Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXVI: Sid is Still Goat

[CheckingLineCenter]

IMO, this is nowhere close to "bottoming-out". Chicago traded their core players in Kane and a young DeBrincat, a top prospect in Kirby Dach, a young top-6 LW on a sweetheart deal for multiple years in Hagel, and others. We're talking about moving 31 and 34-YO players that will likely not be contributors by 2028 even.

Following the Chicago model would be forcing 87 to waive his no-trade clause, trading Rust and Malkin in the summer, Bunting now, McGroarty for a 1st, etc.

It might be controversial, but I actually think the "rebuild but keep some of the core guys" method is the best. Yeah, you'd probably get a king's ransom for 87 and 17, but think of the intangibles those guys bring. If they're willing to stay, having those guys in particular around the next wave of young players will make all of those players better. You absolutely don't want a Bedard situation where the team is absolutely terrible and disheartening to the point where his play is affected by it. They may not have been able to get Bedard without bottoming out, yes, but don't you think Bedard would have benefitted from having Kane and Toews at least around?

Yeah I’m not a big fan of developing guys on trash teams.

The tough thing to do is straddle that line. If you’re too good and draft from like 8-14, you’ll probably never get true superstars and will be stuck in purgatory. But if you’re utter trash too fast you look like Chicago right now, which is not a great spot to be in IMO.

Hopefully the current pool can yield some depth NHLers, you keep a couple guys, sign a couple FAs and create a nice infrastructure for young players. Hopefully we can do that and get two, hopefully three, top 3-5 picks from 2025 through 2027.

 

[pensfan71]

Jarry is back ladies and gents

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

 

[pensfan71]

It might be controversial, but I actually think the "rebuild but keep some of the core guys" method is the best. Yeah, you'd probably get a king's ransom for 87 and 17, but think of the intangibles those guys bring. If they're willing to stay, having those guys in particular around the next wave of young players will make all of those players better. You absolutely don't want a Bedard situation where the team is absolutely terrible and disheartening to the point where his play is affected by it. They may not have been able to get Bedard without bottoming out, yes, but don't you think Bedard would have benefitted from having Kane and Toews at least around?

Wouldn't say its controversial at all. Every other job requires a proper mentor for people to succeed, it goes without saying pro sports absolutely needs one. Not everyone is Sid, Mack or McDavid who can make do without TOO MUCH guidance, but they still had it. If we trade Sid and Rust we're f***ed

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think you gotta take the risk of ending up with building block prospects on an island. The important part is landing those franchise pillars, and the way you position yourself best is by trading your Rakells, your Rusts, your EKs, etc. You work on surrounding them after you've got them imo.

You're still gonna have Sid for another two years, maybe longer. Particularly if the team ends up landing guys like Misa, McKenna and Dupont. I imagine he'd be willing to play on a year-by-year basis until he's totally done to mentor those guys and play with actual talent again.

I dunno. There's tremendous risk involved regardless of which plan you follow. I just think genuinely good teams, with longevity, are built in the draft and the supporting cast is filled out via trade, then finishing touches made via FA.

 

[Ulf5]

Finally NHL quality goaltending.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Why not give Larsson a shot?

 

[pensfan71]

Why not give Larsson a shot?

From what I've heard on radio, he's not the best at controlling rebounds, so he'll get lit tf up on this team and why pile on him when we can do that to Jarry instead...anyone who watches WBS want to confirm or refute the claim I've heard?

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Why not give Larsson a shot?

I don't think they want to screw any of these young goalies up. They've given up on the season, the team isn't good, and they don't really care about the future of Jarry and Neds! So make them pay the price is the way I see it..

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I mean, probably the right call. It's more about saving Blomqvist's psyche than getting him NHL minutes with this team.

 

[Ulf5]

It might be controversial, but I actually think the "rebuild but keep some of the core guys" method is the best. Yeah, you'd probably get a king's ransom for 87 and 17, but think of the intangibles those guys bring. If they're willing to stay, having those guys in particular around the next wave of young players will make all of those players better. You absolutely don't want a Bedard situation where the team is absolutely terrible and disheartening to the point where his play is affected by it. They may not have been able to get Bedard without bottoming out, yes, but don't you think Bedard would have benefitted from having Kane and Toews at least around?

Which brings ups a point I've been meaning to make about Chicago. I feel they should be aggressive after someone like Rakell to help with the insulation of Bedard. They already have prospects with all the low drafting. And in the next 3 drafts they have 5 first round picks and 7 second round picks.
They're going to be major players in free agency since they're near the top in cap space. But you're not guaranteed anything in ufa. Grabbing a cost-controlled 25 goal scorer now gives Bedard a wing whether you strike out or hit the jackpot in ufa.
If you get a forward or 2, now you're set.
According to the main boards lineup thread, his current wings are Bertuzzi and Athanasiou.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Calling up Jarry and sending down Blomqvist is the correct call. They gave Blomqvist some rope and he clearly showed he's not NHL ready yet. Let him get some more seasoning in WBS.

 

[Malkinstheman]

I don't think they want to screw anyone of these young goalies up. They've given up on the season, the team isn't good, and they don't really care about the future of Jarry and Neds! So make them pay the price is the way I see it..

I mean Larsson turns 27 this summer. Maybe he just goes back to Sweden if he doesn't get a shot this year

 

[Gurglesons]

Blomqvist and Larsson aren't "young goalies".

This is just further proof this team can't develop prospects.

You call up Blomqist in mid January and then proceed to give him 5 starts over 17 games.

Makes absolutely no f***ing sense. But, then again Mike Sullivan.

 

[pensfan71]

I don't think sending Blommer down is a bad thing whatsoever, his confidence isn't being uplifted whatsoever. The biggest thing with young players is bringing them in a GOOD environment, the environment right now is shit. I don't want to be in a toxic, loser-mentality of an environment, why would we expect young 20-yr olds to thrive in there

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Blomqvist and Larsson aren't "young goalies".

This is just further proof this team can't develop prospects.

Blomqvist just turned 23 which is definitely young for an NHL goalie.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Blomqvist and Larsson aren't "young goalies".

This is just further proof this team can't develop prospects.

Blomqvist just turned 23 lol, what is young for you when talking about goalies? Cause it's very rare nowadays that they come into the league before that age anyway

 

[pensfan71]

Blomqvist just turned 23 which is definitely young for an NHL goalie.

When you're spoiled with MAF, early Murray and, to his credit, early Jarry, expectations are unforunately skewed

 

[Malkinstheman]

Blom should have been sent down a while ago but it's funny that Jarry is being called up after giving up 13 goals in his last 3 games. If they put Ned and Jarry in net together, they might be into something

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Calling up Jarry is hopefully an indication that the team is fine with taking their lumps down the stretch, and understands Blomqvist shouldn't be thrown into the fire. I think they still need to find a way to get Murashov up and a permanent spot in WBS, which likely means trading Ned or Larsson.

 

[eXile3]

It might be controversial, but I actually think the "rebuild but keep some of the core guys" method is the best. Yeah, you'd probably get a king's ransom for 87 and 17, but think of the intangibles those guys bring. If they're willing to stay, having those guys in particular around the next wave of young players will make all of those players better. You absolutely don't want a Bedard situation where the team is absolutely terrible and disheartening to the point where his play is affected by it. They may not have been able to get Bedard without bottoming out, yes, but don't you think Bedard would have benefitted from having Kane and Toews at least around?

Yes, but who is considered ‘core’. Right now it sounds like they aren’t trading anyone who isn’t on an expiring contract which doesn’t include Rakell.

 

[SEALBound]

Peterka would be an absolutely monster addition for the Penguins, but I just can't see any way this team has the assets for him. He's a 23 year old top-6 winger pacing for like 65 points, I don't see any way that Buffalo would entertain moving him. I think you'd probably have to move that Rangers 1st to someone else for a RD or C and then flip that RD/C to Buffalo.

Peterka would be a great asset to have in place if you get a guy (or two) like Misa, McKenna, DuPont in addition to what we currently have. I think the problem is that we don't have the assets Buffalo would likely want. We want the same things - young, capable roster players. A package around Rakell might make sense on paper because that's the kind of guy they need, but realistically, it doesn't make sense.

I think you're right in that, the Rangers 1st in a three-way is about the only avenue I see. I just really struggle seeing who that third party would be and what the asset would be that wouldn't make more sense if they and Buffalo just did a straight swap.

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Thoughts? agree that we should move Raks this year, who knows what the price will be in the summer. I see the argument for both sides business-wise.

Can move these assets for JJ Petts if that gets it done

Too much from Utah. They are quickly becoming my 2nd team and I don't know what they to mortgage their future like that. That 1st is gonna be a top 10 pick. Right in that 8-12ov range. Rakell ain't worth that IMHO especially if a good young player and an additional 2nd is coming back as well.

I do think targeting a 2025 2nd in this draft is important. Don't care who it is, but I think it's key to get one coming back, especially if the 1st from the Rangers goes to 2026.

 

[Gurglesons]

Blomqvist just turned 23 which is definitely young for an NHL goalie.

NHL starter? Yes.

Getting NHL minutes? No.

 

[eXile3]

Blom should have been sent down a while ago but it's funny that Jarry is being called up after giving up 13 goals in his last 3 games. If they put Ned and Jarry in net together, they might be into something

Full tank baby! Honestly prime Patrick Roy could be back there and it’s not going to matter.

 

[Khelandros]

With only 2 games left until the deadline and no chance of making the playoffs do we start seeing Penguins held out of the lineup for trade related reasons?

Do you really think a contender is looking at the Pens roster and thinking to themselves, "you know what, we are probably one Noel Accari away from really taking a run at this thing.".????