Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXV - Poolman and Poolparty?!?

[SEALBound]

On Chychrun specifically, I don't think you'd be able to get him to sign. I think he'll use this year as a case to get a long-term deal, I don't think he'd risk taking a short term deal after the great year he's having. He's likely signing for something like 7x7 or higher.

However, I think you can get Orlov at a high AAV, short term deal due to his age. Orlov is turning 34 this off-season and is still an effective top-4 D. I think you can easily get him for a 2 year, high AAV deal to play with EK until Karlsson's deal is done. It would give you this D group for next year:

Orlov-Karlsson
Pickering-Letang
Graves/POJ-Desharnais

If Pickering struggles and needs more seasoning in the AHL, promote POJ to the 2nd pair and have Graves-Desharnais as the 3rd pair. I think it's a no brainer to do that with Orlov, basically out-bid anyone for him and plan on having him and Karlsson as a pair until you trade one or both.

At forward, I don't really see anyone that sticks out to me as a "short term, high AAV" guy I think the Penguins could get signed and makes sense for them to sign. Trading Rakell and signing Marchand to play with Crosby is a hilariously good idea, but there's no chance Marchand leaves Boston to sign with the Penguins. He's 100% going cup chasing if he's leaving Boston.

If you're doing that, what's the overall team goal? Are we signing Orlov and keeping EK because we want to be a playoff team? Or would the general expectation we that we'd be as good as we are now and have a similar chance at the playoffs are we do now?

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of that defense or adding Chychrun but I think given that next year a generational talent is available and we have the realistic potential to be bad, I don't think we should be adding potential impact guys that keep us from the bottom.

I think this was a year to get back to the playoffs. Given that it didn't go well, you waive the white flag this year and next. Then in the summer of 26, retool for one last attempt with Sid. Best case, you're retooling with McKenna and Misa (or equiv) on the roster. With that, if you trade EK out, you have a mountain of cap space to surround Sid and McKenna with legit talent (provided our youngins don't cut it but hey, maybe they do). I would even venture the bet that Sid would extend a year if it means guiding a duo of McKenna-Misa on a competitive roster.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If you're doing that, what's the overall team goal? Are we signing Orlov and keeping EK because we want to be a playoff team? Or would the general expectation we that we'd be as good as we are now and have a similar chance at the playoffs are we do now?

Don't get wrong, I love the idea of that defense or adding Chychrun but I think given that next year a generational talent is available and we have the realistic potential to be bad, I don't think we should be adding potential impact guys that keep us from the bottom.

I think this was a year to get back to the playoffs. Given that it didn't go well, you waive the white flag this year and next. Then in the summer of 26, retool for one last attempt with Sid. Best case, you're retooling with McKenna and Misa (or equiv) on the roster. With that, if you trade EK out, you have a mountain of cap space to surround Sid and McKenna with legit talent (provided our youngins don't cut it but hey, maybe they do). I would even venture the bet that Sid would extend a year if it means guiding a duo of McKenna-Misa on a competitive roster.

I think this is looking at things too black and white. The point of adding Orlov is to give them a top-4 D that can be used as trade bait in the future and give some extra insurance on Pickering in case Pickering struggles. Whether you want to say that's "rebuilding" or "contending" doesn't really make a difference, it's a move that makes sense based on the team needs and wanting to give the young guys a proper environment to develop.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Weekes causing drama again with another eyes emoji tweet about Buffalo.

I'd absolutely coom if they trade the Rangers 1st for Bowen Byram.

He did play 82 last year in Ottawa, like you said he will definitely get more than he should given the circumstances of the cap going up in the next 3 years. Honestly, it all depends what we do with our current D's like EK and Letang. I would definitely be interested but I'm scared he ends up being another Paul Martin

We just need D especially if we trade Karlsson.

why? we don't want to improve this team till we get our new core. having chychrun would only make it harder and extend our rebuild if not putting us into a long drawn out stuck in the middle hell.

If he gets hurt we suc

I think the team wants to be genuinely competitive again by 2027.

Yep

That's 1 full healthy season out of 7 lol. The rest aren't even close. But maybe with the rate Penguins players get hurt he'll stay healthy.

If he's hurt then we suck so its. Okay.

I would love Chychrun here...but why would he want to come here?

Well aware. Money talks. Cap space.

Dubas does something cool for once and offers him like 12-13 million x 2.

Honestly I'd be open to like 10 to 11 on 2 or 3 years. Would be great. Final year is a 16 team NTC.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think this is looking at things too black and white. The point of adding Orlov is to give them a top-4 D that can be used as trade bait in the future and give some extra insurance on Pickering in case Pickering struggles. Whether you want to say that's "rebuilding" or "contending" doesn't really make a difference, it's a move that makes sense based on the team needs and wanting to give the young guys a proper environment to develop.

Yeah, I'm not sure what is complicated about this.

 

[BillyOcean]

Have no issues signing players who can always be traded later. Good asset management.

 

[Freeptop]

Just going to mention that when Weekes posts the eyeballs, they aren't always about trades.
As I recall, it was later the same day that he posted the eyeballs with the Pittsburgh skyline that he posted about FSG looking to sell off a minority portion of ownership in the Pens.

So, misleading and click-baity, to be sure, but there was something behind it. But that's also a reason to not get too excited over any eyeball emoji posts. It could just as easily be something business-related, rather than directly hockey-related.

 

[pistolpete11]

Just going to mention that when Weekes posts the eyeballs, they aren't always about trades.
As I recall, it was later the same day that he posted the eyeballs with the Pittsburgh skyline that he posted about FSG looking to sell off a minority portion of ownership in the Pens.

So, misleading and click-baity, to be sure, but there was something behind it. But that's also a reason to not get too excited over any eyeball emoji posts. It could just as easily be something business-related, rather than directly hockey-related.

I thought it was a few days later, but still, I'm learning today that people thought that was about Petts.