Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXV - Poolman and Poolparty?!?

[SEALBound]

On Chychrun specifically, I don't think you'd be able to get him to sign. I think he'll use this year as a case to get a long-term deal, I don't think he'd risk taking a short term deal after the great year he's having. He's likely signing for something like 7x7 or higher.

However, I think you can get Orlov at a high AAV, short term deal due to his age. Orlov is turning 34 this off-season and is still an effective top-4 D. I think you can easily get him for a 2 year, high AAV deal to play with EK until Karlsson's deal is done. It would give you this D group for next year:

Orlov-Karlsson
Pickering-Letang
Graves/POJ-Desharnais

If Pickering struggles and needs more seasoning in the AHL, promote POJ to the 2nd pair and have Graves-Desharnais as the 3rd pair. I think it's a no brainer to do that with Orlov, basically out-bid anyone for him and plan on having him and Karlsson as a pair until you trade one or both.

At forward, I don't really see anyone that sticks out to me as a "short term, high AAV" guy I think the Penguins could get signed and makes sense for them to sign. Trading Rakell and signing Marchand to play with Crosby is a hilariously good idea, but there's no chance Marchand leaves Boston to sign with the Penguins. He's 100% going cup chasing if he's leaving Boston.

If you're doing that, what's the overall team goal? Are we signing Orlov and keeping EK because we want to be a playoff team? Or would the general expectation we that we'd be as good as we are now and have a similar chance at the playoffs are we do now?

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of that defense or adding Chychrun but I think given that next year a generational talent is available and we have the realistic potential to be bad, I don't think we should be adding potential impact guys that keep us from the bottom.

I think this was a year to get back to the playoffs. Given that it didn't go well, you waive the white flag this year and next. Then in the summer of 26, retool for one last attempt with Sid. Best case, you're retooling with McKenna and Misa (or equiv) on the roster. With that, if you trade EK out, you have a mountain of cap space to surround Sid and McKenna with legit talent (provided our youngins don't cut it but hey, maybe they do). I would even venture the bet that Sid would extend a year if it means guiding a duo of McKenna-Misa on a competitive roster.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If you're doing that, what's the overall team goal? Are we signing Orlov and keeping EK because we want to be a playoff team? Or would the general expectation we that we'd be as good as we are now and have a similar chance at the playoffs are we do now?

Don't get wrong, I love the idea of that defense or adding Chychrun but I think given that next year a generational talent is available and we have the realistic potential to be bad, I don't think we should be adding potential impact guys that keep us from the bottom.

I think this was a year to get back to the playoffs. Given that it didn't go well, you waive the white flag this year and next. Then in the summer of 26, retool for one last attempt with Sid. Best case, you're retooling with McKenna and Misa (or equiv) on the roster. With that, if you trade EK out, you have a mountain of cap space to surround Sid and McKenna with legit talent (provided our youngins don't cut it but hey, maybe they do). I would even venture the bet that Sid would extend a year if it means guiding a duo of McKenna-Misa on a competitive roster.

I think this is looking at things too black and white. The point of adding Orlov is to give them a top-4 D that can be used as trade bait in the future and give some extra insurance on Pickering in case Pickering struggles. Whether you want to say that's "rebuilding" or "contending" doesn't really make a difference, it's a move that makes sense based on the team needs and wanting to give the young guys a proper environment to develop.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Weekes causing drama again with another eyes emoji tweet about Buffalo.

I'd absolutely coom if they trade the Rangers 1st for Bowen Byram.

He did play 82 last year in Ottawa, like you said he will definitely get more than he should given the circumstances of the cap going up in the next 3 years. Honestly, it all depends what we do with our current D's like EK and Letang. I would definitely be interested but I'm scared he ends up being another Paul Martin

We just need D especially if we trade Karlsson.

why? we don't want to improve this team till we get our new core. having chychrun would only make it harder and extend our rebuild if not putting us into a long drawn out stuck in the middle hell.

If he gets hurt we suc

I think the team wants to be genuinely competitive again by 2027.

Yep

That's 1 full healthy season out of 7 lol. The rest aren't even close. But maybe with the rate Penguins players get hurt he'll stay healthy.

If he's hurt then we suck so its. Okay.

I would love Chychrun here...but why would he want to come here?

Well aware. Money talks. Cap space.

Dubas does something cool for once and offers him like 12-13 million x 2.

Honestly I'd be open to like 10 to 11 on 2 or 3 years. Would be great. Final year is a 16 team NTC.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think this is looking at things too black and white. The point of adding Orlov is to give them a top-4 D that can be used as trade bait in the future and give some extra insurance on Pickering in case Pickering struggles. Whether you want to say that's "rebuilding" or "contending" doesn't really make a difference, it's a move that makes sense based on the team needs and wanting to give the young guys a proper environment to develop.

Yeah, I'm not sure what is complicated about this.

 

[BillyOcean]

Have no issues signing players who can always be traded later. Good asset management.

 

[Freeptop]

Just going to mention that when Weekes posts the eyeballs, they aren't always about trades.
As I recall, it was later the same day that he posted the eyeballs with the Pittsburgh skyline that he posted about FSG looking to sell off a minority portion of ownership in the Pens.

So, misleading and click-baity, to be sure, but there was something behind it. But that's also a reason to not get too excited over any eyeball emoji posts. It could just as easily be something business-related, rather than directly hockey-related.

 

[pistolpete11]

Just going to mention that when Weekes posts the eyeballs, they aren't always about trades.
As I recall, it was later the same day that he posted the eyeballs with the Pittsburgh skyline that he posted about FSG looking to sell off a minority portion of ownership in the Pens.

So, misleading and click-baity, to be sure, but there was something behind it. But that's also a reason to not get too excited over any eyeball emoji posts. It could just as easily be something business-related, rather than directly hockey-related.

I thought it was a few days later, but still, I'm learning today that people thought that was about Petts.

 

[eXile3]

Rakell’s value is going to fall if Sid is out a while.

 

[Rudy Russo]

Rakell’s value is going to fall if Sid is out a while.

Yes, but Nieto on the third line may save the penguins season.

 

[Ulf5]

I thought it was a few days later, but still, I'm learning today that people thought that was about Petts.

No one thought that.

 

[IcedCapp]

Omfg oilers were offering mcdavid for DOC and dumbass said no?? What a loser

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Yeah, we should be going out of our way to not be Chicago if we get a high pick. Which is why would should be trying to season some of our AHL guys right now. So that if you get, say, McKenna, you have a couple young guys to put around him that aren't wide-eyed and timid when facing off against NHL juggernauts. Nor do you have to sign the corpses of Perry or Foligno.

Would you be willing to sign an affidavit that states if Dubas DOES do that, as stated, and you bitch about it, that you would be willing to leave this site forever, under penalty of law?

SEALBound, do you want to tank or don't you want to tank? Because every post I read from you leads me to believe you want this team to lose every game from now until the McKenna draft. But then you state that we should not be Chicago. Well, Chicago tanked and now they are dealing with its ramifications.

Look, it is hard enough to ice a team to try to make the playoffs. Forget about the idea of trying to build the ideal "tank" roster. That is over-thinking 101. And for the record, I don't want this team to throw in the towel. Because you can never be successful at losing if Sidney Crosby is captaining the ship. The best thing we can hope for is sneaking into the playoffs and doing some damage...all the while trading off assets and continuing to build up the future picks, prospects and young NHLers pool. So far, we have done well with future picks, fairly decent with prospects and piss-poor with adding young NHLers. Tomasino is OK. Glass is neither young nor good. We need more of those additions in order to accelerate this even more.

Lastly, just because you don't agree with Gurglesons on just about anything does not mean you should be pushing for him to leave this board. I rarely agree with Gurglesons, but I do like the bantering and the differences in opinion.

 

[Ulf5]

'Pittsburgh wanted that pick. I'm going to be very interested to see if Pittsburgh keeps that pick or if they try to turn it into another young player. It's top 13 protected this year but unprotected next year and I'll be curious to see if a team wants to gamble on what kind of year the Rangers will have next year.'

Elliotte Friedman reveals Pittsburgh Penguins may make another major trade involving first-round draft pick

NHL insider Elliotte Friedman revealed on Monday that Kyle Dubas may have another trade up his sleeve in the next few weeks. Last month, the Vancouver Canucks finally ended the drama between Elias Pettersson and JT Miller by trading Miller to his former club in the New York Rangers.

www.yardbarker.com

 

[Malkinstheman]

I'd be much more interested in trading the Pens own pick if it's not top-6. You keep the Rangers pick if its in 2026 and see what happens with them.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'd easily trade that pick if you're getting a young player to justify doing it. It's just a major question of who that "young player" would be.

You've seen guys like Sandin, Newhook, Dach, Romanov and such moved in those kind of deals in the past few years. I probably would pull the trigger if they could pull off someone similar to that group, but I don't know who would fall in that category. There aren't many 20 or 21 year old NHLers available for trade.

Nemec is probably the closest option as a guy who could be traded, but he's bringing back what Jiricek brought back which is way more than just the NYR 1st. I would definitely go for it but I figure it's the Rangers 1st++ for Nemec.

 

[Ulf5]

I'd easily trade that pick if you're getting a young player to justify doing it. It's just a major question of who that "young player" would be.

You've seen guys like Sandin, Newhook, Dach, Romanov and such moved in those kind of deals in the past few years. I probably would pull the trigger if they could pull off someone similar to that group, but I don't know who would fall in that category. There aren't many 20 or 21 year old NHLers available for trade.

Nemec is probably the closest option as a guy who could be traded, but he's bringing back what Jiricek brought back which is way more than just the NYR 1st. I would definitely go for it but I figure it's the Rangers 1st++ for Nemec.

It'd have to be a special player to give up that Rags' pick imo. That potentially could be the lottery winning pick next year.

 

[Gurglesons]

Petts gets 5.5 x 6 glad we avoided that.

 

[Gurglesons]

I'd easily trade that pick if you're getting a young player to justify doing it. It's just a major question of who that "young player" would be.

You've seen guys like Sandin, Newhook, Dach, Romanov and such moved in those kind of deals in the past few years. I probably would pull the trigger if they could pull off someone similar to that group, but I don't know who would fall in that category. There aren't many 20 or 21 year old NHLers available for trade.

Nemec is probably the closest option as a guy who could be traded, but he's bringing back what Jiricek brought back which is way more than just the NYR 1st. I would definitely go for it but I figure it's the Rangers 1st++ for Nemec.

I’d easily trade an identical future package for Nemec if it’s not our 1st.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Rutherford gonna Rutherford.

 

[Pancakes]

I dunno call me crazy but I think that's a good deal for Pettersson.

I am glad we didn't sign him to it because there's absolutely no reason for us to have kept him over getting a first for him, but if you're a team that fancies yourself a contender 5.5 for 6 is a perfectly reasonable deal for a top 4 defenseman.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Nemec is a f***ing stud, I like him a lot. Now, how do we get him from the Devils is the big question!! No chance they move him to us

 

[Pancakes]

Nemec would be great but I have no idea why the Devils would move him for a futures based package. They're a pretty win-now team. Better to just keep him if they're gonna deal him for futures.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I'm keeping that Rangers 1st rounder unless a long term solution, stud player is coming back. If you're not getting a guy to build around or a dude who instantly becomes the best prospect in the system, keep it imo. The chances that an old Rangers team that's already showing signs of faltering falls off a cliff next season are too high. Could end up being a situation where the Pens luck into their own Stutzle or something on top of what's likely to be a very high pick of their own.

Rakell’s value is going to fall if Sid is out a while.

Get on that phone, Dweebas.

 

[Gurglesons]

I dunno call me crazy but I think that's a good deal for Pettersson.

I am glad we didn't sign him to it because there's absolutely no reason for us to have kept him over getting a first for him, but if you're a team that fancies yourself a contender 5.5 for 6 is a perfectly reasonable deal for a top 4 defenseman.

The issue is Vancouver thinks they are a contender.

Nemec is a f***ing stud, I like him a lot. Now, how do we get him from the Devils is the big question!! Now chance they move him to us

I don’t think they want a future package if they move him and honestly based on their play last night they’d be moronic to make that type of move.

 

[Malkinstheman]

That NMC is gross but I was fully expecting JR to give Pettersson 6.5m+. 5.5m will be peanuts for a top-4 D in 2-3 years