Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXVI: Sid is Still Goat

[Big Friggin Dummy]

FWIW Hayes is on pace for 29pts and Glass is on pace for 24pts. They're both nobodies, and there's a reason this team got draft picks in order to take them.

People really have to stop thinking from the standpoint of this team trying to compete. It's over, man. Let go. It doesn't matter is Glass or Hayes is your 3C for a couple years.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

FWIW Hayes is on pace for 29pts and Glass is on pace for 24pts. They're both nobodies, and there's a reason this team got draft picks in order to take them.

People really have to stop thinking from the standpoint of this team trying to compete. It's over, man. Let go. It doesn't matter is Glass or Hayes is your 3C for a couple years.

How much playing time has Hayes received on the second line as Malkin's winger? Compared to Glass, none I believe. He was also a healthy scratch for a lengthy stretch. And still has played four fewer games and produced more points. Hayes has 9 goals, too. That's not nothing. Glass couldn't score with $500 in his pocket roaming the streets of Amsterdam.

Also, it's not really over if the GM, coach and captain are all playing to win. There is no point in watching if you think it's over.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

How much playing time has Hayes received on the second line as Malkin's winger? Compared to Glass, none I believe. He was also a healthy scratch for a lengthy stretch. And still has played four fewer games and produced more points. Hayes has 9 goals, too. That's not nothing. Glass couldn't score with $500 in his pocket roaming the streets of Amsterdam.

Also, it's not really over if the GM, coach and captain are all playing to win. There is no point in watching if you think it's over.

I mean, you're splitting hairs and dissecting two like 25-30pt players, man. Shit doesn't matter.

It's been over since Mario stopped giving a shit following the Montreal play-in. But apparently the "guy's we're trying super duper hard, pinky promise--as long as Sid's here we have a shot" PR stuff they roll out every few months is somewhat effective.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Raks and EK have to be increasing their value with how they've played at the 4 nations. Hope Dubi sells high on them.

 

[Darren McCord]

People really have to stop thinking from the standpoint of this team trying to compete.

Tell that to management. It would surprise me to see them fire sullivan and trade more players.

It also wouldn’t surprise me to see them try to overpay for Marner keep Sullivan and do more of the same stuff hoping for a revelation

I have no idea what they are planning and I don’t think anyone really does,

 

[BillyOcean]

People on this board complain about signing stiffs for 2+ million for the bottom 6.

"Re-sign Glass"

 

[AuroraBorealis]

People on this board complain about signing stiffs for 2+ million for the bottom 6.

"Re-sign Glass"

Well, at what price tag are we talkin for this extension? Probably will be close to league minimum, right? Remember that we were paid in draft capital to take on Glass at 2.5M.

Glass has been the 2nd stingiest PK'er on the team. Really solid defensive analytics at ES as well, under very difficult conditions.

You'd like more scoring, but it's easy to envision replacing him with someone who scores perhaps 20% more, but doesn't defend half as well. At that point you're better off just re-signing Glass.

 

[Ulf5]

That's last year's range for comp. This year's will obviously be a bit higher.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10151535-5-2025-nhl-restricted-free-agents-that-teams-should-target-with-an-offer-sheet

Any of these 5 worth an offer sheet?
I'm sure Dubas would have interest in Knies.
But I don't see how you risk next year's 1st.

 

[Gurglesons]

People on this board complain about signing stiffs for 2+ million for the bottom 6.

"Re-sign Glass"

Big difference between signing a 30-33 year old Acciari or Nieto and a 25-26 year old glass.

There HAS to be a better option for our 3C next season than Cody Glass. Besides, we all agree that our next 3C needs to be closer to a 2C so that we can transition Malkin to a lesser offensive role. Cody Glass as a 2C makes me want to vomit profusely.

And we all know this coach is going to be here. So a little memo to Dubas: no more players named G-L-A-S-S.


Only in Pittsburgh is a 26-year-old going on AHL journeyman status "young".

But hey, he is younger than Kevin Hayes so yay us.

And for the record, Kevin Hayes is so much more effective than Glass. It's not even close.

I assume if we re-sign Glass he’ll be our 4C.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Glass can come back at league minimum. He isn't worth a penny over that.

 

[Andy99]

From Matt Vensel’s “From the Point” story this morning…just depressing to wake up to this lol…

• I anticipate we will see Mike Sullivan behind the bench next season, as well. If so, all those theories about him and young players are going to be put to the test.

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2025/02/16/nhl-trade-deadline-sidney-crosby-rickard-rakell-bryan-rust/stories/202502120116

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I've been trying my best to manifest a Sullivan firing but I am simply not powerful enough.

 

[eXile3]

People on this board complain about signing stiffs for 2+ million for the bottom 6.

"Re-sign Glass"

I doubt he’ll be brought back at his current cap hit. If he comes back it will be more aligned with his role which is pretty much 4C

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Mike Sullivan proving he can coach at the highest level. We are f***ed lol

 

[Ulf5]

I doubt he’ll be brought back at his current cap hit. If he comes back it will be more aligned with his role which is pretty much 4C

Yeah, almost zero chance of an rfa tender.
His required tender is 100%- $2.5 million. Then you run the risk of arbitration.

 

[Darren McCord]

Big difference between signing a 30-33 year old Acciari or Nieto and a 25-26 year old glass

I mean I guess but thats if they sign glass to what he is worth and not 2+ mill. The problem is still having Acciari, Hayes and Heinen signed. You can't keep all 3 and bring back Glass at his current rate. The bottom 6 would just be trash.

Glass needs to come back on like 1.5 on a show me contract. Something that is moveable at the deadline without any retention.

If you are spending on guys like this it should be with the idea that they have a good year and can be traded not kept around.

 

[PamBallam]

From Matt Vensel’s “From the Point” story this morning…just depressing to wake up to this lol…

• I anticipate we will see Mike Sullivan behind the bench next season, as well. If so, all those theories about him and young players are going to be put to the test.

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2025/02/16/nhl-trade-deadline-sidney-crosby-rickard-rakell-bryan-rust/stories/202502120116

Not surprising. The only way Sullivan is fired is if the guy making FSG money (Sid) wants him gone.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Mike Sullivan proving he can coach at the highest level. We are f***ed lol

Dubas just has to find a way to get both Tkachuks, Jake, Hughes, Matthews, Eichel, Slavin, Werenski, McAvoy, Faber, Fox and Hellebuyck and then we're set.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Like I said in the other thread, I think Sullivan is a legitimately good coach but is wildly past his expiration date and refuses to adjust based on the roster he has here. The best thing this team could do with him is trade him to someone desperate after seeing what he could do with talent, if that is allowed that is.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I didn't really ever believe it but I was hoping this season would've been the straw that broke the camel's back and Sully would be replaced. Three years missing in a row, haven't won a round in almost a decade, we probably won't get to see Sid play playoff hockey again. If that doesn't do it, nothing except an outside force will; Sully himself quitting, Sid asking for a new coach/system, or a team offering up some king's ransom to take Sully.

As for the "Sully's a good coach, just an egomaniac whose pride spitefully sabotages all his smarts" thing, I dunno if you can really call that guy a good coach tbh. He probably isn't as dumb as a Mike Johnston, a Dan Bylsma, or a Dave Hakstol, but if his other issues completely negate his big brains, what's the difference?

 

[cygnus47]

I didn't really ever believe it but I was hoping this season would've been the straw that broke the camel's back and Sully would be replaced. Three years missing in a row, haven't won a round in almost a decade, we probably won't get to see Sid play playoff hockey again. If that doesn't do it, nothing except an outside force will; Sully himself quitting, Sid asking for a new coach/system, or a team offering up some king's ransom to take Sully.

As for the "Sully's a good coach, just an egomaniac whose pride spitefully sabotages all his smarts" thing, I dunno if you can really call that guy a good coach tbh. He probably isn't as dumb as a Mike Johnston, a Dan Bylsma, or a Dave Hakstol, but if his other issues completely negate his big brains, what's the difference?

Sully is in perfect form, preventing Sid from winning meaningful hockey better than anyone since 2010.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I just really only care about not having Sully around for the next crop of post-Sid/Geno building blocks tbh. This team's gonna lose and be bad for years--hell, they've already been doing that for years. I just want someone more capable and/or willing in charge of coaching and developing the next crop if building blocks.

This team's barely been background noise-worthy for a few seasons now. The watchability factor went out the window long ago, let alone pretending they're anything more than a distant afterthought anymore as far as competing goes.

 

[Ulf5]

Dubas just has to find a way to get both Tkachuks, Jake, Hughes, Matthews, Eichel, Slavin, Werenski, McAvoy, Faber, Fox and Hellebuyck and then we're set.

So true. Kind of hard to lose with the best goalie, best D unit and 2nd best F unit in a 4 team league lol. All while your closest competitor has the 4th best goalie of the 4 starters.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Moving this here, to not derail the 4Nations thread.

They are at the very least 4-5 seasons away right. Could be 3 if they nuke it. The issue I worry about is now we are working with different owners. We are no longer a 1st class organization, from what I have heard from people who were in the organization. Everyone from Lemieux's regime is gone - it's all FSG, and they are closer to Baldwin/Marino than Lemieux/Burkle.

It's setting up perfectly for Sid to take over with Mario financing his deal after this thing totally skids out. Done and done. Sid is the Prez/Owner of the Pens for the next 30 years.

Yeah, and that's my point. This is not the time to make expensive, long-term commitments to players over 30.
Those players will be too old to be big contributors when the Pens are ready to win again. Hell, they probably won't even be here or will just straight up be retired when that happens.

In the same vein, this is 100% the time to deal Rakell. Capitalize on his value in an outlier year and unload him. You don't need anything out of him in rebuild years.

 

[JTG]

Moving this here, to not derail the 4Nations thread.


Yeah, and that's my point. This is not the time to make expensive, long-term commitments to players over 30.
Those players will be too old to be big contributors when the Pens are ready to win again. Hell, they probably won't even be here or will just straight up be retired when that happens.

In the same vein, this is 100% the time to deal Rakell. Capitalize on his value in an outlier year and unload him. You don't need anything out of him in rebuild years.

I actually do think they have two guys in Pickering and McGroarty that I would be super comfortable with being the next leadership on the ice for the team. We just have to wait and see how they pan out. We have a lot of picks in these upcoming drafts, but it comes back to the issue I have with NHL Draft and the rules around it - projecting a 17/18 year old is literally a shot in the dark for the most part. I'd rather draft age be 20, and us sucking and rebuilding would be a 2-3 year process, at most, and not a 5-7. We are so far away from where we need to be. This is a decade long thing unless something comes along and bumps it off its course.