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My bet is that EK is the main guy that's attractive, with the rising cap they probably won't need to eat much money to trade him. A $7 million cap hit in EK's last year will be like a $5 million cap hit today.

I've really come to debate whether to trade Karlsson this off-season or wait. I generally don't think his value is going to change all that much, I think he's a safe bet to continue being the ~60 point OFD that can't play defense. The risk of regression isn't there like it is with Rakell and I feel you can pretty easily justify holding onto him to see if he can go on a hot run. Even him just repeating his 2023-2024 season would likely put him in a better value spot than right now.

I'd only be targeting 2026 or 2027 picks if I'm trading Karlsson, and if that's the case, why can't they just hold on to Karlsson until the 2026 draft and then trade him for a 2026 pick then?
 
HandshakeLine said:
Any other former pens we could acquire? Maybe someone we would drastically over pay for?
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Empoleon8771 said:
My bet is that EK is the main guy that's attractive, with the rising cap they probably won't need to eat much money to trade him. A $7 million cap hit in EK's last year will be like a $5 million cap hit today.

I've really come to debate whether to trade Karlsson this off-season or wait. I generally don't think his value is going to change all that much, I think he's a safe bet to continue being the ~60 point OFD that can't play defense. The risk of regression isn't there like it is with Rakell and I feel you can pretty easily justify holding onto him to see if he can go on a hot run. Even him just repeating his 2023-2024 season would likely put him in a better value spot than right now.

I'd only be targeting 2026 or 2027 picks if I'm trading Karlsson, and if that's the case, why can't they just hold on to Karlsson until the 2026 draft and then trade him for a 2026 pick then?
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If they are trying to be competitive in the next two years I’d say you shouldn’t move EK. He’s easily our best offensive driver.

If we can move out Rakell this year I think it’s no longer a smart move it’s almost unforgivable if they don’t.
 
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Gurglesons said:
If they are trying to be competitive in the next two years I’d say you shouldn’t move EK. He’s easily our best offensive driver.

If we can move out Rakell this year I think it’s no longer a smart move it’s almost unforgivable if they don’t.
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If Ceci/Granlund fetched a first maybe Dubas can do like Rakell/Gryz for one lol.

I'm not sure Rakell is "must move" for me if the return is only like a second or something like that. But if they can actually get a better asset than that back - even if it requires retention or packaging someone else with him - I'd be all over it.
 
Pancakes said:
If Ceci/Granlund fetched a first maybe Dubas can do like Rakell/Gryz for one lol.

I'm not sure Rakell is "must move" for me if the return is only like a second or something like that. But if they can actually get a better asset than that back - even if it requires retention or packaging someone else with him - I'd be all over it.
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I don't see why Rakell wouldn't get a haul, with how he has played this year. Definitely a 1st line winger - not a great one, mind you - on an affordable contract for 3 more years.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
My bet is that EK is the main guy that's attractive, with the rising cap they probably won't need to eat much money to trade him. A $7 million cap hit in EK's last year will be like a $5 million cap hit today.

I've really come to debate whether to trade Karlsson this off-season or wait. I generally don't think his value is going to change all that much, I think he's a safe bet to continue being the ~60 point OFD that can't play defense. The risk of regression isn't there like it is with Rakell and I feel you can pretty easily justify holding onto him to see if he can go on a hot run. Even him just repeating his 2023-2024 season would likely put him in a better value spot than right now.

I'd only be targeting 2026 or 2027 picks if I'm trading Karlsson, and if that's the case, why can't they just hold on to Karlsson until the 2026 draft and then trade him for a 2026 pick then?
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I think offers could be better after July 1st just because of EKs signing bonus. The Sabres had to take a worse trade for O'Reilly a few years back because ownership refused to pay his bonus on July 1st. His signing bonus was 8m compared to EK's 5m though so it shouldn't be as impactful but it could make a difference in value
 
Pancakes said:
If Ceci/Granlund fetched a first maybe Dubas can do like Rakell/Gryz for one lol.

I'm not sure Rakell is "must move" for me if the return is only like a second or something like that. But if they can actually get a better asset than that back - even if it requires retention or packaging someone else with him - I'd be all over it.
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Maybe? Rakell would absolutely get a 1st. The only thing is it will have to be a team that wants a top 6 winger for more than one playoff run, but that's a positive for some teams. He's a consistent top 6 performer on a friendly contract and plays a style that coaches like and helps his linemates.

Maybe with Graves he wouldn't be worth a 1st....
 
Pancakes said:
If Ceci/Granlund fetched a first maybe Dubas can do like Rakell/Gryz for one lol.

I'm not sure Rakell is "must move" for me if the return is only like a second or something like that. But if they can actually get a better asset than that back - even if it requires retention or packaging someone else with him - I'd be all over it.
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Rakell isn't a UFA, and the fact the cap is going up, he should fetch a 1st without retention and a prospect.

He has no negative impacts.

You guys have to stop comparing our guys with term with UFA's.
 
Ugene Magic said:
Rakell isn't a UFA, and the fact the cap is going up, he should fetch a 1st without retention and a prospect.

He has no negative impacts.

You guys have to stop comparing our guys with term with UFA's.
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More that I wonder if teams view Rakells season as an aberration or legit.

Last off season we would have been lucky to find a taker for Rakell.
 
Pancakes said:
More that I wonder if teams view Rakells season as an aberration or legit.

Last off season we would have been lucky to find a taker for Rakell.
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Last year he had a bum shoulder, and a terrible time to trade him.

That didn't affect his worth, unless he didn't come back this season. He was at a 43 point pace last year which really isn't that far off his 52 averages. And that with Anaheim not being all that good and that being during the covid years before he became a Pen with the changeover, he was 41 in 70 games with him doing .684 pace when he hit the Pens, a 56 points pace.

It's like claiming Jake was going to be worse after his shoulder injury.
 
Malkinstheman said:
I think offers could be better after July 1st just because of EKs signing bonus. The Sabres had to take a worse trade for O'Reilly a few years back because ownership refused to pay his bonus on July 1st. His signing bonus was 8m compared to EK's 5m though so it shouldn't be as impactful but it could make a difference in value
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Yes, the cash out factor is a large factor with Karlsson.
The biggest thing with Karlsson is he is a divisive player who plays in a way that many (most?) NHL coaches wouldn't want to deal with. Certainly not mid-season. There's probably a subset of 3-4 teams that would be interested in his services for $7M in the offseason.
 
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SEALBound said:
Mainboard trade discussion:

2026 1st
Rodrigues - 2 years left @ 3 million
D or F prospect - B level

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Karlsson - 2 years left, retained to 7 million
Lizotte - 1 year left @ 1.85 million

I said yes.

Adding ERod as 2C with Malkin to the wing or at 3C would be a nice bump for the roster. Sucks to retain that much for that long on Karlsson but that opens up a ton of cap. If we can add Misa, I think a deal like this gets us closer to contention status than hanging on to Karls and Lizotte.
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Honestly, probably nah. Floridas pick will be late so it’s not that valuable esp if Pens are retaining 3 mil, Rod doesn’t fit a window anymore and I like Lizotte.
 
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Ugene Magic said:
Last year he had a bum shoulder, and a terrible time to trade him.

That didn't affect his worth, unless he didn't come back this season. He was at a 43 point pace last year which really isn't that far off his 52 averages. And that with Anaheim not being all that good and that being during the covid years before he became a Pen with the changeover, he was 41 in 70 games with him doing .684 pace when he hit the Pens, a 56 points pace.

It's like claiming Jake was going to be worse after his shoulder injury.
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The question is, is that how other teams view Rakell. You're not wrong, but I don't know if that's how other teams view it.
 
Pancakes said:
If Ceci/Granlund fetched a first maybe Dubas can do like Rakell/Gryz for one lol.

I'm not sure Rakell is "must move" for me if the return is only like a second or something like that. But if they can actually get a better asset than that back - even if it requires retention or packaging someone else with him - I'd be all over it.
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You gotta get out of the contract. I love Rakell. But the amount of 30+ contracts requires you to get out.
 
Trading assets to remove bad players, or trading assets to try and acquire players, is donkeybrains stuff for a team that's in this position. You think about doing those kinds of things when you have a foundation in place and are ready to try and be relevant again. This team hasn't even genuinely begun to rebuild yet. :laugh: We're still firmly in "try to (and apparently succeed in many cases) fool yinzers into thinking there's still a chance for the sake of it while Sid's still playing" territory.
 
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Big Friggin Dummy said:
Trading assets to remove bad players, or trading assets to try and acquire players, is donkeybrains stuff for a team that's in this position. You think about doing those kinds of things when you have a foundation in place and are ready to try and be relevant again. This team hasn't even genuinely begun to rebuild yet. :laugh: We're still firmly in "try to (and apparently succeed in many cases) fool yinzers into thinking there's still a chance for the sake of it while Sid's still playing" territory.
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Yeah, like it or not, Graves is here to stay unless we get him to play better and someone gets desperate. So put him in a position to play better, we're not making the playoffs anyway.

This is why those bad UFA signings hurt so much last offseason and the year before.
 
Gurglesons said:
You gotta get out of the contract. I love Rakell. But the amount of 30+ contracts requires you to get out.
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For me it just depends on the return. I'm not getting rid of him just to do it. There's no point in that.
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I love how this board wants a rebuild but also wants to hold on to every D+ to B player we have at the same time. Yinz guys, something's gotta give.
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As above it's really just about the return for me. I'm not in favor of just nuking the entire roster for scraps. If Rakell brings back good assets then great, move him. If he doesn't, there's really no point in getting rid of him just to do it.

Same thing with Karlsson.

That's assuming the goal is "contend again asap". If Dubas pivots from that to "f*** all of this" then sure trade everyone for whatever :laugh: . But I'm assuming as long as Sid is still here that the goal is a quick return to contention and not a 10 year plan.
 
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