24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[LongTimeDRWF]

Should be waiving guys like Justin Holl/Erik Gustafsson and bringing up young guys like Shai Buium and Antti Toumisto. If they fail, send them back down and recall the old stinkers. Idk if I like the side talk from Yzerman about growth within then blocking guys like this who play well enough in the AHL to get looks in the NHL. Gustafsson might get claimed helping the situation out if you waived him.

Even Cossa, he didn't look out of place as a backup and could legitimately be the better player between all of Lyon/Husso/Cambpell.

Idk what you can do with Veleno/Rasmussen right now, Veleno's playing better next to Chrisitan Fischer lately.

A talk with Patrick Kane has to be made. He can get healthy scratched pretty often or tell Yzerman which teams he'd like to play for. He could really help out a team like Dallas whose PP for a Stanley cup contender is sluggish. Minnesota or Winnipeg might like him as well. Most depends on him though. Some guys collect checks though and staying healthy for him might be a priority over winning(everything you need to know going forward).

Things as little as Tyler Motte waived and Austin Watson brought up, cause he's actually better at the jobs both do.

I know people like Berggren but he can be traded in a package, I see a floater most of the time out there.

To me, letting guys linger around breeds this losing culture. I'm not sure many of these veterans are scared to lose their jobs to rookies/young players at all right now outside of injury.

Too soon I suspect, if the intent is for GR and the wings to have the same style of play, I suspect that the GR team (players and coaches) will need some adjustment time.

Hopefully, the kids will learn it quicker than the vets and in a month or maybe two at the most, they will ready to set into TM's world and be successful.

Then it is time for them to shine and play in the big house. If TM goes with 1-3-1 for an offensive zone forecheck scheme, then I see Elmer coming up real soon if he continues playing like he has to be the wrecking ball forechecker.

The wings have a spare roster spot, it would be good to get several of the waiver exempt yutes involved for cups of coffee.

 

[Winger98]

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Prefer Elias Pettersson but the price for Cozens should be significantly less.

Problem with Cozens is that we might not be getting a guy who can stick at center. A lot of Buffalo fans have been saying he'd be better at wing.

 

[SirloinUB]

Problem with Cozens is that we might not be getting a guy who can stick at center. A lot of Buffalo fans have been saying he'd be better at wing.

Agreed but I’m not opposed to acquiring him as a 2nd line winger.

Cozens - Kasper - DBC could be a really interesting line.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

I'm not concerned about Kasper either. Yeah, I think that's why I was kind of invoking Cleary there as well. The 20g/20a All-Rounder Winger in the Top Six, has just kind of existed for a while and there are plenty of examples of these guys and the different ways they get there. Veleno (who I do believe sucks, but this experiment is worth it in my eyes), could be like a Tofolli, or Bunting, or Dubinsky, or whatever. The thing that kind of stands out for me with Joey is that he just...doesn't create chances. To @Gniwder point, he take like...80 shots a season. If he got better chances like jamming rebounds from a Larkin shot, or a setup by Raymond, and got into the shot volume of Benning, Cleary, etc. where they are north of 200 shots a season? Getting himself to the 20/20 mark seems pretty likely?

If he had a better nose for the net, he would be more like a Hyman, if he were more physical and aggressive, he could be like a Dustin Brown. There's just kind of a archtype that Veleno could follow here. /shrug - I don't think any of endless list of these kind of "try hard wingers in the Top 6" are that much more 'talented' than Veleno. It just kind of depends if he can gel and make it work?

Ya he'll never be a hyman or brown lol maybe yzermans trying to make him look good and showcasing him for the sabres

In that case I hope he scores a few goals next games

 

[RabidBadger]

With Joey I wonder just what proportion of his issues are about being a too coachable player in an uninspired system. Not to say that there are huge amounts of untapped hockey IQ and creativity, but he's pretty much defined the recent robotic uninspired method where the only goal is "don't make mistakes". It's worth seeing if he can make himself useful being the supporting player on a more skilled line, freed up as a winger. Might just work, since he occasionally looks good when he isn't 100% laser focused on being as perfectly 'mid' as possible.

I think (and hope) he will be one of the bigger beneficiaries of the coaching change. He is no where near the same player he was last year. Was he awesome? Hell no. He was one of the few that put in a good effort most nights though. If he gets traded I won't be sad, I just think there is better hockey that can be squeezed out of him.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Agreed but I’m not opposed to acquiring him as a 2nd line winger.

Cozens - Kasper - DBC could be a really interesting line.

Cozens seems to be what they are trying to figure out on the top line to run with Larkin and Raymond. A guy with the pace to keep up and the jam to work more pucks free.

 

[Winger98]

Agreed but I’m not opposed to acquiring him as a 2nd line winger.

Cozens - Kasper - DBC could be a really interesting line.

Neither am I. I wouldn't be against giving him a longer look at center, but I'm curious about the cost. I'd assume Kasper is going the other way at that point.

 

[Gniwder]

I think (and hope) he will be one of the bigger beneficiaries of the coaching change. He is no where near the same player he was last year. Was he awesome? Hell no. He was one of the few that put in a good effort most nights though. If he gets traded I won't be sad, I just think there is better hockey that can be squeezed out of him.

Well, he already is.... he went from being a healthy scratch for Fester to first line winger for Todd. It's up to him to change his game and do something with the opportunity.

 

[heyfolks]

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Prefer Elias Pettersson but the price for Cozens should be significantly less.

"Whatever shine was on being picked at #7 is long lost its luster.
they’d demand a significant package, potentially including a young roster player, a high draft pick, or a combination of both."

The only young roster players of note available would be Rasmussen or berggren. If they wanted a "high pick" AT BEST that is a 2nd round pick. The Wings only have their own (as they do in the 1st). In the They do have three 3rd round picks (see 25 picks at link).

Dylan had a 30 goal season in 22-23 but has sputtered since. He also carries a 7.1M cap hit through the 29-30 season. Ras is 3.2M thru 27-28.

SUMMARY:

IMO Cozens is comparable to Rasmussen. I do NOT trade for Cozens with this cap hit. The Sabres would have to eat half his contract. Ras and a 3rd for Cozens with Buffalo retaining half his contract.

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BREAKDOWN of the BREAKDOWN in Cozens game.

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[heyfolks]

If the Sabres are talking Bowen Byram, that is of greater interest to me. The guy proved himself in the post season run to the Cup. That said, the Sabres are said to need a top 6 forward and a top 4 RHD. The Wings can't help on D and it would have to be Kasper for any potential top 6 young player. I do not see that trade happening.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

If the Sabres are talking Bowen Byram, that is of greater interest to me. The guy proved himself in the post season run to the Cup. That said, the Sabres are said to need a top 6 forward and a top 4 RHD. The Wings can't help on D and it would have to be Kasper for any potential top 6 young player. I do not see that trade happening.

Holl'd up we got just the guy...

 

[ElProfessor]

What would Zack Werenski cost in a trade? He's 28 next yr, and CBJ probably needs to restart their rebuild. He's got a full no trade clause, lives in Grosse Pointe in the off-season (his hometown), and is best friends with Larkin.

We could probably DeBrincat this ^ thing and get him for a bargain..

2025 1st.
2026 2nd.
Any of Ras, Veleno, Berggren, Johansson.
Any of Wallinder, Buium, Finnie, Lombardi, Kiiskinen, Soderblom, sigh.. Buchelnikov.

Does that ^ get Werenski?

Werenski---Seider
Edvinsson---ASP


^ is certainly a nice backbone of a Stanley Cup team.

 

[SirloinUB]

What would Zack Werenski cost in a trade? He's 28 next yr, and CBJ probably needs to restart their rebuild. He's got a full no trade clause, lives in Grosse Pointe in the off-season (his hometown), and is best friends with Larkin.

We could probably DeBrincat this ^ thing and get him for a bargain..

2025 1st.
2026 2nd.
Any of Ras, Veleno, Berggren, Johansson.
Any of Wallinder, Buium, Finnie, Lombardi, Kiiskinen, Soderblom, sigh.. Buchelnikov.

Does that ^ get Werenski?

Werenski---Seider
Edvinsson---ASP


^ is certainly a nice backbone of a Stanley Cup team.

Werenski isn’t available. You’re looking at Ed+ to get Columbus to move on from Werenski.

 

[ElProfessor]

Werenski isn’t available. You’re looking at Ed+ to get Columbus to move on from Werenski.

We'll see. There's been some talk.

 

[heyfolks]

What would Zack Werenski cost in a trade? He's 28 next yr, and CBJ probably needs to restart their rebuild. He's got a full no trade clause, lives in Grosse Pointe in the off-season (his hometown), and is best friends with Larkin.

We could probably DeBrincat this ^ thing and get him for a bargain..

2025 1st.
2026 2nd.
Any of Ras, Veleno, Berggren, Johansson.
Any of Wallinder, Buium, Finnie, Lombardi, Kiiskinen, Soderblom, sigh.. Buchelnikov.

Does that ^ get Werenski?

Werenski---Seider
Edvinsson---ASP


^ is certainly a nice backbone of a Stanley Cup team.

He is a 9.5 cap hit through 27-28

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/player/_/id/18882/zachary-werenski

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

We'll see. There's been some talk.

I certainly trust your take, guy who made an account yesterday

 

[Snuggs]

If the Sabres are talking Bowen Byram, that is of greater interest to me. The guy proved himself in the post season run to the Cup. That said, the Sabres are said to need a top 6 forward and a top 4 RHD. The Wings can't help on D and it would have to be Kasper for any potential top 6 young player. I do not see that trade happening.

Idk if you were suggesting this but I'd actually do Marco Kasper for Bowen Byram straight up easy.

 

[ElProfessor]

Idk if you were suggesting this but I'd actually do Marco Kasper for Bowen Byram straight up easy.

Kasper's gonna be a point machine as soon as he's not centering nobody's.....hopefully starting next game.

Him in between Kane and DeBrincat I think would instantly give us a legit 2nd line.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Idk if you were suggesting this but I'd actually do Marco Kasper for Bowen Byram straight up easy.

If Byram gets another concussion, he LTIR.

Simple as that.

 

[Euro Twins]

Lmao @ using Friedman as a source

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

We'll see. There's been some talk.

Really?

Please share.

 

[ElProfessor]

Really?

Please share.

Just google Zack Werenski trade rumors (in the last yr). You'll get a page full of local reporters speculating x,y,z. Maybe bs. Maybe actual smoke.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Absolutely no on Werenski. Too expensive, not a great culture fit. We already ran Bertuzzi out of town.

 

[ElProfessor]

Absolutely no on Werenski. Too expensive, not a great culture fit. We already ran Bertuzzi out of town.

Name 5 LHD better than him. Or 3.

Absolutely no on Werenski. Too expensive, not a great culture fit. We already ran Bertuzzi out of town.

If you're starving to death on a deserted island...and I offer you a sandwich...you can say "No, I hate tuna."

But I'd hope that you'd have a better idea

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Name 5 LHD better than him. Or 3.


If you're starving to death on a deserted island...and I offer you a sandwich...you can say "No, I hate tuna."

But I'd hope that you'd have a better idea

Dahlin, Josi, Hedman, Hughes, Miro as just being better (probably can double this list)

Then you have younger guys with more value as well if you wanna go that angle.