Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXVI: Sid is Still Goat
- Thread starter Zirakzigil
- Start date
-
Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Le Magnifique 66
Let's Go Pens
They don't even have any picks left for this years draft, so a 1st for 2026 would be nice.
Bourque I don't think they move him, but he would be a solid addition with a later round pick.
Same goes for Hemming or Minnetian along with a 2nd or 3rd in next year's drat
Deport Ogie
Registered User
Young goalies are tough. You want them to play and develop and do so at the NHL level if you have any hope for them but you also risk Carter Harting them. I mean cratering play, not.....that other thing.
It would probably help to have an actual goaltender coach who has a track record of development which I'm not sure the Penguins have EVER employed. With a bevy of young keepers that you hope turn into legitimate starters, now would be a good time to consider that.
It would probably help to have an actual goaltender coach who has a track record of development which I'm not sure the Penguins have EVER employed. With a bevy of young keepers that you hope turn into legitimate starters, now would be a good time to consider that.
Le Magnifique 66
Let's Go Pens
There is no hope for this team this season, at this point they were better off keeping Jarry and using him as the backup here and there not touching WBS letting everyone develop and build chemistry together. At this point, having Jarry play like shit and get lit up is what we want for this year...
BlindWillyMcHurt
ti kallisti
- May 31, 2004
- 36,671
- 31,905
What... Andy "The (Other) Dragon" Chiodo doesn't inspire confidence?
- Jun 13, 2010
- 43,881
- 23,102
Couldn't agree more. You don't want to ruin or stunt the development of Blomqvist in anyway, especially for this season. I would be a bit shocked if they didn't send him down and bring up Larsson sometime soon. I wondered yesterday if we would see that announcement today.
I would ask for something like 2026 1st + Dumba + 2026 3rd or a prospect. Christian Kyrou would be my preference. If we could get Bourque, that would be even better.
I'd be willing to retain a bit more but I think what we'd be asking for from Dallas for that retention may go over the mark a bit. They are talking about Seth Jones at $9.5mil and I imagine there's no retention there. They have Benn coming off the books and if they dump Dumba as well, it gets pretty easy to accomodate.
But if they wanted to do something like 2026 1st + Dumba + Bourque for EK65 @ $7mil + Poulin, I'd do it
Deport Ogie
Registered User
Having Chiodo Dragon as a nickname is by far the most inspiring thing about the man. To be fair though, that fact is pretty badass.
Randy Butternubs
FDJT
EK65 to Dallas makes a ton of sense to me and I hope Dubas offers 50% retention to maximize the return.
Malkinstheman
Registered User
- Aug 12, 2012
- 10,590
- 10,798
Panthers also make sense but cap will be harder to figure out with them. Their right side after Ekblad is a travesty and as a whole they aren't getting much offensive production from their D
Gurglesons
Registered User
Makes sense if you actually get back anything.
Makes zero sense to just move on from EK65. He will retain value and is the # 1 driver of offense on this team.
You keep him unless he asks out or the return is so large you can't refuse it, which I highly doubt it will be.
Yeah, to be clear I don't view EK65 as a cap dump. I think at 50% off he should be worth a 1st, a prospect, and a mediocre NHLer making 2 to 4MM aav for the next year or two. If it's like EK65 for 10MM of cap dumps and a 2nd I'd rather keep him.
- Jun 13, 2010
- 43,881
- 23,102
I would love it if EK when to Florida. I'm rooting for them to repeat. I just have no idea what an actual deal looks like. I think they only do if we retain heavily - like 50%, maybe even a 3rd party to retain a bit more. They need to keep funds open to resign Bennett who is more important to their playoff dreams than EK would be. Looking at their prospect pool, it's pretty bleak.
Dennis Reynolds
I have to have my tools!
So he's been reading this board since Heiskanen got hurt?
I'd be very underwhelmed if a Karlsson deal with Dallas had Bourque as the main piece coming back. And since they'd almost certainly have to send Dumba as well, who is the definition of useless cap dump, the price goes up.
In terms of skillset, there's no one even slightly similar to Karlsson who may be available. You want a generational offensive defenseman who is the only player who could potentially fill the hole left by Heiskanen?
It's Bichsel or bust.
- Jun 13, 2010
- 43,881
- 23,102
Yeah, I'm not wanting to do another Pettersson trade where we take back two bad contracts. I'm willing to take 1 as long as it comes with a decent pick and prospect.
As I said, 2026 1st + Dumba + Bourque would make sense. Tougher from Florida but 2026 1st + Erod + Sawchyn could work. In both cases, retain up to 50%.
Yes, the premise is EK would fill in for Heiskanen this year and bolster their 2nd pairing next year. Bourque is a good young piece that will develop well I think. It depends on what you consider the main piece though. If it's 1st, Dumba, and Bourque, I consider the 1st to be the main piece.
They aren't doing Bichsel nor should they. We didn't sell off our best prospects/roster dmen/forward when Sid/Geno were down in 2011 and we only gave up a 2nd to get Hainsey when Letang went down in 2017. They need Bichsel more than EK.
Dennis Reynolds
I have to have my tools!
Then they don't actually want Karlsson.
If the return is Bourque, a 2026 1st (which will be somewhere in the pick 26+ range), and Dumba (pure cap dump), then there needs to be at least a B+ prospect also coming back.
Hopefully their scouting department.
- Jun 13, 2010
- 43,881
- 23,102
I mean, I don't know how to reply to that exactly as I stated Bourque would be coming back. He was a PPG center in the AHL and is doing well in the NHL this year. I guess in terms of prospects, he'd probably be a A. As is, he looks like a young NHL roster player.
Again, you can say "well Dumba plus 1st isn't enough" but that basically ignores what I actually said.
I'd be fine with 26 1st, Bourque, and Dumba. Ideally, you could dump Dumba at the TDL next year. So you're looking at 2026 1st which a strong draft (as currently reported), a young NHL player, and a 4th next year. Considering Karlsson is 34 and is carrying a $10mil hit, that's not a bad return.
I just remembered we gave Graves a 5 year contract. 5 years! I wish our GM would go golfing or shopping for new puffer vest’s on July 1.
Empoleon8771
Registered User
Dumba, Bischel and a 2026 1st for Karlsson at $7 million would be my target for a return. But count me skeptical that they'll be moving Karlsson before the deadline.
I realize we would have to take back a totally useless player from Dallas for cap purposes and to maximize the return in the other portion of the deal, but Matt Dumba might be the worst D-man in the NHL (excluding current Penguins). He makes Seth Jones look like Nic Lidstrom. But Dumba's contract is only 1 more season, and as long as we're tanking anyway we might as well go for the worst. Don't forget to resign POJ too.
Edit: And by all means keep Sullivan around.
Edit: And by all means keep Sullivan around.
ChaosAgent
Registered User
- May 8, 2018
- 18,763
- 12,829
Randy Butternubs
FDJT
Ugene Magic
EVIL LAUGH
There can only be retention by the Pens since San Jose already retained 1.5 on him.
So, 5.0 by the Pens or the 3rd party is all that can be done. No three team retention allowed.
