that then not.

 

[SirloinUB]

*This was suppose to be in the game day thread.* Anyway , I would like to go after:
Boeser
Byram
Cozens
EP
Power
All for the right price of course.

Thoughts on trading a 1st + MBN/Buium/Mazur + Ras/Bergy for Boeser and offering him a 6-8 year extension for $8M?

It all feels rich for my taste but I like the idea of adding Boeser

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Thoughts on trading a 1st + MBN/Buium/Mazur + Ras/Bergy for Boeser and offering him a 6-8 year extension for $8M?

It all feels rich for my taste but I like the idea of adding Boeser

I personally would pass on that price. Had only one 40 goal season. Maybe if he was a center.

 

[RRhoads]

Thoughts on trading a 1st + MBN/Buium/Mazur + Ras/Bergy for Boeser and offering him a 6-8 year extension for $8M?

It all feels rich for my taste but I like the idea of adding Boeser

Big no for me. I don't want him for free at 8M.

 

[norrisnick]

Thoughts on trading a 1st + MBN/Buium/Mazur + Ras/Bergy for Boeser and offering him a 6-8 year extension for $8M?

It all feels rich for my taste but I like the idea of adding Boeser

Ew, no.

And to expand, Boeser is a guy that needs a dominant center to carry the water for him. He's a good opportunistic scorer, but for $8M/yr and trading away all those assets... you want something a bit more substantial than that.

 

[SirloinUB]

Big no for me. I don't want him for free at 8M.

I personally would pass on that price. Had only one 40 goal season. Maybe if he was a center.

I'm with you guys. I wouldn't mind giving a legit trade package for him but if it will cost 8ish AAV to keep him I think we should ultimately pass on this.

Hopefully Yzerman stays engaged with Vancouver. Something has to give and hopefully it's their asking prices

 

[Henkka]

Ew, no.

And to expand, Boeser is a guy that needs a dominant center to carry the water for him. He's a good opportunistic scorer, but for $8M/yr and trading away all those assets... you want something a bit more substantial than that.

He could need just a great playmaking winger like Raymond.

Just get over of that "centers are only creative players" - false belief.

Watch hockey.

 

[norrisnick]

He could need just a great playmaking winger like Raymond.

Just get over of that "centers are only creative players" - false belief.

Watch hockey.

Brock Boeser is a RW.
Lucas Raymond is a RW.

You first.

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

Boeser has similar trade value as Kevin Fiala had when he was acquired by LA for the 19th OA Draft pick and Faber, a mid-2nd pick a couple years earlier still in college at the time and generally considered a very good prospect. A similar deal for Boeser might be Buium and the Wings' 1st round pick this year, Buium not as good a prospect as Faber was but a higher Draft pick to compensate. That would be a tempting fair deal, maybe even worth adding a smaller piece (Veleno or extra Draft pick).

A lot of the consideration on trade targets is what the Wings already have and how they view things going forward. If they're confident MBN or Buch or even both can be as productive as Boeser, they mght not have a lot of interest in him On the other hand, they'll need to replace and upgrade on Tarasenko, replace Kane, perhaps not want to re-sign DBC, move Kasper back to C, etc. We may have three different wingers in the top six in a couple years or even five new wingers in the top three lines. There's a huge roster turnover coming so acquiring a known quantity like Boeser could be a pretty good idea.

 

[RabidBadger]

edit: what @TheOctopusKid said

And factor in their "leadership" structure is pretty jenky. Adams is a terrible GM, they don't have a president of hockey operations and their owner has zero interest in making improvements.

I kick it on their boards once in a while since they have a good college hockey thread. I really like some of their posters and I feel bad for them as fans. I feel at least we have something to look forward to while they're stuck in the mud.

 

[norrisnick]

Boeser has similar trade value as Kevin Fiala had when he was acquired by LA for the 19th OA Draft pick and Faber, a mid-2nd pick a couple years earlier still in college at the time and generally considered a very good prospect. A similar deal for Boeser might be Buium and the Wings' 1st round pick this year, Buium not as good a prospect as Faber was but a higher Draft pick to compensate. That would be a tempting fair deal, maybe even worth adding a smaller piece (Veleno or extra Draft pick).

A lot of the consideration on trade targets is what the Wings already have and how they view things going forward. If they're confident MBN or Buch or even both can be as productive as Boeser, they mght not have a lot of interest in him On the other hand, they'll need to replace and upgrade on Tarasenko, replace Kane, perhaps not want to re-sign DBC, move Kasper back to C, etc. We may have three different wingers in the top six in a couple years or even five new wingers in the top three lines. There's a huge roster turnover coming so acquiring a known quantity like Boeser could be a pretty good idea.

I'm not sure that's a good comp. Fiala was an RFA in the off-season coming off an 85pt season. Boeser is UFA to be pacing for 59pts.

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

I'm not sure that's a good comp. Fiala was an RFA in the off-season coming off an 85pt season. Boeser is UFA to be pacing for 59pts.

Not a perfect comp for sure but there rarely is. There are always differences. Fiala's production the previous three years prior to his trade was similar to Boeser's previous three full seasons.

 

[KJoe88]

Would you guys give up a first round pick for Seth Jones if the Blackhawk retained 50%?

No.

But I actually like Jones a little. Maybe a 2nd and Holl and like a prospect. Chicago would have to retain a little. Although I don’t know how many retention slots are left for them.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Again i dont think canucks will deal him. That being said I think it takes a 1st rd type prospect going back. Nygaard danielson kasper ... we deal danielson we go pettersson larkin kasper down the middle and we're fine

I'd have 0 problem throwing mazur WITH danielson, wont if I dont have 2 but I would. We cant fit all these prospects coming. Realistically mazur will be on the 4th line here if hes on the team with or without pettersson

Debrincat larkin raymond
Buchelnikov kasper nygaard
Soderblom danielson finnie/lombardi

Where does mazur fit ???? I dont think debrincat even gets resigned + theres plante,kiiskinen potentially a top 10 forward pick like desnoyers,o'Brien or whomever

Berggren as well which I think he'll be the odd man out unless he explodes next season for 50-60 pts. Realistically mazur is destined for 4th line on this team if canucks want him for pettersson we have to do it

Can go an all swede line

Soderblom pettersson raymond
Buchelnikov larkin nygaard
lombardi kasper finnie/kiiskinen
Rasmussen?? james

We had the russian 5 we'd now have the swedish 5 lol

Soderblom pettersson raymond
Edvinsson pellikka

Anyways if we got a player of top line status we'd still be ok. Wont be pettersson though. I'd be shocked

This is why I’m okay with giving up mazur. His fit just doesn’t fit anymore and I have no doubt he will play in the NHL, I just don’t see it here anymore with all of the prospects we have that are now purely clogging up the pipeline.

I just don’t want to get rid of Danielson. I think he is going to be something crazy special. I was on the fence with kasper and teetering on adding him, but last few games have shown his potential and he is going to be a great, gritty winger/center for the playoffs. I think of the same with Rasmussen so take that how you want too.

Regardless, if EP comes here and stays in the 80+ point range (would most likely be 90+ with his ability and our playmakers we have now and coming up later) he would be an improvement over probably everyone we have talked about.

Just have to hope that his lower point totals is because he is just being soft about the miller situation which raises other obvious red flags lol

 

[SirloinUB]

This Vancouver situation is fascinating.

It's such a weird spot because Petterson/Miller should command many suitors but at the same time Vancouver is kind of over a barrel.

If we don't see a trade in the next week or so I kind of think that they ultimately ride this out to the offseason.

 

[raymond23]

This Vancouver situation is fascinating.

It's such a weird spot because Petterson/Miller should command many suitors but at the same time Vancouver is kind of over a barrel.

If we don't see a trade in the next week or so I kind of think that they ultimately ride this out to the offseason.

Find it so odd how open the owner and GM are being about the situation. Feels like adding fuel to the fire

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

This Vancouver situation is fascinating.

It's such a weird spot because Petterson/Miller should command many suitors but at the same time Vancouver is kind of over a barrel.

If we don't see a trade in the next week or so I kind of think that they ultimately ride this out to the offseason.

Does anyone know thats the reason for the feud between EP and JT? Weird situation for sure. I would love to get him on the Wings but I feel like they would want to much. I would be willing to trade:
1st '26, Ras, Mazur, Veleno, Wallinder. I doubt they would though. I just can't trade Kasper, Danielson, ASP, Cossa or Augustine.

 

[Reddwit]

The team needs to build around rugged physical 2 way play. They need to focus on guys who can skate and have good possession metrics. Tarasenko, Kane, compher, all of these guys have horrible possession metrics and don’t bring anything when they aren’t scoring. They need to find a way to move them. Dont re-sign Kane, try and move compher or tarasenko, trade for a solid steady physical bottom pairing and see if you can swing a trade for steady LD for Mo. that’s what they should be doing, if their first rounder is in the mid teen range I’d totally be okay with moving it. But for the love of god stop giving out high cap hit contracts to old players that can’t do anything without the puck.

Agreed on Compher and Tank, but Detroit is clearly having a tough time acquiring solid secondary contributors, so I’d welcome Kane back for one more year. He might be the only solid option available to us between now and next year’s start. At the same time, I wouldn’t cry if we didn’t re-sign him.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

IMO, the untouchables I don’t want to trade:

Active roster (in order):

Seider

Raymond

Larkin

Edvinsson

Kasper

DeBrincat (unless the price is right and he would waive his NTC)

Prospects (in order):

ASP

Cossa

Danielson

Augustine

MBN

I’m willing to trade future picks, prospects, and all roster players not named above. What’s the best we could hope for?

 

[SirloinUB]

IMO, the untouchables I don’t want to trade:

Active roster (in order):

Seider

Raymond

Larkin

Edvinsson

Kasper

DeBrincat (unless the price is right and he would waive his NTC)

Prospects (in order):

ASP

Cossa

Danielson

Augustine

MBN

I’m willing to trade future picks, prospects, and all roster players not named above. What’s the best we could hope for?

I’ve got the same list. Although Im a little flexible with MBN. for the right long term piece I could be okay with shipping him out.