Steve Yzerlland
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I feel like we could have gotten Rantanen but we don't make trades for stars like ever. Like ever. Like ever. Like ever!!!
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TheOctopusKid
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As much as I miss those summers from the 90's and 00's where we would announce premier free agent after premier free agent signing with the Red Wings... I don't think you can count on that. We are not a destination yet. So as simple in a lot of us like to make it out as "Just pay him the money and he will come", I generally question how many top flight free agents have DET as a destination. The Suter Parise summer stung... a lot. And we were a lot more attractive then than we are now.
We can critique the "Why do we also sign bad free agents?", we might consider until we get the core of this team really up and running and we are a young, exciting, first round team looking to break out - that even if a top flight FA does hit the market, he's not coming here yet and we need to work with the B-Tier till then
We can critique the "Why do we also sign bad free agents?", we might consider until we get the core of this team really up and running and we are a young, exciting, first round team looking to break out - that even if a top flight FA does hit the market, he's not coming here yet and we need to work with the B-Tier till then
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I remember the summer of 2001
was the greatest summer of my life lol.
TheOctopusKid
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I remember the summer of 2001
And those guys were taking pay cuts to come play for us. Long gone are those days.
I remember Hatcher, Joseph, Rafalski, Hossa - etc. All of our "Just go pay the top free agent all the money and get him!" - these signings coincided to literally the peak cup windows of the past Wings teams. We have not been a destination for a long time and I think the quality of interest from FA's has reflected that. Maybe we're close now? But these ideas that we were going to be front runners for peak FAs when we're licking the bottom of the barrel, no stud was signing here anymore than they were in early 90's for those that remember.
The last time we had a young core of prospects but were still terrible - I think Sheppard was our big time free agent. But every vet on that team was a trade essentially because no one wanted to play for the "dead things". Dino, Coffey, etc. were all trades. The rest was all draft picks and old crappy UFAs.
Rantanen apparently wants 14 per .... ya no thanks , cant even see how carolina offers that
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Oddbob
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We didn't have a Necas to give them, what are you on about?
Oddbob
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Larkin is of more value than Necas. Larkin is a better player in every way except offence, where they are about even. Center and can PK as well. Necas also needs a new deal in 2 years.
Steve Yzerlland
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Necas is not as valuable as Larkin. Cut it out. He had one good year...
We could have gotten Rantanen. I still want him this summer. We have the money and he can put up big points. He is lazy though.
They have ~35M in cap space next year for one. Second, that’s the same % of the cap that MacKinnon got so seems in line with his production/skill/value.
Carolina owner is known to be cheap. I cant for the life of me see him get 14 mill. And as cool as it would be to land him I wouldnt want to pay 14 mill for a 85-90 pt player
For that price I'd want McDavid pt totals , 110-125. Hes also getting close to 30. We have a bunch of cheap contracts next few years so I'd have np 14 x 4 but that would never happen
Unfortunately we have a salary cap. I'm sure alot of ppl would disagree with me. Still think our #1 priority should be fixing our defense
You also have to realize that the cap seems to be rising pretty significantly. The advantage Detroit has is that they have their 3 big pieces (Larkin, Raymond, seider) locked up long term on very very good deals. This affords them to take a big swing and overpay a guy like rantanen or Marner. As well all their bad contracts are falling off in the next couple years and at the moment the only guy they are going to need to pay a decent amount to is Ed who is also going to be an RFA not UFA. The time to take a big bite and overpay a star is this summer. I believe they can do both that as well as fix the D-core in 1 summer
Snuggs
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This post is just off.
One of the best players in the whole league, an equivalent on the defensive side would be Makar? Dahlin? Hedman? Fox? A team isn't picking someone up like K'Andre Miller and saying they're better with him vs Rantanen...
Rantanen is a consistent 100-point guy if he plays enough games and Carolina isn't cheap and have made a collection of bold moves the last 3-5 years. Just say out loud you don't like watching players get paid even the best ones.
Like, you'll take the best player sure, but not the 2nd or 3rd or 4th... wherever someone wants to slot Rantanen. Not one person is crazy saying he's a top 5 player in this league.
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Snuggs
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On the trade. Great, great move by both Avalanche, not letting a player hamstring you up and milking(something) out of him, and Carolina for going all in on the Cup run and even squeezing Taylor Hall out of this.
Huge move in hockey. Huge.
Wonder if he'll resign... I'm sure they spoke somewhat prior to a move but if no deal is done, it's a steep price for a cup run, pays off if they win though.
Wish Yzerman would do something, but these are proactive franchises that take risk. Red Wings operate a lot like the Kraken and Ron Francis. They don't do a thing unless it's clearly in the team's/gms favor, WHICH... ultimately means you aren't adding too much or anything significant outside of the draft.
Huge move in hockey. Huge.
Wonder if he'll resign... I'm sure they spoke somewhat prior to a move but if no deal is done, it's a steep price for a cup run, pays off if they win though.
Wish Yzerman would do something, but these are proactive franchises that take risk. Red Wings operate a lot like the Kraken and Ron Francis. They don't do a thing unless it's clearly in the team's/gms favor, WHICH... ultimately means you aren't adding too much or anything significant outside of the draft.
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Yuuuppp. With Suzuki not far behind.
IIRC, like half this board wanted Necas, myself included.
Sure the cap is going up but is 90 pts worth 14 mill??? Hes coming to a team that would be not as good so I wouldnt expect 105 pts
Would he be 6 mill worth more than what raymond is doing right now? I'd say easy no. Hes a good player I just think for that price I'd want a 1c or 1st pairing dman. I wish it was the good old days with no salary cap
I think we need to prioritize a top 4 left side dman and possibly and possibly another dman. Anyways if carolina did that move I'd suspect they'd finally be willing to pay someone big money
Aho will probably convince him to sign at like 13.25 in the end
When have I ever said miller was better than rantanen??I've never said that ... I said our defense should be our #1 priority. Our power play is killing it , we need to fix our back end if we're ever going anywhere
So yes if be happy if we landed miller although hes playing good again so I'm guessing that ship has sailed. Hague etc... would help
I'd be happy if we pulled off a cozens deal cause I think theres huge upside or a mctavish etc.. if they're available
I dont know what you been watching but carolina owner is known for being cheap who you kidding. He even went hard with resigning the coach
top 5 player ? Matthew's makar MacKinnon McDavid draisaitl come to mind as being ahead ... this isnt me sh*itting on rantanen but I can think of 5 guys I'd want ahead of him
I'd even take celebrini at his age and what hes doing today if someone gave me the choice of taking celebrini or rantanen. Anyways hes a good player and I suspect aho will convince him to stick around so I'm not getting into pointless arguments
K'Andre Miller would have/be a smart add
JT Miller would be simply stupid
SY needs to inject some more proven young talent into the lineup and hopefully soon...a top 6 forward and top 4 dman
JT Miller would be simply stupid
SY needs to inject some more proven young talent into the lineup and hopefully soon...a top 6 forward and top 4 dman
HisNoodliness
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We really need to make a couple of trades. Seider needs a D partner that can play hockey. And a functional 2C would make a world of difference to our offense.
I understand why after we hired McLellan we wanted to wait ten games for him to get situated. And then the team was playing so well that you didn't want to shake things up. Now we're ready to make some changes. We're back to being carried entirely by 4 players. We need two more guys that are more than warm bodies.
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The scary thing is, with the LTIR, the Avs have freed up some more cap space so if a deal is there, they can add....
Last summer I said the local rumor here was there is only 1 team 87 would consider a trade to (and it wasn't the wings)...not saying it will happen, but holy crap, it sure looks to be lining up such that it could happen.
Steve Yzerlland
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Buffalo's ask for Cozens should be a lot lower now. I know Rantanen had no term but is clearly superior.
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Carolina Cheap? There is a hard salary cap.
I don’t think there is a team in the league that has shown they are more win at all costs than Carolina.
Carolina has spent within a nut hair of the cap 5 years in a row. Actually manipulating the cap using LTIR and trade retention deals to go ‘over’ in most of those years.
They aggressively pursue blockbuster trades yearly now (Burns/Guentzel/Rantanen). They upset the apple cart by signing a young RFA to an offer sheet. They have shown they will do anything and leave no stone unturned.
Criticizing a move is always fair game, but a Wings fan Calling them cheap at this point is akin to jealousy or left over bitterness from the Fedorov affair ?
I've thought since rumors first started that Buffalo wanted Kasper in return. I think I'm at the point of no thanks?
Its well known the Carolina owner likes to play hardball with contracts and even played hard with brind amour even though coaches $ doesn't count on the cap
Has nothing to do with trades. They got guentzel but he didnt sign. Im not criticizing moves they've made I'm just saying they been known to nickel and dime with every contract prior.
I didnt check but I'd have to guess aho is the highest paid cane or 500k less to it and it was a habs offer. I do suspect after losing out on guentzel and aho bring a close friend theyll sign rantanen. Probably be closer to the 13 million rather than 14 hes apparently looking for
