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Empoleon8771 said:
If Blomqvist would have performed like Wolf, Blomqvist would have stayed in the NHL and would be their undisputed starter at this point.

Blomqvist wasn't given more of a chance in the NHL because he generally stunk in the NHL.
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And the Penguins defense and system is hot garbage compared to the Flames.

And Ned and Jarry have been just as bad. So why not give the kid more games to see if his talent propels his confidence?

We have a black hole in goal, that is the difference between us and everybody else in the league.
 
pensfan71 said:
In terms of Carolina and EK65...not that I care too much about this, but how do we think he'd fit into the system there?
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Honestly, I think his impact would be about the same as it is here. I do believe the far superior structure of the Hurricanes' defensive system will limit his mistakes, but at the same time, I think it's that commitment to the structure that might hinder offensive creativity. But I imagine that is balanced out by being with better players.
 
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It's not going to be fun trying to gauge our WBS players when they come to the NHL with Sullivan as coach. No matter what position they play, they will never perform to any expected level no matter how low the bar is set with this system, and this staff. Hell, established NHL players cannot clear the low bar expected of them, and if they're European, doubly so.
 
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Slavin would masterfully cover up any sort of defensive issues with Karlsson and let Karlsson play the real rover style he's capable of playing. I don't doubt for a second that he'd have a ton of success in Carolina.

It just largely depends on what they'd be offering back in a trade. Unless you do something creative (like a 3-way deal where Carolina sends Burns out), it's definitely going to be an off-season deal. They got Burns for dirt cheap and I'm not sure they'd be willing to go full price for Karlsson, that's just not how they operate.
 
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I remember Johnston and/or Friedman saying that Carolina wasn't seriously pursuing Karlsson during summer 2023. They were basically offering scraps hoping to get a great deal. They do have a greater need now with Burns out the door but who knows if they actually make a decent offer this time
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Slavin would masterfully cover up any sort of defensive issues with Karlsson and let Karlsson play the real rover style he's capable of playing. I don't doubt for a second that he'd have a ton of success in Carolina.

It just largely depends on what they'd be offering back in a trade. Unless you do something creative (like a 3-way deal where Carolina sends Burns out), it's definitely going to be an off-season deal. They got Burns for dirt cheap and I'm not sure they'd be willing to go full price for Karlsson, that's just not how they operate.
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Again I'm not a big Canes watcher, but would Carolina consider the foundation of a trade like EK for Burns (we'd get something else). Or do they need Burns for their playoff run?
 
Malkinstheman said:
I remember Johnston and/or Friedman saying that Carolina wasn't seriously pursuing Karlsson during summer 2023. They were basically offering scraps hoping to get a great deal. They do have a greater need now with Burns out the door but who knows if they actually make a decent offer this time
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That just seems to be how they operate as a franchise tbh. I think they'd absolutely be interested but not for anything substantial.

That said, I do wonder if they'd just be willing to do Morrow for Karlsson straight up because I just don't see a spot for Morrow to play going forward if they get Karlsson. They'd have these D pairs for at least the next 2 years:

Slavin-Karlsson
Gostisbehere-Walker
Nikishin-Chatfield
 
I think the Hurricanes have internal replacements for both Orlov (Nikishin) and Burns (Morrow), so I doubt they are going to go hard after Karlsson. I think most teams will look at Karlsson on the periphery, hoping for a deal like the one Dubas got in the first place. THAT is why we should hang onto him.

On another note, one thing that seems to be under-reported or under the radar is this whole Kolyachonok thing. I mean, he is 23 years old and has 62 NHL games under his belt, including 23 this season. IF we can't give this guy a shot, then who will?

It's absolutely nuts that he has yet to debut for one of the worst defensive teams in the league, AND we have had injuries on defense too. It's Puljujarvi all over again.

Can we start to call the head coach out based on his tendency to hate on European players?
 
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Buddy Bizarre said:
Again I'm not a big Canes watcher, but would Carolina consider the foundation of a trade like EK for Burns (we'd get something else). Or do they need Burns for their playoff run?
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I don't think it's realistic, but I just proposed a kind of 3-way based on EK in and Burns out on the main boards. It was:

Canes get Karlsson at $7 million
Penguins get Morrow and Dallas' 2026 2nd
Stars get Burns
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
That said, this would likely require Rantanen to not re-sign with the Canes because I figure that Karlsson's AAV becomes problematic if they're also paying Rantanen $14 million a year.
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I love the idea of EK to Carolina when they let Burns retire. I don't think Rantanen's signing closes the door on EK. Rough numbers but:

$38mil in space next year
$14 - Rant
$5 - Hall
$3 - BUG
$1 - Nikishin

Leaves them with $15.7mil in space for a dman and resigning another roster guy like Roslovic if they don't elect to replace him with a guy like Nadeau.

If Pens retain $3mil getting him down to $7mil, that's very easy for them to fit even while giving Rantanen the keys to the city. I also don't see taking EK for the last two years as a roadblock to resigning anyone important either.

So yeah, I'm all for it. Morrow+2nd, sign me up. Would much prefer the 2nd be in 2025 but a 2026 2nd works fine as well. 3 2nds in a stronger draft is fine.
 
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Wonder how the timing of moving EK affects how many teams he’d waive for

A lot easier to waive for 3-4 teams when you can see the standings in real time and could have a shot at a real playoff run in a month. Might only get him to waive for 1 or 2 in the summer when he has more time to think about it and not give in to impulse.

Just thinking out loud though, may not matter.
 
Malkinstheman said:
I remember Johnston and/or Friedman saying that Carolina wasn't seriously pursuing Karlsson during summer 2023. They were basically offering scraps hoping to get a great deal. They do have a greater need now with Burns out the door but who knows if they actually make a decent offer this time
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They already had Burns at that point though in addition to Slavin, Pesce, and a few others. I would say he was a pure luxury instead of a reasonable need. With Burns potentially retiring and Orlov maybe leaving, I would say the need for him is actually there. Now how much they are willing to pay is the question. I think with EK though, just finding the partner first is the priority. Return 2nd.
Jag68Sid87 said:
I think the Hurricanes have internal replacements for both Orlov (Nikishin) and Burns (Morrow), so I doubt they are going to go hard after Karlsson. I think most teams will look at Karlsson on the periphery, hoping for a deal like the one Dubas got in the first place. THAT is why we should hang onto him.

On another note, one thing that seems to be under-reported or under the radar is this whole Kolyachonok thing. I mean, he is 23 years old and has 62 NHL games under his belt, including 23 this season. IF we can't give this guy a shot, then who will?

It's absolutely nuts that he has yet to debut for one of the worst defensive teams in the league, AND we have had injuries on defense too. It's Puljujarvi all over again.

Can we start to call the head coach out based on his tendency to hate on European players?
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That's possible I'm not sure Carolina opts to replace an entire NHL-caliber pairing with two rookies, one who has never seen NHL/NA ice before. If we were competing for the cup, would we replace Pettersson-Letang with Pickering-Brunicke? Doubtful.
 
FYI - from LeBrun and Johnston on The Athletic:

For Kyle Dubas, the deadline represents an opportunity to continue his mission of turning over the roster. There are very few untouchables in Pittsburgh, with the GM prioritizing young NHL players, prospects and draft picks as a return in any deals for his established roster players. While not stocked with any of the most-prized rentals on the market, Pittsburgh would like to be active. The organization has no intention of putting its biggest name in play — Sidney Crosby — as it tries to retool its way back to respectability, and the 37-year-old captain remains an impactful player.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6170868/2025/03/03/nhl-trade-deadline-insider/
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
I don't even see how this is true. 22 year old goalies aren't named the starters immediately upon making the NHL. The only starting goalies age 24 or younger in the NHL are Dostal and Wolf, and both of those guys are splitting time in about a 60/40 split with Gibson and Vladar respectively.
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I think 5/17 starts is just poor form. Id view it differently if he had like 8/17. Ned isn't performing great either.

So who cares who starts.
 
Malkinstheman said:
I remember Johnston and/or Friedman saying that Carolina wasn't seriously pursuing Karlsson during summer 2023. They were basically offering scraps hoping to get a great deal. They do have a greater need now with Burns out the door but who knows if they actually make a decent offer this time
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Carolina is known to be in a ton of deals but always hunting for the right price.

Rantanen is probably the biggest swing but in reality Necas wanted to be moved too. So was it that big?
 
DesertedPenguin said:
FYI - from LeBrun and Johnston on The Athletic:

For Kyle Dubas, the deadline represents an opportunity to continue his mission of turning over the roster. There are very few untouchables in Pittsburgh, with the GM prioritizing young NHL players, prospects and draft picks as a return in any deals for his established roster players. While not stocked with any of the most-prized rentals on the market, Pittsburgh would like to be active. The organization has no intention of putting its biggest name in play — Sidney Crosby — as it tries to retool its way back to respectability, and the 37-year-old captain remains an impactful player.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6170868/2025/03/03/nhl-trade-deadline-insider/
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Yeah yeah yeah, we turn the roster over and get older and shittier with every move. We have seen this movie before.

Change the narrative, Kyle! Prove me wrong.
 
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Martone is a guy I'd be pretty happy with drafting. They'd still desperately need centers, but their winger group will definitely not be small with McGroarty and Martone as their 2 best winger prospects.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Martone is a guy I'd be pretty happy with drafting. They'd still desperately need centers, but their winger group will definitely not be small with McGroarty and Martone as their 2 best winger prospects.
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Roger McQueen with that Rags pick sounds great if it ended up falling that way or even Ryabkin
 
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I know the narrative here is that Dubas sucks and can't pick a direction or whatever but the team is rebuilding in all but name at this point
 
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