Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXV - Poolman and Poolparty?!?

[HandshakeLine]

Letang is also signed another like 4 years or something ridiculous. Not that there aren't ways to solve that.

Just take him to the zoo, he'll get monkey pox and a new tropical disease out of it. LTIR'd forever baby.

 

[Pancakes]

From a poster on another site…

--The most surprising thing was when Madden asked him who was most likely to be the Pens starting goalie in 3 years, Murashov or Blomqvist, Jesse said Larsson. He thought Murashov has real problems with rebound control, and Blomqvist has real problems with high shots to the far post (glove or blocker), whereas Larsson looks like the total package and has the size of a prototypical modern NHL goalie.”

Not sure I agree that Larsson will be our goalie. Dudes already 26. I guess goalies do sometimes bloom late but even so.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I'm not seeing Pono as a 3C either. At least not yet.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I agree that Ponomarev looks like a Blueger caliber fringe 3C/4C, I think that's a pretty appropriate comparison for him. He'll be much more of a good 4C but I'm skeptical his upside is higher than that.

I also don't know why the Penguins would target Hoglander and what he'd offer for them at this point. He has effectively the same statline as Acciari this year and a coach very similar to Sullivan hates his game. You're giving Vancouver a "get out of jail free" card by acquiring him, especially if he's a piece in a Pettersson trade.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Not sure I agree that Larsson will be our goalie. Dudes already 26. I guess goalies do sometimes bloom late but even so.

Yeah I don't understand that comment from Jesse either. When Larsson was Murashov's age, he hadn't even turned pro yet. Murashov having rebound control issues at age 20 with his play style isn't surprising.

Go back and re-watch a 20 year old Fleury and compare that to a 26 year old Fleury when it comes to things like structure and rebound control. That's the same age difference between Murashov and Larsson today.

 

[Ugene Magic]

--The most surprising thing was when Madden asked him who was most likely to be the Pens starting goalie in 3 years, Murashov or Blomqvist, Jesse said Larsson. He thought Murashov has real problems with rebound control, and Blomqvist has real problems with high shots to the far post (glove or blocker), whereas Larsson looks like the total package and has the size of a prototypical modern NHL goalie.”

Come again...?

Both Larsson 195 lbs. and Murashov 172 lbs. are 6'2" while Blomqvist is 6'3" 200 lbs.

 

[PensFutures]

Not sure I agree that Larsson will be our goalie. Dudes already 26. I guess goalies do sometimes bloom late but even so.

The smart thing is to keep him in WBS and not see if he can come in and be a contributor.

With Murashov, Ive noticed he has been pushing everything towards the corners, even weak dump ins. Its definitely something he is working on.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

How do we start a rumor that FSG's big wigs are involved in some heinous, racist shit so the league forces them to sell? Cuz this team's ratf***ed with FSG running things, imo. The roster sucks, the GM's a dweeb, the coach is an egomaniac, but this team's dead in the water with these scumbags owning the franchise.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

How do we start a rumor that FSG's big wigs are involved in some heinous, racist shit so the league forces them to sell? Cuz this team's ratf***ed with FSG running things, imo. The roster sucks, the GM's a dweeb, the coach is an egomaniac, but this team's dead in the water with these scumbags owning the franchise.

I mean, they probably are involved in some heinous, racist shit.

 

[SomeDude]

How do we start a rumor that FSG's big wigs are involved in some heinous, racist shit so the league forces them to sell? Cuz this team's ratf***ed with FSG running things, imo. The roster sucks, the GM's a dweeb, the coach is an egomaniac, but this team's dead in the water with these scumbags owning the franchise.

They’re from Boston. I figured that was all assumed.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I mean, they probably are involved in some heinous, racist shit.

Yeah, they're Boston guys. That's why I went with the low hanging fruit of racism.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I don't think Dubas will hesitate to trade anyone he's getting a good offer for. It's just a question of whether he gets a good offer.

I think everyone but Crosby and Malkin can be traded. I just don't think anyone wants Letang.
Just needs to be fair value

If we’re trying to get younger players from Buffalo, it should be Peterka or Benson or one of their young defenders…someone with actual skill lol…Rosen won’t amount to anything…none of this lower value prospects…go bold…Peterka for Rakell and Bunting, or ask Rust to waive his NMC or you’ll trade his ass to Winnipeg in the summer lol

If you can convince Buffalo to give us Benson in a trade sure. I just don't know if we have that.

 

[Pancakes]

Yeah I don't understand that comment from Jesse either. When Larsson was Murashov's age, he hadn't even turned pro yet. Murashov having rebound control issues at age 20 with his play style isn't surprising.

Go back and re-watch a 20 year old Fleury and compare that to a 26 year old Fleury when it comes to things like structure and rebound control. That's the same age difference between Murashov and Larsson today.

I could see Larsson having some NHL upside still and in some ways I'm surprised they haven't tried him yet in goal but the thought that he will become the starter seems weird. Maybe a 1A 1B scenario I could see with Blomqvist or Murashov.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I could see Larsson having some NHL upside still and in some ways I'm surprised they haven't tried him yet in goal but the thought that he will become the starter seems weird. Maybe a 1A 1B scenario I could see with Blomqvist or Murashov.

I think both Murashov and Blomqvist have more 1A upside so the Penguins could just keep both and have them as a platoon going forward.

 

[chethejet]

Pens will need to move jarry this off season. Now what that entails who knows. But Dubas will bot buyout Jarry so retention will be the consideration. Rust to me is a player that will be traded and Karlsson with retention as well. Pens can retain on him and Jarry but those are the only players I do that into 2025/26..

 

[Pancakes]

Pens will need to move jarry this off season. Now what that entails who knows. But Dubas will bot buyout Jarry so retention will be the consideration. Rust to me is a player that will be traded and Karlsson with retention as well. Pens can retain on him and Jarry but those are the only players I do that into 2025/26..

I see very little chance Jarry gets moved in the off season. Dubas doesn't like to use retention or buyouts and nobody wanted TJ even when he was free on waivers.

I think TJ could get moved if Dubas were willing to retain salary/use sweeteners but I don't think he has any interest in doing either.

TJ being a dead roster spot is somewhat irrelevant anyways because the Pens suck and are going to continue to suck for the near future. So honestly Dubas probably is right to not try to pay to get rid of him. I would consider using a buyout were I Dubas if only because I don't think the cap penalty should matter much to a team that isn't in win-now mode.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

I would consider using a buyout were I Dubas if only because I don't think the cap penalty should matter much to a team that isn't in win-now mode.

No, but it might matter to a stingy ownership group.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

No, but it might matter to a stingy ownership group.

FSG can be criticized a lot, but where did this perception that they're stingy come from?

They spend to the cap. They gave Dubas a huge contract. They've expanded the front office and support staff, especially when compared to where it was when Rutherford left. They've sunk money into PPG.

I know Red Sox fans are pissed because they're not spending at the same absurd levels as the Yankees and Dodgers, and Liverpool fans want FSG to make huge splashes (though they're quiet at the moment because Liverpool might be the best team in all of Europe this year).

But the Penguins might be one of the best funded teams in the NHL.

 

[Pancakes]

FSG can be criticized a lot, but where did this perception that they're stingy come from?

They spend to the cap. They gave Dubas a huge contract. They've expanded the front office and support staff, especially when compared to where it was when Rutherford left. They've sunk money into PPG.

I know Red Sox fans are pissed because they're not spending at the same absurd levels as the Yankees and Dodgers, and Liverpool fans want FSG to make huge splashes (though they're quiet at the moment because Liverpool might be the best team in all of Europe this year).

But the Penguins might be one of the best funded teams in the NHL.

Yeah I don't think their spending is an issue. Or it hasn't been yet.

I'd love to say that their insane attachment to Mike Sullivan is an issue but the reality is just about any ownership group would probably do the same thing. Every GM we've had has spoken in nothing but glowing terms about Sullivan and so has Mario/Burkle/FSG.

Throwing their weight behind Dubas might end up proving to be a mistake. The early returns obviously aren't great.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Yeah I don't think their spending is an issue. Or it hasn't been yet.

I'd love to say that their insane attachment to Mike Sullivan is an issue but the reality is just about any ownership group would probably do the same thing. Every GM we've had has spoken in nothing but glowing terms about Sullivan and so has Mario/Burkle/FSG.

Throwing their weight behind Dubas might end up proving to be a mistake. The early returns obviously aren't great.

Yeah, I think there is a lot more worthy of criticism with personnel. I think their commitment to Sullivan has backfired. I like the Dubas hire, but he hasn't hit on everything and it could blow up in their faces.

But from a resource standpoint it's hard to ask for much more.