24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[Steve Yzerlland]

Veleno and Copp for Cozens.

I've thought since rumors first started that Buffalo wanted Kasper in return. I think I'm at the point of no thanks?

I asked chatgpt LOL, and they said Ras, AJo and a 2nd for Cozen and a 3rd with Buf retaining 25-30%. I asked it to consider what Rantanen went for. No way would I include Kasper for him. He has 5 more years @ 7.1M AAV

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

I've thought since rumors first started that Buffalo wanted Kasper in return. I think I'm at the point of no thanks?

Ya I'm not trading kasper for cozens. But longer cozens keeps struggling more his value drops. I cant imagine any team trading a recent top 10 pick for his services unless that prospect is struggling as well

 

[19 for president]

Buffalo's ask for Cozens should be a lot lower now. I know Rantanen had no term but is clearly superior.

And right now Cozens isn't really producing to that term. Honestly I think the max I'd give up is something like Ras+Berg+2nd. He has value but he is definitely a reclamation project to some degree.

I don't think Buf/Det make good partners, but I'm not selling the farm for a guy that is currently severely under performing his contract.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

And right now Cozens isn't really producing to that term. Honestly I think the max I'd give up is something like Ras+Berg+2nd. He has value but he is definitely a reclamation project to some degree.

I don't think Buf/Det make good partners, but I'm not selling the farm for a guy that is currently severely under performing his contract.

To be honest I wouldn't even give that up for him. He makes too much money and it would be a big gamble for us. He probably isn't a center and had one outlier season. They have to retain money and drastically lower their asking price.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

And right now Cozens isn't really producing to that term. Honestly I think the max I'd give up is something like Ras+Berg+2nd. He has value but he is definitely a reclamation project to some degree.

I don't think Buf/Det make good partners, but I'm not selling the farm for a guy that is currently severely under performing his contract.

I think hed still get a 1st but it would be from a contending team so 20-32 .I'd still trade a 1st for cozens but it would be 2026 top 10 protected cause I'm not missing out on McKenna incase we sh*t the bed and betting after next 2 drafts its almost a certainty wed be a playoff team

I dont know what it would take but we have so many prospects coming not all will make it. We'd have to make the money work as well. Compher should be the one to go if we land cozens

Compher, 2026 top 10 protected pick,as much as we like mazur I'd throw him in and maybe a veleno if it was possible. Money works as well

Like mazur but we have so many kids coming hes likely destined for the 4th line unless the kids bust. If kane returns and we dealt tarasenko ...

Kasper larkin raymond
Debrincat cozens kane
Soderblom danielson berggren
Rasmussen copp -free agent

Maybe Watson as extra forward to keep soderblom's momentum going

Nygaard,lombardi,kiiskinen,likely top pick this year,buchelnikov,finnie still would be in the pipeline upfront + a james for 4th line. That's alot of spots, cant see mazur being a top 9 player in 2-3 years here

Can probably throw in a kiiskinen/lombardi/finnie in deal for a dman , yzermans gotta determine which are the ones we cant afford to lose

To be honest I wouldn't even give that up for him. He makes too much money and it would be a big gamble for us. He probably isn't a center and had one outlier season. They have to retain money and drastically lower their asking price.

I think hes going to explode wherever he goes. We have track record already with reinhart,eichel,o'Reilly... I'd 100% take cozens in a deal. Just certain players I'm not willing to part with

 

[The Zermanator]

Carolina owner is known to be cheap. I cant for the life of me see him get 14 mill. And as cool as it would be to land him I wouldnt want to pay 14 mill for a 85-90 pt player

For that price I'd want McDavid pt totals , 110-125. Hes also getting close to 30. We have a bunch of cheap contracts next few years so I'd have np 14 x 4 but that would never happen

Unfortunately we have a salary cap. I'm sure alot of ppl would disagree with me. Still think our #1 priority should be fixing our defense

Which 85-90 pt player are you referring to? Because it sounds like you're talking about Rantanen, which would be absurd.

2024/25: 64 pts in 49 games (107 pt pace over 82 games)
2023/24: 104 pts in 80 games
2022/23: 105 pts in 82 games
2021/22: 92 pts in 75 games (100 pt pace)
2020/21: 66 pts in 52 games (104 pt pace)
2019/20: 41 pts in 42 games (80 pt pace)
2018/19: 87 pts in 74 games (96 pt pace)

Apart from one down year, he hasn't scored less than 90 pts since his sophomore season, and has scored at a 100 pt pace 5 seasons in a row now.

 

[datsyukfan]

Sure the cap is going up but is 90 pts worth 14 mill??? Hes coming to a team that would be not as good so I wouldnt expect 105 pts

Would he be 6 mill worth more than what raymond is doing right now? I'd say easy no. Hes a good player I just think for that price I'd want a 1c or 1st pairing dman. I wish it was the good old days with no salary cap

I think we need to prioritize a top 4 left side dman and possibly and possibly another dman. Anyways if carolina did that move I'd suspect they'd finally be willing to pay someone big money

Aho will probably convince him to sign at like 13.25 in the end

No he isn’t worth 6 mill more than Raymond but Raymond is also worth a lot more than 8 mill and that’s only going to increase with his growth as well as the cap going up. Having ray at 8 allows you to overpay rantanen that’s the point

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Which 85-90 pt player are you referring to? Because it sounds like you're talking about Rantanen, which would be absurd.

2024/25: 64 pts in 49 games (107 pt pace over 82 games)
2023/24: 104 pts in 80 games
2022/23: 105 pts in 82 games
2021/22: 92 pts in 75 games (100 pt pace)
2020/21: 66 pts in 52 games (104 pt pace)
2019/20: 41 pts in 42 games (80 pt pace)
2018/19: 87 pts in 74 games (96 pt pace)

Apart from one down year, he hasn't scored less than 90 pts since his sophomore season, and has scored at a 100 pt pace 5 seasons in a row now.

Which makar on the redwings you think we have ? MacKinnon??? You do realize the avs are currently much better than the Redwings . You can keep copy pasting stats all you want doesnt mean he'd get 105 pts here

You think if he joined san jose hed be getting the same stats ?? Your not being realistic. I think 85-90 would be realistic expectations with where we were atm. Hes not coming here anyways

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

No he isn’t worth 6 mill more than Raymond but Raymond is also worth a lot more than 8 mill and that’s only going to increase with his growth as well as the cap going up. Having ray at 8 allows you to overpay rantanen that’s the point

raymond will be worth more than 8 million, he had a great finish last season and I'm sure if he signed his new deal in 2026 it would be in the 9-10 range which is good for us

Well I dont hate rantanen never said I did , I dont think hes coming anyways i can see him staying in carolina. All that being said we won't go anywhere unless our defense is fixed. That should be our #1 priority. If others disagree so be it

 

[ricky0034]

I just want to be on record as saying I think Necas will have more points with the Avs between now and the end of the season than Rantanen will have with the Hurricanes

I actually think this is a dumb move by Carolina with Necas having an extra year as opposed to Rantanen being a free agent this year, either they lose Rantanen too or they end up paying him way more than he'll be worth away from MacKinnon and Makar

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

This trade could be very dangerous for Rantanen and his free agent value. Every GM is going to see how he produces without Mackinnon now, a precursor to what will happen when he is jumping to a new team.

Play great, get a Carolina over the hump, he just might get that 14 mil aav he is rumored to be asking for. If he has struggles and doesn't make an impact in Carolina, he won't touch the value he wants.

Don't get me wrong, Aho is a good center, but he isn't the point producing machine Mackinnon is. I think Rantanen's value could be in trouble here.

 

[norrisnick]

I just want to be on record as saying I think Necas will have more points with the Avs between now and the end of the season than Rantanen will have with the Hurricanes

I actually think this is a dumb move by Carolina with Necas having an extra year as opposed to Rantanen being a free agent this year, either they lose Rantanen too or they end up paying him way more than he'll be worth away from MacKinnon and Makar

I can see Necas outscoring Rants. MacK and Makar are ever so slightly more dynamic than Aho and Slavin.

As for moving Necas, he and the Canes have been fighting for years now.

 

[Frk It]

Necas is not as valuable as Larkin. Cut it out. He had one good year...

We could have gotten Rantanen. I still want him this summer. We have the money and he can put up big points. He is lazy though.

Only way we beat that offer is to offer 1 of Larkin or Raymond.

We offer Larkin and now we have 0 center depth. We offer Raymond we lose our best young cost-controlled forward for a guy slated to cash out in UFA.

Not the deal to cry about. I also believe he had a NTC and I doubt very much he wanted to get dealt to a team who is at the bottom of the Atlantic.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

This trade could be very dangerous for Rantanen and his free agent value. Every GM is going to see how he produces without Mackinnon now, a precursor to what will happen when he is jumping to a new team.

Play great, get a Carolina over the hump, he just might get that 14 mil aav he is rumored to be asking for. If he has struggles and doesn't make an impact in Carolina, he won't touch the value he wants.

Don't get me wrong, Aho is a good center, but he isn't the point producing machine Mackinnon is. I think Rantanen's value could be in trouble here.

Incoming Yzerman's July 1st call with Daddy Warbucks Chris Illitch to offer 6.1M AAV.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

I just want to be on record as saying I think Necas will have more points with the Avs between now and the end of the season than Rantanen will have with the Hurricanes

I actually think this is a dumb move by Carolina with Necas having an extra year as opposed to Rantanen being a free agent this year, either they lose Rantanen too or they end up paying him way more than he'll be worth away from MacKinnon and Makar

necas's numbers will def go up. I still think rantanen will put up good numbers going to another top team. Hes playing with a fellow finn and friend so I'd expect good numbers

 

[ShanahanMan]

Still in shock about Necas. I thought he was a fan favorite. I guess Carolina really going for it this year.

 

[Holden Caufield]

necas's numbers will def go up. I still think rantanen will put up good numbers going to another top team. Hes playing with a fellow finn and friend so I'd expect good numbers

Agreed Rantanen will still be great. He is a stand alone talent.

Same with Guentzel leaving Crosby’s side. Point per game player in Carolina…. Point per game player in Tampa.

Same with people implying Marner is propped up in Toronto by Matthews, but Marner averages more points per game when Matthew’s doesn’t even play.

Jeff Skinner was supposed to be scoring a point per game this year after starting on a line with McDavid…. How is that going ?

Did anyone playing along side Datsuuk and Zetterberg instantly become an offensive dynamo? (Abdelkader lol)

There can be a bit of a stat bump playing with a super star. But it’s often way over implied by fans (aside from Bernie Nichols).

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Agreed Rantanen will still be great. He is a stand alone talent.

Same with Guentzel leaving Crosby’s side. Point per game player in Carolina…. Point per game player in Tampa.

Same with people implying Marner is propped up in Toronto by Matthews, but Marner averages more points per game when Matthew’s doesn’t even play.

Jeff Skinner was supposed to be scoring a point per game this year after starting on a line with McDavid…. How is that going ?

Did anyone playing along side Datsuuk and Zetterberg instantly become an offensive dynamo? (Abdelkader lol)

There can be a bit of a stat bump playing with a super star. But it’s often way over implied by fans (aside from Bernie Nichols).

He's a really good player also going to a top team so even if his pts drop itll be in the 90-100 range. I think aho had like 85-90 one year I'd have to check, I'm sure theyll have good chemistry

Would have been nice to add petterson and have raymond on his wing I'm sure they'd both be 90-100pts together

Guentzel has always played on top teams though ... yes playing with top end talent can change ones career. Hope abdelkader is still sending hank and pavel gifts. Playing with them got him a career contract were still in the books for lol

Hyman should be paying all of McDavid's meals. Didnt work out with skinner,guess you sometimes just have to find the right chemistry with certain guys.

On a side note ... Not top line talent but Danielson and soderblom seem to be playing well together in g.r. I'd love to get rid of some guys and go with a
Soderblom danielson berggren 3rd line next season. Its time to rely on the youth more

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Still in shock about Necas. I thought he was a fan favorite. I guess Carolina really going for it this year.

Probably noticed bruins and rangers dropping. Leafs and Panthers probably the main teams to worry about and I'm not sold on the leafs

I'd say it's a good year for them to go all in. Not sold on goaltending though

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Would you guys give up a first round pick for Seth Jones if the Blackhawk retained 50%?

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Would you guys give up a first round pick for Seth Jones if the Blackhawk retained 50%?

Nope

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Would you guys give up a first round pick for Seth Jones if the Blackhawk retained 50%?

Maybe a 2nd and Holl.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Maybe a 2nd and Holl.

Lol why would Chicago do that?