Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXVI: Sid is Still Goat

[BusinessGoose]

There is no way Novak is an NHL 2C

Dude doesn't even have over 20 goals ever and he's 27 f***in years old

Letang would be a better 2C stopgap

 

[AuroraBorealis]

How is this stupid? The Pens got a Center who's 27 and costs 3.5M for 2 more seasons beyond this one. Novak scored 88 points in 122 games in the 2 seasons prior to this one. He might bounce back.
He could be a valuable trade asset later, one you can deal at 50% and get a sweet return.

Like what if he's pacing for 50 points next year in a 2C role? We can move Malkin to wing.
What does he command at that deadline?

Bunting did a great job on the PP, but at ES he wasn't getting it done.

 

[Empoleon8771]

There is no way Novak is an NHL 2C

Dude doesn't even have over 20 goals ever and he's 27 f***in years old

Letang would be a better 2C stopgap

In his last 2 years before this year, he averaged 59 points per 82 games.

Even if you want to look at purely last year, 18 goals and 45 points in 71 games is 2C production. It's definitely not anything special 2C production, but it's 2C production.

 

[Gurglesons]

There is no way Novak is an NHL 2C

Dude doesn't even have over 20 goals ever and he's 27 f***in years old

Letang would be a better 2C stopgap

He's had 17 goals in 51 games and 18 in 71. He currently has 13 in 52.

That's a 20 goal pace in each of his last three seasons.

 

[Duffy13]

Dude. Just use Google. I shouldn’t have to do the research for you, just to stop you from propagating a lie.

Penguins GM Responds to Jake Guentzel's Comments

Pittsburgh Penguins president and GM Kyle Dubas gave his take on Jake Guentzel's comments after being traded.

thehockeynews.com

Jake Guentzel targets Penguins again with harsh comments

A new chapter may start in Tampa Bay, but there is still some anger with how things ended in Pittsburgh.

www.hockeyfeed.com

Two from Jake's perspective, says in both articles that Jake wanted to resign here, and Dubas saw the team faltering and felt a trade better suited with out starting negotiations.


I also thought Jake wanted to test FA, and was obviously wrong

 

[Epic Neal Time]

Seravalli might be the dumbest person in hockey media. I can't imagine why two bad teams would make a hockey trade in hopes of improving. He comprehends things at a 3rd-grade level.

Nor does he understand that the Penguins' two best and closest-to-NHL forward prospects are left wings and they have maybe one center prospect worth anything in Pono.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Feel free to talk about the all-around game as a center, but Novak isn't any worse offensively than Chytil who was acquired as the 2C centerpiece for Vancouver in the Miller deal. Since the trade, he has 6 points in 10 games playing 2C minutes.

I don't think Novak's upside is much higher than an offense only 50 point center, but that still is a 2C caliber player IMO.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

There is no way Novak is an NHL 2C

Dude doesn't even have over 20 goals ever and he's 27 f***in years old

Maybe. Not convinced of that yet.

In the 2-year block preceding this year, he paced 59 points per 82 played.
He averaged 14:25 TOI during this period. Malkin averages 18mins.
Also during those 2 years he had 175 mins less PP time than their top Forward (Forsberg).

So either this year is a sign of things to come or it's an outlier. Depends where you fall on that.

 

[PamBallam]

Feel free to talk about the all-around game as a center, but Novak isn't any worse offensively than Chytil who was acquired as the 2C centerpiece for Vancouver in the Miller deal. Since the trade, he has 6 points in 10 games playing 2C minutes.

I don't think Novak's upside is much higher than an offense only 50 point center, but that still is a 2C caliber player IMO.

On top of that, Bunting didn't work with Geno. Maybe Novak will, plus he seems to have an iota of offensive ability, which Geno desperately needs... though I'm sure Sully will start him on line 4 for 15 games for "conditioning" or some nonsense lol

 

[Duffy13]

Seravalli might be the dumbest person in hockey media. I can't imagine why two bad teams would make a hockey trade in hopes of improving. He comprehends things at a 3rd-grade level.

Nor does he understand that the Penguins' two best and closest-to-NHL forward prospects are left wings and they have maybe one center prospect worth anything in Pono.

Doesn't everyone realize that only good teams have good players and bad teams have bad players, so if you want to get good you have to make trades with good teams?

Bad teams making trades with other bad teams is just stupid.... Gosh how don't people see this? I'm a genus

 

[Duffy13]

Seravalli hates Dubas, that's where it's really coming from. Like a personal level hate.

Do you know why? I've read this before but I can't find anything about why? Did he run over his dog or something? It's obvious, I just wonder if anything happened between them or if Seravalli just took an irrational stance

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

If it works out you have an offensive minded 2c/3c tweener locked up for 3.5 for 2 more years.

Basically what Bonino was when acquired, with higher point totals

 

[Lust for Life]

I was gonna say Naslund for whateverhisface gotta be dumber but then I realized 25 years ago isn't 1990 anymore

 

[Turin]

If it works out you have an offensive minded 2c/3c tweener locked up for 3.5 for 2 more years.

Basically what Bonino was when acquired, with higher point totals

Bonino was pretty responsible defensively tho. I’m having a tough time comparing Novak to anyone.

 

[PensFutures]

I don't think Novak's upside is much higher than an offense only 50 point center, but that still is a 2C caliber player IMO.

Does anyone else catch themselves starting to type "yeah, maybe a 2C on a lottery te-" then sigh, delete the post and close the site?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Fingers crossed this team utilizes Novak properly, he pads his stats, and a year or two from now we're celebrating flipping the guy for a return like Granlund got.

Penguins GM Responds to Jake Guentzel's Comments

Pittsburgh Penguins president and GM Kyle Dubas gave his take on Jake Guentzel's comments after being traded.

thehockeynews.com

Jake Guentzel targets Penguins again with harsh comments

A new chapter may start in Tampa Bay, but there is still some anger with how things ended in Pittsburgh.

www.hockeyfeed.com

Two from Jake's perspective, says in both articles that Jake wanted to resign here, and Dubas saw the team faltering and felt a trade better suited with out starting negotiations.


I also thought Jake wanted to test FA, and was obviously wrong

There's also reports of the Pens offering Jake $8.5M AAV over six years in February 2024, and a radio interview where his agent, in January 2024, said "Could it get ugly? Yeah, it could."

I think the initial talks during the 2023 summer got off to a poor start, both sides realized how far apart they were with regard to both numbers and vision/direction of the team, and that was that. Dude wanted a colossal deal to stick with a dying franchise. Dubas rightfully didn't hand him a blank check just to inconvenience himself with having to trade an expensive paperweight with a full NMC once Sid retired in several years.

It was pretty clear that there was no reason to keep him aside from sentimental value, and Jake wanted to cash in *and* have a chance to compete for his final contract, the latter of which was never happening here and he (and Dubas) knew it.

 

[IcedCapp]

Do you know why? I've read this before but I can't find anything about why? Did he run over his dog or something? It's obvious, I just wonder if anything happened between them or if Seravalli just took an irrational stance

it's not just Dubas. Frank called Sid out last year for skipping part of the ASG media availability.

i'll even do what intelligent people do, and provide a link! nothing lazier than saying something as fact and then going 'omg asking me to source my own comment! but i'm a lazy f***ing moron!"

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Do you know why? I've read this before but I can't find anything about why? Did he run over his dog or something? It's obvious, I just wonder if anything happened between them or if Seravalli just took an irrational stance

I feel like it's been a thing since before Dubas hopped on board. It's probably a case of Seravalli pestering people for interviews and/or scoops and being told to f*** off in no uncertain terms because he's an annoying little weirdo, and of course he decided to make it his purpose to carry this vendetta against Dubas and/or the Pens because, well, he's an annoying little weirdo.

 

[Coastal Kev]

it's not just Dubas. Frank called Sid out last year for skipping part of the ASG media availability.

i'll even do what intelligent people do, and provide a link! nothing lazier than saying something as fact and then going 'omg asking me to source my own comment! but i'm a lazy f***ing moron!"

That is a man that definitely sits down to pee.

 

[Ugene Magic]

This place is playing chess while Dubas is playing checkers.

 

[Duffy13]

it's not just Dubas. Frank called Sid out last year for skipping part of the ASG media availability.

i'll even do what intelligent people do, and provide a link! nothing lazier than saying something as fact and then going 'omg asking me to source my own comment! but i'm a lazy f***ing moron!"

f*** this guy, I never saw that, but he is an entitled little bitch, and the sycophant little twat agreeing with him can pound sand too.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Bonino was pretty responsible defensively tho. I’m having a tough time comparing Novak to anyone.

Good news is we don't really need him to defend well. GMs respond to points with Forwards, primarily.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Bonino was pretty responsible defensively tho. I’m having a tough time comparing Novak to anyone.

Bonino actually wasn't regarded that much as being good defensively at the time of the trade IIRC. He was a primarily offensive center for both Anaheim and Vancouver.

 

[Sideline]

Good news is we don't really need him to defend well. GMs respond to points with Forwards, primarily.

GMs, like the average Taylor Swift fan, are always thinking "I can fix him!"

 

[Malkinstheman]

Makes sense that Rantanen is holding up the entire market. Carolina better decide what they're doing quickly