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Big Friggin Dummy said:
I think the hurdle with any Rakell-Winnipeg deal is that Rakell likely has Winnipeg on his no trade list, and while they look like a really strong team, I dunno if the guy wants to lock into three more years in Winnipeg for a playoff run this season. :laugh:
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I know it's Winnipeg, but they have all the pieces to be a competitive team for the duration of his contract.
 
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I think Rakell says no to Winnipeg due to the term he has left on his deal. If he only had 1 year left, I think he'd be open to it to go on a cup run this year, but 3 more years in Winnipeg is something I figure he's not too excited about.

I still think LA is the Penguins best bet for a Rakell trade. The only issue is that their prospect pool kinda stinks, Greentree is their only prospect that looks particularly good. What sucks is that he's literally a single day away from being AHL eligible next year, he was born January 1st.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
Friedman has talked about Rakell to Winnipeg a few times but he speculated earlier today that Winnipeg is on Rakell's NTC.
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is it a NTC from when he first signed or does he submit a list every off-season? WPG now is different than when he signed this contract, I imagine
 
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IcedCapp said:
Rakell currently lives in PA and was born in Sweden... is he really gonna be that hung up on the weather/night life of a city he's only gonna be in 8 months a year?
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I think that probably adds to his desire to not be in Winnipeg tbh. :laugh: He also spent a decade in SoCal.
IcedCapp said:
is it a NTC from when he first signed or does he submit a list every off-season? WPG now is different than when he signed this contract, I imagine
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I think every guy re-submits a list each July iirc.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
Beyond when Rakell is still on the Penguins.

If this team was trying to be competitive within 2-3 years, they wouldn't have spent all of last off-season signing 1 year deals and taking on bad deals for money. They wouldn't have traded Guentzel or Pettersson (especially Pettersson, who wanted to stay with the Penguins) for futures. They wouldn't be talking about trading Rakell right now or Karlsson in the off-season, where it seems basically guaranteed that Karlsson will be shipped out.
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1. Couldnt answer a simple question. Bravo.

2. None of those things listed prevent them from aiming at a timeframe before 2030.

3. Every report including statement made by themselves support they are looking at a more accelerated timeframe than 2030.

Thinking trading a pending ufa in 2024/2025 means theyre not trying to be competitive before 2030 is some galaxy brained shit.

Especially when you completely agree with every single thing im saying in a separate post literally made in between our conversation.
 
I think your best bet is to try and get value in a deal with LA. Winnipeg probably wants Rakell the most from what I've heard/read, but LA is likely the easiest to pull off. Just gotta get a deal that makes sense from the Pens' perspective.
 
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If the Penguins had any intention on competing in the next 3 years, they would have paid Guentzel what he wanted and they would have re-signed Pettersson this year. Those two decisions alone make me entirely convinced that this team is not looking to compete during the remainder of Rakell’s deal.

Being a douche in replies while also being wrong is a great way for people to just stop responding fyi.
 
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Randy Butternubs said:
Even with all these picks and prospects the Pens will allegedly have, they'll take years to develop. And some don't work out.
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110%. We are talking a good 5 years minimum. That's hopefully with the players selected in the last 2 drafts and the younger players acquired in the Jake deal and if they all pan out. But in reality and in order to work, we need top 5 picks for at least 2-3 years.
 
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Randy Butternubs said:
Even with all these picks and prospects the Pens will allegedly have, they'll take years to develop. And some don't work out.
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i imagine if someone is talking about competing before 2030, it means we're turning most of the younger players/assets into slightly-older, more-ready players/assets. I don't want to speak for anyone else, but I can't imagine how we do a half-assed tank with Sid and Geno still here, which means even if we're drafting 5th, we're never drafting 1st (without Uncle Gary's influence), which really hurts the ability to have a super-quick turnaround
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
If the Penguins had any intention on competing in the next 3 years, they would have paid Guentzel what he wanted and they would have re-signed Pettersson this year. Those two decisions alone make me entirely convinced that this team is not looking to compete during the remainder of Rakell’s deal.

Being a douche in replies while also being wrong is a great way for people to just stop responding fyi.
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Trading ufa’s especially one that wanted a significant raise in 2024 doesnt mean that theyre not trying to compete before 2030.

Its not my fault your acting like a dipshit.

You have not made on salient point in your argument that theyre are aiming after 2030.

You ignore all reports and actions pointing that that are trying to do it faster. Including their own words.

Your so hung up in the concept of the word rebuild that your even disagreeing with your other posts.

So i will ask again. What year is the front office aiming for in this rebuild?
 
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WheresRamziAbid said:
Trading ufa’s especially one that wanted a significant raise in 2024 doesnt mean that theyre not trying to compete before 2030.

Its not my fault your acting like a dipshit.

You have not made on salient point in your argument that theyre are aiming after 2030.

You ignore all reports and actions pointing that that are trying to do it faster. Including their own words.

Your so hung up in the concept of the word rebuild that your even disagreeing with your other posts.

So i will ask again. What year is the front office aiming for in this rebuild?
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The Penguins have plenty of money to have been able to afford both Pettersson and Guentzel. Guentzel's raise was $2 million a year and Pettersson's raise was like $1.5 million a year. How does trading those guys rather than just paying them those pretty minor raises suggest this team is trying to contend anytime soon?

The Penguins could have had the money to pay for Guentzel's raise with simply just not trading for Hayes, Hayes' $3.5 million plus Bunting's $4.5 million would have covered an $8 million extension for Guentzel. If they were trying to contend anytime soon, why does trading a prime aged top line winger for futures make any sense? Same exact thing with Pettersson, they have even more money to keep him with the skyrocketing cap but they didn't even entertain re-signing him.

You're acting like reports of the Penguins being interested in trading a 1st for a young NHL player somehow counts for more than the Penguins literally trading prime aged players they had the money to keep for that 1st in the first place.

It's really this simple: if the Penguins planned on contending before 2028, Guentzel and Pettersson would still be here. They would have been re-signed rather than be traded for futures.
 
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