Salary Cap: 24 25 Salary Thread Crosbicles Volume Mmxxvii Retool over Time to Go for A Cup in 2026

[Ryder71]

Fans can root however they want, but it's just like the Sullivan stuff -- we know he's a problem. He needs to go. We're all on board at this point, even me. But it doesn't need to invade every conversation. It's nice to talk about a prospect's skillset and how it might translate to the NHL level without every response being, "Yeah, but Sullivan will ruin him."

So with Rakell and Karlsson, I just wish we'd let things play out. Let's have something tangible to complain about rather than freaking out about something that may not even come to pass.

EK won't be moved until at least that 5 million dollar bonus is paid on July 1st. In light of that it's quite understandable he wasn't traded. If we're goin to Sverige pretty sure at least one of these guys will be here in NOV. Boooooooooooo!

In Rakells case he wasn't moved in the biggest sellers market I've ever seen. And that was the sentiment of nearly every NHL pundit or ''insider''. That has already played out and we sat on the sidelines.

We will not get that level of value this summer even if we wanna to move him.

 

[BusinessGoose]

Geno was the better all around player and was a Center, he was my preference then and now.

Geno helped this team way more than Ovi would have.

I think Sid would have benefited from more PP points with Ovi here, but i think the team is worse off without Geno

 

[IcedCapp]

Geno helped this team way more than Ovi would have.

I think Sid would have benefited from more PP points with Ovi here, but i think the team is worse off without Geno

Is this actually a discussion?

I hate how the media overvalues rings and a lifetime achievement Conn Smythe. Prior to that Cup, Ovechkin was the poster boy for Controller Disconnected memes. And he hasn't become a better all-around player since.

 

[BusinessGoose]

Is this actually a discussion?

I hate how the media overvalues rings and a lifetime achievement Conn Smythe. Prior to that Cup, Ovechkin was the poster boy for Controller Disconnected memes. And he hasn't become a better all-around player since.

Hope not. We were just kinda mulling about it due to someone saying we lost the ovi lottery. I guess, technically we did... I wonder if we would have taken Geno over him if we had the chance...

 

[Malkinstheman]

I think the Rags could be a good target for an offer sheet this summer. Looks like they only have around 11 million to find a top-4 D and basically an entire third line. See if offering Cuylle 4.58m does the trick. Of course knowing the Rags, some team will pay them for the honour of taking on Kreider's contract

 

[SomeDude]

Erik Karlsson has the GM handicuffed. Dubas has no control over the EK65 situation. If EK wants to play in these games, there is only one other team Dubas can trade him to with EK's signature.

Luckily for us, the GM of the other team in this game might just be stupid enough to trade for EK.

 

[Gurglesons]

Luckily for us, the GM of the other team in this game might just be stupid enough to trade for EK.

EK has been our best player since coming here.

 

[Pancakes]

Geno helped this team way more than Ovi would have.

I think Sid would have benefited from more PP points with Ovi here, but i think the team is worse off without Geno

Geno was content being considered the number two guy as well. Ovi is a different kind of personality. Would he have been ok with Sid being the captain and getting more of the attention? Dunno about that.

Kinda pointless to think about though because the Pens won Sid in part due to losing the Ovechkin lottery. If they'd won that lottery then by the rules they would have had less lottery balls in the Sid draft ergo no Sid unless Uncle Gary rigged it for us.

 

[HandshakeLine]

If you want a real fun thought experiment, ask yourself if Sid would have had such a great career without Geno.

Both have benefited enormously from being on the same team together, and I think they both recognize this. Fans on the other hand...

 

[Honour Over Glory]

This is what we have going into 2025-26 before the deadline:

Rakell-Crosby-Rust
???-Malkin-Tomasino (RFA)
Heinen-Novak-Glass (RFA)
Lizotte-Hayes-Acciari
Bemstrom (RFA)

???-Karlsson
Pickering-Letang
Kolyachonok-Schenn
Graves

Nedeljkovic
Jarry

Not a lot of opportunities for the prospects at this time. We have to make more moves before the deadline.

The irony being Dubas moved out some of those names and Sullivan just ended up playing more vets.

I still don't f***ing get why Imama is up. Are the hits for barely 5mins of ice time seriously worth it?

God forbid we see lads like Poulin or others being played on a team that is retooling but with a coach that apparently has no clue how that works even a tiny bit. Yet he was a developmental twat for the Hawks and then seemingly can't do shit all in that regard.

I have nothing against Koppanen but lol at him being a call up vs others in Wbs. He had 3 good games his last 15 games where he had a 9 game stretch of 0pts. He has 21pts in 53 games. I mean good for him for scoring, but yeah.

He seemed like another Sullivan signing via Dubas. Just some absolutely random mediocre af bloke that was mediocre in the Bruins system for 7yrs.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

If you want a real fun thought experiment, ask yourself if Sid would have had such a great career without Geno.

Both have benefited enormously from being on the same team together, and I think they both recognize this. Fans on the other hand...

What always intrigued me was the record when only one of them is in the line up.

With Geno only, I’m fairly certain the Pens have an insane record. Not so much the same for Sid without Geno. Which always made me angrier to know because all it takes is for Geno not to get f***ed over for line mates for him to just carry the f***ing team on his back.

I still laugh at the fact that Jake and Rust’s best ppg output is with Geno.

Geno without Sid in the line up: 115 games, 66 goals, 89 assists - 155pts. 1.35ppg pace.
Team Record: .644 win%
Sid w/o Geno Team Record: .563 win%

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Illustrated Review: Breaking down Evgeni Malkin's effectiveness without Sidney Crosby

With Sidney Crosby's status still up in the air after a concussion, we analyze the play of Evgeni Malkin without Pittsburgh's star alongside him on the ice.

www.si.com

Also funny enough, Sid’s stats are better when Malkin isn’t in the line up, but the team isn’t better.

Sid produces at a 1.47ppg pace without Geno.
Geno produces at a 1.35ppg pace without Sid, but the team performs better.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Is this actually a discussion?

I hate how the media overvalues rings and a lifetime achievement Conn Smythe. Prior to that Cup, Ovechkin was the poster boy for Controller Disconnected memes. And he hasn't become a better all-around player since.

The NHL also awarded Sid two Conn Smythes he didn’t deserve.

Geno should have two and then the one for Sid is a toss up with Kessel.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Geno was content being considered the number two guy as well. Ovi is a different kind of personality. Would he have been ok with Sid being the captain and getting more of the attention? Dunno about that.

Kinda pointless to think about though because the Pens won Sid in part due to losing the Ovechkin lottery. If they'd won that lottery then by the rules they would have had less lottery balls in the Sid draft ergo no Sid unless Uncle Gary rigged it for us.

Geno wanted to win. He was ok being a big part of a puzzle that would win vs being the bloke that just gets a ton of points.

Ovechkin was very content on just the stats at first and then grew weary of the lack of playoff success. Then he got his cup and now it’s just chasing records for him.

Geno to me is the far superior “team mate” type of bloke over Sid and Ovy. The kind that is willing to play a big role but get 1/4 of the praise. Neither Sid nor Ovy would put up with the horse shit Geno had to deal with for garbage line mates and other shit. Even in the media he gets called out for being old and over the hill last year and when he started well after building chemistry with linemates all camp and preseason, he got f***ed over to fix Sid who got none of the criticism Geno got. And now it’s back to Geno is done type of bs.

A lot of fans and media pretend to appreciate Malkin.

 

[HandshakeLine]

What always intrigued me was the record when only one of them is in the line up.

With Geno only, I’m fairly certain the Pens have an insane record. Not so much the same for Sid without Geno. Which always made me angrier to know because all it takes is for Geno not to get f***ed over for line mates for him to just carry the f***ing team on his back.

I still laugh at the fact that Jake and Rust’s best ppg output is with Geno.

Geno without Sid in the line up: 115 games, 66 goals, 89 assists - 155pts. 1.35ppg pace.
Team Record: .644 win%
Sid w/o Geno Team Record: .563 win%

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Illustrated Review: Breaking down Evgeni Malkin's effectiveness without Sidney Crosby

With Sidney Crosby's status still up in the air after a concussion, we analyze the play of Evgeni Malkin without Pittsburgh's star alongside him on the ice.

www.si.com

Also funny enough, Sid’s stats are better when Malkin isn’t in the line up, but the team isn’t better.

Sid produces at a 1.47ppg pace without Geno.
Geno produces at a 1.35ppg pace without Sid, but the team performs better.

Yeah the numbers are wild. Like I know I have a reputation of being a bombthrower, but I honestly (not intentionally trolling) think a big part of Sid's longevity and success is due to there being both Sid and Geno on the team. That's part of what is so grating about the "Sid deserves the records" talk-- Sid is really in contention for those records in part because of Geno and it's hypocritical to ignore that because he's some's favorite player.

I'm just thrilled both are going to retire as Pens and see their numbers hang in the rafters. I am much less thrilled this also apparently means we will do the same to Bryan Rust.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Anybody who discounts the presence of one or the other in the Sid/Geno era is being a dork.

Two exceptional, generational players, elevated to all time greatness by having the other on their team throughout their entire career.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Anybody who discounts the presence of one or the other in the Sid/Geno era is being a dork.

Q: Guess which two Penguins-employed public figures are dorks?!


A: Josh "Renfield" Yohe and Mike "I love it when you call me Shot Blocka" Sullivan

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Q: Guess which two Penguins-employed public figures are dorks?!


A: Josh "Renfield" Yohe and Mike "I love it when you call me Shot Blocka" Sullivan

More precisely, a bootlicker and an egomaniac respectively, but the judges will accept dork as well.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Anybody who discounts the presence of one or the other in the Sid/Geno era is being a dork.

Two exceptional, generational players, elevated to all time greatness by having the other on their team throughout their entire career.

The issue isn't anything to do with Sid. It's to do with this false narrative that Geno was always ok with this bs treatment by Sullivan. Geno just respects Sid too much to say anything and that’s where my problem lies.

A leader sees the shit going on and speaks up, not praise the f***ing clown.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Imagine showing up to practice and games and seeing your line get fed the best wingers and then see your so called best mate on the team getting f***ed over to benefit you and you just go along with it because hey, it least it’s not you that’s getting f***ed over.

Apparently that’s been ok with almost everyone here for years.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Pens back to 6th and Rangers down to 11th

Good night of losses. Hopefully we can sneak into the 4 spot. 3 would be a dream but don’t want to get greedy.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Geno wanted to win. He was ok being a big part of a puzzle that would win vs being the bloke that just gets a ton of points.

Ovechkin was very content on just the stats at first and then grew weary of the lack of playoff success. Then he got his cup and now it’s just chasing records for him.

Geno to me is the far superior “team mate” type of bloke over Sid and Ovy. The kind that is willing to play a big role but get 1/4 of the praise. Neither Sid nor Ovy would put up with the horse shit Geno had to deal with for garbage line mates and other shit. Even in the media he gets called out for being old and over the hill last year and when he started well after building chemistry with linemates all camp and preseason, he got f***ed over to fix Sid who got none of the criticism Geno got. And now it’s back to Geno is done type of bs.

A lot of fans and media pretend to appreciate Malkin.

Nah. Malkin and Sid are both great teammates by all accounts, and whatever praise Crosby gets, he's about the least inclined superstar athlete to go glory seeking.

What Crosby does do that Malkin isn't inclined to do is all of the unglamourous off-ice responsibilities of leadership. Interviews after tough games, welcoming new players, PR blitzes etc. He's content to play hockey and go home, which is fine, but all the extras Crosby makes time for are pretty consuming and draining.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

JFresh tweet reminded me- might be unpopular but bring these back as the home/away

Our current jerseys are so tired and I hate the gold they used.

 

[BusinessGoose]

Goddamn f*** no

Vegas gold was terrible

Bring back robo thirds if anything

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Goddamn f*** no

Vegas gold was terrible

Bring back robo thirds if anything

I said what I said.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I want that Rangers pick to fall in 2025, but I'm getting a bit scared that it will slide to 2026. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but a 2025 pick has a better chance of making an impact sooner than a 2026 pick.