Salary Cap: 24-25 Salary Thread Crosbicles Volume MXVI: End of season wrap up

[Gurglesons]

So, Capitals model?

I'd still take their future and current outlook over ours.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

You don’t know what this team has because Sullivan was a f***ing twat. A new coach that isn’t a dumb f*** might give some of the lads the shot they should have gotten and possibly thrive.

Trading Rakell though, that is a tough one because he’s the one winger on this team that balances the top 6 for his strong game at both ends. Rust is the player I move the f*** out first.

Would they ever dare trade a player on the franchise's Mount Rushmore?

 

[HandshakeLine]

Rename the PPG to The Bryan Rust Home of the Pittsburgh Penguins

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Would they ever dare trade a player on the franchise's Mount Rushmore?

The loss of Bryan Crust will destroy Crosby, the way it will be broken to him, it will prompt Malkin to say "we don't do that here in Pittsburgh."

 

[chethejet]

I move Rust to Detroit for the pick. Of course this all comes down to Dubas moving Karlsson for a younger RW. Love to send him to Ottawa for a deal say for Pinto.
McGroarty Sid Pinto
Koivunen Geno Rakell
Broz Novak Tomasino

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

I'd be careful, with certain acquisitions, look at PLD and his 3 assists in 10 playoff games for the Caps for example.. All depends on what the cost is, I still don't think we are in any shape or form to start dealing 1st round picks here ...

 

[JackFr]

I'd still take their future and current outlook over ours.

Well sure because we don't have anything, but Ovechkin and Carlson aren't getting any younger and their franchise centre is Dubois and their franchise defenceman is Chychrun. Unless they can pull a Vegas and do the Eichel/Stone/Pietrangelo thing through trades and signings I think their "model" will have been an exercise in ceiling limiting

 

[Empoleon8771]

Well sure because we don't have anything, but Ovechkin and Carlson aren't getting any younger and their franchise centre is Dubois and their franchise defenceman is Chychrun. Unless they can pull a Vegas and do the Eichel/Stone/Pietrangelo thing through trades and signings I think their "model" will have been an exercise in ceiling limiting

Tbh Washington's cap structure is set up that they should be able to make some major additions like Vegas. I don't think it's a fair comparison to just look at them as they are minus Ovechkin and Carlson going forward.

In 2026-2027, they're going to have a projected $47 million in cap space with pretty much only McMichael and Fehervary needing substantial raises. Even after Ovi and Carlson retire, they're set up in a really nice spot overall.

 

[Gurglesons]

Well sure because we don't have anything, but Ovechkin and Carlson aren't getting any younger and their franchise centre is Dubois and their franchise defenceman is Chychrun. Unless they can pull a Vegas and do the Eichel/Stone/Pietrangelo thing through trades and signings I think their "model" will have been an exercise in ceiling limiting

The Chychrun signing is awful.

I do think Washington is smart enough to blow things up in a year or two as well.

I just think they have more creative and intelligent management and are doing the right thing for Ovechkin while we let Sid waste away on the vine.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I would argue Washington let Ovi “waste away on the vine” for a couple seasons while they drafted, developed, and kinda let the NHL team be.

Then when a lot of younger talent showed they were gonna play (and they got Oshie/Backstrom cap) they made a bunch of moves (that didn’t cost much) to be competitive. If you notice though they didn’t go all in or move any high picks out besides the 2nd for Beau.

I just think we started to focus on drafting and developing and injecting talent in later than they have. They took some pain earlier than we did.

 

[Beauner]

If anyone is worried about AI taking over the world, you might be able to relax for a bit.

For shits and giggles I asked ChatGPT how they'd make the Penguins into a playoff contender next season.

Its suggestion was signing Sprong, JVR and Shattenkirk (who is very much retired).

 

[Jared Grayden]

Well sure because we don't have anything, but Ovechkin and Carlson aren't getting any younger and their franchise centre is Dubois and their franchise defenceman is Chychrun. Unless they can pull a Vegas and do the Eichel/Stone/Pietrangelo thing through trades and signings I think their "model" will have been an exercise in ceiling limiting

Their model was always predicated on keeping the team relevant for Ovechkin's goal scoring race. It succeeded in that regard. The variables between WSH and PIT are too different to use their retool as a template. And as said many times, if Washington misses the playoffs entirely next year- which is very possible- all the lemmings will memory hole they even wanted to use them as a template to begin with. I'm also skeptical on their futures being as promising as some think. Ryan Leonard for instance, was horrifically overestimated as NHL ready. He sucked.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I think there are some good things to be learned from the Capitals turning it around like that and of course they should be commended for.

I don't know that I'd build a whole MODEL around it or call it some kind of archetype. That seems to be overgilding the lily a bit to me.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

...like what did they do, really? Not draft like total ass and develop the picks they did get, fired the coach and signed a handful of good-fit FAs... right?

Oooooh. Revolutionary. The only reason anyone around here is talking about it as a model is because Dubas keeps bringing it up and we aren't used to this team doing any of the stuff I listed above. But that doesn't mean it isn't just basically common sense.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I mean, their whole avantage over us has been they didn't fall madly in love with middling coaches and players.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

If anyone is worried about AI taking over the world, you might be able to relax for a bit.

For shits and giggles I asked ChatGPT how they'd make the Penguins into a playoff contender next season.

Its suggestion was signing Sprong, JVR and Shattenkirk (who is very much retired).

It sounds like you got Shat on.

 

[Jared Grayden]

I mean, their whole avantage over us has been they didn't fall madly in love with middling coaches and players.

Their whole advantage only exists because they got out of terrible contracts with LTIR (Backstrom and Oshie) and termination (Kuznetsov). Put those contracts back on their books with those massively age declined players and they aren't a playoff team and everyone is talking about how stupid they are and need to rebuild. If Dubas can't do the same with his bad cap hits in Jarry, Karlsson, Letang, and Graves then the entire comparison is dead on arrival.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Their whole advantage only exists because they got out of terrible contracts with LTIR (Backstrom and Oshie) and termination (Kuznetsov). Put those contracts back on their books with those massively age declined players and they aren't a playoff team and everyone is talking about how stupid they are and need to rebuild. If Dubas can't do the same with his bad cap hits in Jarry, Karlsson, Letang, and Graves then the entire comparison is dead on arrival.

The thing is, we didn't even try to get out of bad contracts. I'm not going to give us a pass for signing bad contracts and then not trying to get out of them. Like we didn't have to sign Letang to an absolute boat anchor contract, but we did. We didn't have to hold on to every mediocre signing, but we did.

Luck helps, but also having the wherewithal to take advantage of those lucky breaks is a skill that our front office has lacked for several different administrations.

 

[eXile3]

If anyone is worried about AI taking over the world, you might be able to relax for a bit.

For shits and giggles I asked ChatGPT how they'd make the Penguins into a playoff contender next season.

Its suggestion was signing Sprong, JVR and Shattenkirk (who is very much retired).

If AI can’t replace a middle class job or sell someone something they don’t need it’s not going to work all too well. It’s really kind of only been built for those purposes.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I mean, their whole avantage over us has been they didn't fall madly in love with middling coaches and players.

I don't even have a huge problem with signing Letang past this year. I mean... it's dumb and the red carpet they rolled out for him that entire offseason culminating in a 6 year contract for what was then a like 35 year old Letang was pretty f***ing obnoxious especially when one of the most important players in franchise history was just sitting there waiting to even get a text. But realistically it just doesn't matter much past this season IMO.

It's the laundry list of vanilla mid tier to straight up trash-ass players they have signed or traded for for years and years (often to fill important roles) and a handful of players over the years that are pretty average but the team acts like shit gold bricks that gets me irritated. At least Letang has some legacy here and actually put up a big year prior to his most recent deal.

I think some of that is going to change now that Napoleon Beanpot is gone. At least that's what I hope.

 

[pistolpete11]

Letang's (and Malkin's) deal was always going to end poorly. I think even the people that supported it at the time realized that. But it was to lower the cap hit for the last couple remaining years they had a chance to compete. They just squandered those years.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Letang's (and Malkin's) deal was always going to end poorly. I think even the people that supported it at the time realized that. But it was to lower the cap hit for the last couple remaining years they had a chance to compete. They just squandered those years.

I think that's fair. I'm not at all saying I have an issue with them coming back and in fact think the people pointing at that being "the reason" are totally out to lunch. Also fully agree that they really f***ed the dog re: taking advantage of that small window.

I did think Malkin's deal would end better. I did not think he'd fall off this hard.

I always knew Letang's was gonna end badly, though. And there are still like three years left or something.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

It sounds like you got Shat on.

Nice that AI is getting so advanced. You used to have to go to Dubai for that.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Nice that AI is getting so advanced. You used to have to go to Dubai for that.

Yeah, but you also got a nice set of free hairplugs going overseas.

 

[Jared Grayden]

The thing is, we didn't even try to get out of bad contracts. I'm not going to give us a pass for signing bad contracts and then not trying to get out of them. Like we didn't have to sign Letang to an absolute boat anchor contract, but we did. We didn't have to hold on to every mediocre signing, but we did.

Luck helps, but also having the wherewithal to take advantage of those lucky breaks is a skill that our front office has lacked for several different administrations.

MacClellan/Patrick oversaw all three of those bad extensions. Yes, they made excellent moves following getting out of those deals. But it was strictly good fortune they got out of those deals not their direct management. Without that good fortune, the Capitals wouldn't be considered a success at all.
Not sure what Dubas can do to get players to LTIR and contract termination.