Gurglesons
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I don't think Dubas is going above a 2nd round pick for an offer sheet.
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I don't think Dubas is going above a 2nd round pick for an offer sheet.
Malkinstheman
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The Pens have a ton of cap space and 3 2nds in 2026 so I'm not too concerned about losing one of them on an offer sheet. Seems like good business to spend one of those 2nds to get a guaranteed NHL player with room for growth.
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Let me indulge a posters wet dream,
Penguins somehow miraculously draft Misa. Mike Sullivan: "Welcome to the Penguins. In WBS you will learn how to play the right way and we will have a spot waiting for you in 5-10 years."
Penguins somehow miraculously draft Mckenna. Mike Sullivan: "Welcome to the Penguins. In WBS you will learn how to play the right way and we will have a spot waiting for you in 5-10 years."
It has to be our for an offer sheet though right? Pretty sure I read that somewhere.
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Duffy13
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Just playing around and holy hell the drop in some stats from last year to this year in takeaways /give aways
2023-2024
Malkin 90-56
Crosby 73-57
Eller 54-37
Doc 37-28
18 other players with a + or even differential in takeaways over giveaways
2024-2025
Karlsson 36-124 is the leader in takeaways and the worst in give aways
the next player with an even differential is
Puustinen with a 3-3
then 3 others with an even differential
Team
2023-2024 was 706-672
2024-2025 is 373-1081 so far
Every other player is in the negative this year.
Nice system ya have there coach, who's the new guy ya fought for, to come in and fix the defense?
2023-2024
Malkin 90-56
Crosby 73-57
Eller 54-37
Doc 37-28
18 other players with a + or even differential in takeaways over giveaways
2024-2025
Karlsson 36-124 is the leader in takeaways and the worst in give aways
the next player with an even differential is
Puustinen with a 3-3
then 3 others with an even differential
Team
2023-2024 was 706-672
2024-2025 is 373-1081 so far
Every other player is in the negative this year.
Nice system ya have there coach, who's the new guy ya fought for, to come in and fix the defense?
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I don't think so either. I think he'd target players who would be in the 2nd/3rd round pick range, similar to what the Blues did to Edmonton.
DesertedPenguin
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Giveaway and takeaway stats are notoriously unreliable because every arena stat crew tracks them differently.
NHL Giveaway & Takeaway Stats Shouldn't Be Trusted - The Hockey Writers Commentary Latest News, Analysis & More
The stat keeping of "giveaways" and "takeaways" leaves a lot to be desired. Here's just how bad these stats truly are.
thehockeywriters.com
It's been an issue for years.
Giveaways vs. Turnovers: how to find value in an unreliable stat
I agree that the Pens have been more careless and turnover prone this year from an anecdotal standpoint, but I'd want more reliable stats before trying to draw any broad conclusions.
Duffy13
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its almost a 750 swing to the negative, they're playing the same teams in the same barns the same amount of times from the previous season... so unless the whole league decided to say " You know what?!?!! f*** those Pens!!!!" and really tilt the counts. I am leaning towards this team f***ing up badly with the puck. If it was under a 100 instance swing, sure.... but with 12 more games, they could hit -900. That's not some counting anomaly.Giveaway and takeaway stats are notoriously unreliable because every arena stat crew tracks them differently.
NHL Giveaway & Takeaway Stats Shouldn't Be Trusted - The Hockey Writers Commentary Latest News, Analysis & More
The stat keeping of "giveaways" and "takeaways" leaves a lot to be desired. Here's just how bad these stats truly are.
It's been an issue for years.
Giveaways vs. Turnovers: how to find value in an unreliable stat
www.sportsnet.ca
I agree that the Pens have been more careless and turnover prone this year from an anecdotal standpoint, but I'd want more reliable stats before trying to draw any broad conclusions.
Edit: Well balls, the league said f*** you to every team!!! lol
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Vujtek
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The league is doing something differently with accounting giveaways and takeaways this year. All 32 teams have 850+ giveaways. Last season Flames led the league with 787 giveaways, so that means all teams have already given the puck away more than any team did last year. Meanwhile it looks like no team will touch Kings' 423 takeaways from last season, a total that ranked 32nd in the league. Penguins are 2nd in takeaways with 373 so far this season.
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Yeah, so $4.57mil is about the max we can realistically do. So say it's Maverik Bourque, you just offer Dallas a 2nd + 3rd and then negotiate a price with him. I don't know if anyone is going to use a 1st and 3rd on him? This gets Dallas an extra pick that what they might otherwise get.
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I'd be pretty happy with a pick in the top 5 for the Pens 1st and then also the 13th pick. I think even with a draft that isn't as deep according to a lot of blokes, in the top 5 there's some incredible talent to had and I think even down to 15th, after that I think I'd just punt the 1st if it's lower than 15th to maybe trade it to a team that has two 2nd round picks.
Sharks have a couple of picks in the 2nd round, Flyers have a ton of them, etc.
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Dallas matches that easily. I believe the Carolina Hurricanes wanted Maverik Bourque and they sent Loogie Stank instead. They're very keen on Bourque and have a prospect pool that isn't that highly ranked anymore, so all of these lads are pushing for a spot like Bourque, Bichsel, etc and if anything, Dallas needs to stop adding so many vets and create spots for them.
There's no way Dallas doesn't match 4.57m/yr offer-sheet for Mav.
With the cap going up, that Rantanen contract is high but Duchene will keep signing low to stay there because of his buyout money makes it easier for him to, then you have Benn likely taking a cut to stay as well. Benn going down from 9.5m of a cap hit is a big drop even with Rantanen's add and Wyatt's raise.
They're at 88m cap without signing any of the UFA's and RFA's next season.
Lundqvist wouldn't be that much and then Bourque, the rest they can probably figure out by moving out Sam Steel to make space for someone cheaper from within (Hyry, Hryckowian, Blumel, etc). Also maybe even trading Dumba to some team, usually the Sharks who'd take him and a pick just to hoard picks.
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Honour Over Glory
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Yeah Ducks and Rangers would definitely match. I'd be down to screw over the Vegas Golden Turds though.
But then also....why? Why even bother?
For one, if Sullivan stays, who gives a shit about offer sheeting anyone, it'd be an epic waste. If they fire Sullivan, then they can actually do a proper retool with a coach that isn't going to be a twat about it. You'd have a lot of young players to actually try for f***ing once too which would be nice finally. I'd just keep the picks and not bother going the offer-sheet route. Not this off season anyway, I think if you fire Sullivan, do a proper retool summer and 1 season of it, you get a better picture of where the team is at with a new coach, system, youth push, and old wankers spread throughout the roster.
Maybe then the offer-sheet for a young player the team could want where they could feel like giving up the pick is worth it because of how the retool looked, would make sense.
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They don't have the cap to match it unless Seguin goes on permanent LTIR or they buy him out.
They have 5.3 million and 4 forwards to fill out a 20 man roster.
Addon needed to be reset.
Admins are fixing one issue only for the fix to break something else. Its fixed now.
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Sending an offer sheet to a team during the off season where they can go over the cap and then make moves to get back under it without penalties before the cut off is going to match a player like Bourque.
The reason the Oilers f***ed theirs up is because no one wanted enough of their shitty contracts to keep Brobeans and Holloway.
Anyone that thinks Dallas is going to let him go for picks is not understanding the situation.
The reason the Oilers f***ed theirs up is because no one wanted enough of their shitty contracts to keep Brobeans and Holloway.
Anyone that thinks Dallas is going to let him go for picks is not understanding the situation.
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So Kolya is taking the fall for that breakaway Letang gave Palmieri?
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Moving Letang to the left side is either intentional tanking or insanity
