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Jarry friggin sucks dude
There's no real counterpoint to this argument since he's doing absolutely nothing to stop our rebuild anyway.
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Gurglesons
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He's putting up elite passing metrics. He was on pace for 66 pts last year.
I don't really get the issue with Malkin. If you play him with top tier wingers like Sid, I'm sure he'll be fine. His production also fell off because they took him off the PP.
Blaming Malkin for Mike Sullivan is interesting.
The image of Sid and Malkin retiring the same game is well worth re-signing him if he wants to continue to play for us.
Big Friggin Dummy
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Pops into my head every time we talk about how Geno or Letang are mummified husks and I'm like a year older than Geno.
Empoleon8771
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Idk showing Malkin is 52nd percentile offensive, 4th percentile defensive, 64th percentile on the PP and 53rd percentile finishing doesn’t seem like all that good of a player? Like he’s not shot but he’s a middle-6 caliber player that should be playing wing at this point.
This place gets super touchy about Malkin and I don’t get it. He’s a franchise legend, but he has taken a pretty massive step back into just an okay 2nd line caliber guy and he’s only going to get worse. It seems like some people interpret acknowledging that reality as “scapegoating” Malkin.
This place gets super touchy about Malkin and I don’t get it. He’s a franchise legend, but he has taken a pretty massive step back into just an okay 2nd line caliber guy and he’s only going to get worse. It seems like some people interpret acknowledging that reality as “scapegoating” Malkin.
BlindWillyMcHurt
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Those numbers kinda suck lol
I absolutely regret how Malkin was handled in the past by Mike Sullivan and the team. It's bad enough to treat the guy like the third fiddle in the media and on lists and such but to actively ignore him for years, play him with an ever-worsening cast of flotsam and jetsam as he ages AND blame him out on the ice as well was just shitty. But it is what it is here in 2025 and I can only be mad/frustrated at what WASN'T done because at this point it's just too late.
In other words I'd be maybe a little excited to see what's up if this was like three seasons ago but it isn't so I guess I don't much care. Take the second round pick or whatever. It's the cool and smart thing to do these days.
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Idk, id rather Geno not wear another jersey just so we can get a 2nd for him. 25 worthless games or not, playing 20 seasons with only 1 team is f***ing sick
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I'm getting confused if Malkin sucks so bad that they need to put him out to pasture or he's still good enough that contenders will be calling the Pens about him.
But sure, if they trade him, Geno has to sign off on it. If it's OK with Geno, it should be OK for us. There are very few players that earn the right to call the shots. Geno's one of 'em. Sid's another. Rust, obviously. That's about it, though.
But sure, if they trade him, Geno has to sign off on it. If it's OK with Geno, it should be OK for us. There are very few players that earn the right to call the shots. Geno's one of 'em. Sid's another. Rust, obviously. That's about it, though.
Gurglesons
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66 pts is what Dubois just put up in Washington on a team that finished 2nd in the league.
Granted, Dubois has much heavier defensive impact, but I feel like this is just being pouty because Sid and Ovechkin are still producing at elite levels.
Malkin is still an effective NHLer. I don't really see any issue with him playing out this year and next and it probably gets him to 1400 pts.
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Hmmmmm... it probably WOULD take him 160some games to get that big 54 points so you aren't wrong, there.
Deport Ogie
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No one should take any surprise from what the analytics say. An aging player who doesn't have that fastball anymore where he can necessarily drive play by himself but can still be an elite top 6 playmaker if he had linemates who didn't logo snipe every pass he gives them.
So yeah there's value there. But to the counterpoint, doubtful whether he can leverage it here.
So yeah there's value there. But to the counterpoint, doubtful whether he can leverage it here.
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Hey you said it not me!
It's all good man I can tell your heart isn't in this one and you know I'm right.
Honestly I'm ambivalent about trying to move him at the deadline. Right now the goal is to be bad and as of last year he has begun to help in that regard and will only get better at it moving forward so I'm cool with that outcome, too.
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Gurglesons
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Malkin randomly putting up another 60 pts next season would not shock me in the slightest.
If that means his careers over, sure you're right.
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If Malkin puts up more than even FIFTY points next year I'll eat that sock that you were supposed to lol
Gurglesons
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That was if Granlund was traded for a 1st. He wasn't.
He was traded in a package that resulted in a 1st.
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I am going to assume they will do the right thing and let him ride the ship for another year if he wants. Regardless of what writers and analysts say, he is part of the core (Crosby, Malkin, and Letang). He has definitely taken a step back in production than what we are used to seeing but he's still putting up a 60 point pace at age 38. Players like Rossi (who everyone wants on this forum), Hertl, Zibanejad, Huberdeau, Fiala... these guys are all between 23-32 putting up the same points. Most of them on the top lines with the best wingers. I think the hype of trading or letting him walk etc is a bit over-exaggerated. Even though Malkin is overshadowed by Crosby and even Letang at some points during his career, he is still a huge part of this organization and deserves to finish how he wants. I am willing to bet that if he decides this is his last year, he will be playing over in Russia next year or he takes 1 year deals to retire with Crosby. Letang is another story, I could see him being traded in his last year to go play with the Canadiens (per his request). Other than that, I think he will retire with the pens as well as long as his health doesnt affect him
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If anything, I'm hoping Geno retires cuz I'd rather lose out on a bonus year of him plodding around for the Sid retirement tour than watch him continue to erode on the ice.
But if he wants to stick around, it doesn't matter. It's clearly a sentimental decision but it is what it is. The real important thing is that it doesn't affect the tank and rebuild.
But if he wants to stick around, it doesn't matter. It's clearly a sentimental decision but it is what it is. The real important thing is that it doesn't affect the tank and rebuild.
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If anything, I'm hoping Geno retires cuz I'd rather lose out on a bonus year of him plodding around for the Sid retirement tour than watch him continue to erode on the ice.
But if he wants to stick around, it doesn't matter. It's clearly a sentimental decision but it is what it is. The real important thing is that it doesn't affect the tank and rebuild.
Nah man honestly it would help.
Plus he can "help with the young guys" or something.
But we ARE talking the possibility of a second round pick here, Dummy. A real, live second round pick.
GilbertSeinfeld
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What if Crosby signs another two year extension?
Does that mean Malkin should get another two year extension so they can retire together?
Does that mean Malkin should get another two year extension so they can retire together?
KrisLetAngry
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If Malkin wants to be back and sign one year deals. He is welcome back.
Moved to wing and be a playmaking winger. Maybe he plays only 13-15 minutes a night to keep himself fresh.
That's perfectly fine by me. He either helps us win or helps us lose. We are in gathering assets stage so why not have a veteran playing with some young guns.
Moved to wing and be a playmaking winger. Maybe he plays only 13-15 minutes a night to keep himself fresh.
That's perfectly fine by me. He either helps us win or helps us lose. We are in gathering assets stage so why not have a veteran playing with some young guns.
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As someone who is younger literally ALL I know about Bourque is that he won a cup for Colorado and not in 40 years of playing for the Bs
Pass on moving Malkin.
Pass on moving Malkin.
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I was gonna say... while I am someone who is NOT younger the first thing that pops into my mind re: Bourque is absolutely not him on the Bruins but him lifting the Cup in an Avs uniform. So this idea that it has zero bearing on a player's legacy is not accurate IMO.
EDIT: Also Bourque had almost 60 points in his last season in the NHL? TIL. Damn. I wish all legends could say the same, eh?
GilbertSeinfeld
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It's still funny to me that Colorado retired his number.
He played there one full season, yes, he won a Cup, but really?
I think Malkin has always planned to go back to Russia to play a bit there before retiring anyway
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