24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[KJoe88]

Could the Sabres be after Kasper?

I have a funny feeling about this smoke.

 

[Snuggs]

I legitimately think that's who a pending deal is wrapped up around. Idk who we get on the other side of these smoke signals. Some suggest Cozens(Friedman), who knows really.

I've thought something was happening prior to the holiday roster freeze. Not necessarily with just Buffalo either. I personally want Elias Pettersson but I'm not suggesting that's who Red Wings will get either.

They really need a top four defensemen, really either side but LHD would be more helpful long-term with ASP on the rise as a prospect.

 

[ElProfessor]

Dahlin, Josi, Hedman, Hughes, Miro as just being better (probably can double this list)

Then you have younger guys with more value as well if you wanna go that angle.

Are there any objective statistics that support that (besides Hughes)?

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Would SY move Kasper? I can't see him doing so for Byram given our defensive prospect depth(plus Seider and SE) and lack of center depth within the organization.. I think that would be a mistake

 

[ElProfessor]

Dahlin, Josi, Hedman, Hughes, Miro as just being better (probably can double this list)

Then you have younger guys with more value as well if you wanna go that angle.

Also. Are any of them from Detroit? Played at UofM? Live in Detroit in the off-season? Are best friends with our captain? On a team about to start a rebuild and possibly shopping them?

Those would all be great

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

Could the Sabres be after Kasper?

I have a funny feeling about this smoke.

I would suggest not, but never say never.

Typically if a team is looking to trade a player, they will at least attempt to showcase them at least a little prior to a trade...to get the value they want from them, so look at both teams to see who has a spotlight on them, even without scouts in the house.

Kasper was 10:35 (17 shifts) in the last game and Ras was 10:36 (17 shifts) for the forwards with the least amount of ice time with at JV 13:09 (17 shifts) but nothing screams showcasing any of these players to me. Breaking up of Mo and Ed does shine a little more light on on the other D-men, as Chia-Pet was also broken up to be on the 1st pair and second pair instead of together on the second.

I didn't watch the Sabres and Blues last night, but Cozens (-1 on the night on a 4-2 win) only had 13:55 (22 shifts) good for 7th in forward ice time and Byram was 24:45 (32 shifts) to lead all blue liners....but all 4 of their top four were somewhat close in time on the ice.

I would not worry about too much smoke just yet. In a week or two Todd will have evaluated the current collection of wings and I am sure suggest to SY who may not be a long term fit and/or who should be changed out.

I think SY would have to be offered a deal too good to turn down to move pieces before Feb 5, as January is a busy month unless the wings come off the wheel in the next several weeks.

If Petes is correct and a wings "season goal" correction is looming given the poor start, then I do see several vets being off-loaded by the TDL (likely before).

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

"Whatever shine was on being picked at #7 is long lost its luster.
they’d demand a significant package, potentially including a young roster player, a high draft pick, or a combination of both."

The only young roster players of note available would be Rasmussen or berggren. If they wanted a "high pick" AT BEST that is a 2nd round pick. The Wings only have their own (as they do in the 1st). In the They do have three 3rd round picks (see 25 picks at link).

Dylan had a 30 goal season in 22-23 but has sputtered since. He also carries a 7.1M cap hit through the 29-30 season. Ras is 3.2M thru 27-28.

SUMMARY:

IMO Cozens is comparable to Rasmussen. I do NOT trade for Cozens with this cap hit. The Sabres would have to eat half his contract. Ras and a 3rd for Cozens with Buffalo retaining half his contract.

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No way Buffalo trades Cozens for Ras. Lol what? They would want Kasper plus a first and maybe even more.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

I would suggest not, but never say never.

Typically if a team is looking to trade a player, they will at least attempt to showcase them at least a little prior to a trade...to get the value they want from them, so look at both teams to see who has a spotlight on them, even without scouts in the house.

Kasper was 10:35 (17 shifts) in the last game and Ras was 10:36 (17 shifts) for the forwards with the least amount of ice time with at JV 13:09 (17 shifts) but nothing screams showcasing any of these players to me. Breaking up of Mo and Ed does shine a little more light on on the other D-men, as Chia-Pet was also broken up to be on the 1st pair and second pair instead of together on the second.

I didn't watch the Sabres and Blues last night, but Cozens (-1 on the night on a 4-2 win) only had 13:55 (22 shifts) good for 7th in forward ice time and Byram was 24:45 (32 shifts) to lead all blue liners....but all 4 of their top four were somewhat close in time on the ice.

I would not worry about too much smoke just yet. In a week or two Todd will have evaluated the current collection of wings and I am sure suggest to SY who may not be a long term fit and/or who should be changed out.

I think SY would have to be offered a deal too good to turn down to move pieces before Feb 5, as January is a busy month unless the wings come off the wheel in the next several weeks.

If Petes is correct and a wings "season goal" correction is looming given the poor start, then I do see several vets being off-loaded by the TDL (likely before).

i would say veleno on the first line could suggest showcasing. hopefully he puts up 20 more points before the deadline and we get a haul for him

 

[lilidk]

Kasper's gonna be a point machine as soon as he's not centering nobody's.....hopefully starting next game.

Him in between Kane and DeBrincat I think would instantly give us a legit 2nd line.

Don't expect line changes for next game.

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

i would say veleno on the first line could suggest showcasing. hopefully he puts up 20 more points before the deadline and we get a haul for him

I won't disagree, his minutes are still down, but on the flip side, if Joey Velvet puts up another 20 points before the TDL and looks like a fit as 1LW, do you trade him unless it is a real big haul? (I would, but if he is what TM wants in a 1-3-1 forechecker on the first line, and a capable PKer do they?)

 

[ElProfessor]

Don't expect line changes for next game.

Maybe not after a win. But maybe still. It's his 2nd game evaluating the team. I'd be shocked if Johansson isn't in for Holl/Gustafson.

As soon as we let Kasper center the 2nd line, it's a new team. He'd be absolutely fantastic in between Kane and DeB

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

I won't disagree, his minutes are still down, but on the flip side, if Joey Velvet puts up another 20 points before the TDL and looks like a fit as 1LW, do you trade him unless it is a real big haul? (I would, but if he is what TM wants in a 1-3-1 forechecker on the first line, and a capable PKer do they?)

joe is going to be 25 in 2 weeks. we've been watching his development for almost 7 years now. it has happened before, but i'm not going to hold my breath that he's all of a sudden going to turn into a reliable top 6 winger

he has one more year left at 2.3m and still an rfa after that. if he keeps up his current pace he'll have almost 30 points at the deadline. i predict that his value will never be higher in his career than at this deadline

 

[1878rgw]

7 years around, but beeing coached by Simon in the AHL and Blashill, Lalonde in the NHL, I think especially for him an Ras who had the same coaches we should be a bit patient what McLellan can do with them in the next 2-3 month.

 

[SirloinUB]

joe is going to be 25 in 2 weeks. we've been watching his development for almost 7 years now. it has happened before, but i'm not going to hold my breath that he's all of a sudden going to turn into a reliable top 6 winger

he has one more year left at 2.3m and still an rfa after that. if he keeps up his current pace he'll have almost 30 points at the deadline. i predict that his value will never be higher in his career than at this deadline

Ya we definitely shouldn't hold our breath on it but a couple of points:

• Joey V has a demonstrated history as a "late bloomer" at multiple levels.
• While we have watched his development for 7 years, he has never gotten an opportunity to be a "piano puller with talented players" which, imo, is more suitable for him than being a "line driver with middling/lesser players".
• He also doesn't need to be a 60 point guy to succeed in this role. 20-20 (ish) pace while being a legit forechecking presence would be great. Anything else is gravy.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

Ya we definitely shouldn't hold our breath on it but a couple of points:

• Joey V has a demonstrated history as a "late bloomer" at multiple levels.
• While we have watched his development for 7 years, he has never gotten an opportunity to be a "piano puller with talented players" which, imo, is more suitable for him than being a "line driver with middling/lesser players".
• He also doesn't need to be a 60 point guy to succeed in this role. 20-20 (ish) pace while being a legit forechecking presence would be great. Anything else is gravy.

while i do agree that he is much more suited in that role at this point, joe veleno was granted exceptional status. its hard to say he's a late bloomer after that happened. also, i do seem to remember him getting a couple looks in the top 6 under lalonde, didn't he?

 

[SirloinUB]

while i do agree that he is much more suited in that role at this point, joe veleno was granted exceptional status. its hard to say he's a late bloomer after that happened. also, i do seem to remember him getting a couple looks in the top 6 under lalonde, didn't he?

He did get exceptional status but he didn't really take off until his D+1 year (4th year in the Q). Similarity he played a year in the AHL & (most of a year) in the SHL before he really started to break out in the AHL where he put up 13 points in his final 15 games.

He may have gotten some looks in the top 6 and definitely on PP2 but I don't recall him getting any meaningful opportunities with our top offensive players.

You might ultimately be right about his value peaking around the TDL. However, if he is looking half decent in this role I'd probably prefer we keep him over the 3rd or 4th round pick we'd get in return.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

He did get exceptional status but he didn't really take off until his D+1 year (4th year in the Q). Similarity he played a year in the AHL & (most of a year) in the SHL before he really started to break out in the AHL where he put up 13 points in his final 15 games.

He may have gotten some looks in the top 6 and definitely on PP2 but I don't recall him getting any meaningful opportunities with our top offensive players.

You might ultimately be right about his value peaking around the TDL. However, if he is looking half decent in this role I'd probably prefer we keep him over the 3rd or 4th round pick we'd get in return.

yea, i guess. i'd hope that we could get a 2nd for a guy that could theoretically be entering his prime putting up close to .5 ppg on a cheapish contract, but you're probably right

idk, i guess i'd just like to buck the trend of trading guys at their lowest value rather than their highest

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

while i do agree that he is much more suited in that role at this point, joe veleno was granted exceptional status. its hard to say he's a late bloomer after that happened. also, i do seem to remember him getting a couple looks in the top 6 under lalonde, didn't he?

After watching JV on and off for the past 9 years or so (I never thought he should have been granted exceptional status after seeing him that first season in the Q with the Sea Dogs) saying Lalonde giving him a crack or two at the top 6 in his system (when nothing was clicking for the team) is not quite the same as TM trying to get lines matched up to his liking.

But you are correct that his value may never be higher he gets another 20 points by the TDL, but honestly, what are you going to get for him that fits the wings window?

He is currently rated as a dime-a-dozen player by the GMs, unless the wings can show a real potential of an unlocked JV, which I can't see happening in a couple of months, they are still not getting too much for him.

Might be better off to keep him and not sign more future plugs and let a yute push him out the door when the time comes in 2-3 years when he hits UFA status.

 

[lilidk]

joe is going to be 25 in 2 weeks. we've been watching his development for almost 7 years now. it has happened before, but i'm not going to hold my breath that he's all of a sudden going to turn into a reliable top 6 winger

he has one more year left at 2.3m and still an rfa after that. if he keeps up his current pace he'll have almost 30 points at the deadline. i predict that his value will never be higher in his career than at this deadline

How about Buffalo scouts Veleno and asked Yzerman to put him on the first line. Most likely it is not , but

Veleno +Berggren + for 2 pair defansman

 

[19 for president]

I do think there is a chance they are showcasing him because I feel like Kasper is the more logical guy to have in that role with Joey V as the 4th line center. Its not like Kasper would be the 1st NHL center to play a spot at wing at the start of his career. They are about the same on the draw too so its not like that is a major reason to keep Kasper at C over Veleno.

Joey V was a guy I honestly was fine letting walk this past summer, so I do find it interesting that he is getting the 1st line piano puller treatment. He has the tools just not much of a tool box. Right now he is a minute muncher and little else. I think he has the tools to be a Danny Cleary 20/20 guy. Good speed, decent shot, physically strong. He needs to decide that he wants to play like that consistently though. It can't be 5 games on 20 off.

Ras and Chia are also guys I think other teams would value. If you hold a little on Chia I think teams would be very interested in him as a 3rd pair guy. Ras is going to be the guy that teams always see the potential instead of what is right in front of them.

 

[heyfolks]

If Byram gets another concussion, he LTIR.

Simple as that.

With the new protocols that may be any player. I will leave aside the entire discussion about concussions, recovery, etc to the off season and say something even more controversial (for any Wings fan)..... I think the Avs did an outstanding job of handling his situation. He missed a ton of games because of their care and treatment program. They did not want to risk the career of a young player and, while on a different team, he has not had a concussion since.

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[heyfolks]

No way Buffalo trades Cozens for Ras. Lol what? They would want Kasper plus a first and maybe even more.

I'll play along.


No way Detroit trades Kasper for Cozens. Lol what? They would want Cozens plus a first and maybe even more.

 

[schuelma24]

If I had faith in Detroit's pro scouting I wouldn't be opposed to making a run at Cozens and giving up Marco.

But I don't and I'm afraid he's going to be a 7M per year 45 point winger.

 

[heyfolks]

Idk if you were suggesting this but I'd actually do Marco Kasper for Bowen Byram straight up easy.

I was suggesting it was something more in line of a talent for talent and need for need trade. That said, Detroit also has a dire need for centers. With ASP coming into the fold next season, they still need an anchor for that 2nd pairing. BB would be it. Both teams have huge holes to fill, this trade would help them fill a hole, while creating another. haha. < This is where Yzerman's UFA signings have failed. He intended for Copp to be the #2 center and Chiarot to anchor the 2nd pairing.

Veleno is a dime a dozen bottom 6 player.

Cozens has panned out as well as Rasmussen.

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[LongTimeDRWF]

If I had faith in Detroit's pro scouting I wouldn't be opposed to making a run at Cozens and giving up Marco.

But I don't and I'm afraid he's going to be a 7M per year 45 point winger.

Marco is only 20, looking at the wings realistic window, I would rather they keep Marco over Cozens.

I think in 3 years time, Kasper will be the 2C on the wings, if not sooner, and in the long run, a more valuable player to the wings.