Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXV - Poolman and Poolparty?!?

[Empoleon8771]

Something that is also kinda worth discussing with the impending UFA sell-off is that you also want to keep WBS halfway decent and not deplete their entire non-veteran F group. I was thinking I would like to sell off all of the pending UFA/RFA players and call up all of Poulin, Koivunen, Broz, McGroarty and Ponomarev, but doing that leaves WBS in a really challenging spot to actually build a halfway decent lineup. You probably have to call up 1 or 2 of Bemstrom, Puustinen, Puljujarvi or Koppanen just to be in the allowable roster limits for the AHL.

My gut feeling right now is that I'd call up McGroarty, Ponomarev, Poulin and Bemstrom up but leave Koivunen and Broz down. Go with this bottom-6/extra group:

McGroarty-Ponomarev-Bemstrom
Poulin-Lizotte-Acciari
Hayes-Nieto

I'm not super high on Bemstrom personally, but I don't think you have spots for all 3 of Bemstrom, Puljujarvi and Puustinen in the AHL plus I think it's better to leave Koivunen down in WBS as a non-veteran. Bemstrom is the only guy who hasn't been given a chance yet and he's currently WBS' leading scorer, so I think it makes the most sense to go with him in that spot.

I also believe that Ponomarev has played a good bit with both McGroarty and Bemstrom in WBS, although I'm not sure if all 3 have been a line much. McGroarty and Ponomarev have been playing together for the past few games and I recall seeing some Ponomarev-Bemstrom duos earlier in the year.

 

[Ulf5]

This board is awful now. Am I the only who can’t scroll anymore w/o the page refreshing to the bottom?

They did have page selector at top until the red header came back, then it disappeared.
If page only loads halfway and I try to scroll towards the bottom of page, it just bounces like a European player from Sully's lineup.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

To clarify on my previous point in re: to the site... I'm using a desktop and not mobile.

I have no idea how anyone gets by on this site or the last one on mobile. Trainwreck.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

To clarify on my previous point in re: to the site... I'm using a desktop and not mobile.

I have no idea how anyone gets by on this site or the last one on mobile. Trainwreck.

Desktop for me is Firefox with an ad blocker.

Mobile for me is the Brave web browser app.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Desktop for me is Firefox with an ad blocker.

Mobile for me is the Brave web browser app.

I'm still on Chrome (need to change that soon but I'm lazy) but the same setup, here. Win 10 (til I can't no more)

I should check out Brave for the rare instances I feel any need to post from mobile.

 

[Empoleon8771]

My deadline expectation/hope at this point:

1. Pettersson and O'Connor to Edmonton for Kulak, Akey and a 2025 2nd
2. Grzelcyk at 50% to Tampa Bay for a 2027 2nd
3. Beauvillier to Minnesota for a 2025 4th

Rakell-Crosby-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Tomasino
McGroarty-Ponomarev-Bemstrom
Lizotte-Glass-Acciari
Nieto-Hayes

Kulak-Karlsson
Pickering-Letang
Graves-POJ
Shea

Blomqvist-Nedjelkovic

I'd also like to sell Glass, but with only one retention spot and arguably 3 guys to use it on (Pettersson, Grzelcyk and Glass), I think Glass probably doesn't get moved. I'm doubtful there's much of a market for Glass at $2.5 million. If you can trade him though, send him out and call Poulin up to make the 4th line Poulin-Lizotte-Acciari.

I think a 2nd for Grzelcyk is an aggressive ask, but I think asking for a future year 2nd is doable. He's a big minute eater that has been surprisingly effective on the PP this year and has produced pretty well. I picked Tampa here because Moser is out for 2 more months due to an injury, so Grzelcyk can slide into his spot in the short term and then be a 3rd pair upgrade once Moser is back.

 

[Gurglesons]

My deadline expectation/hope at this point:

1. Pettersson and O'Connor to Edmonton for Kulak, Akey and a 2025 2nd
2. Grzelcyk at 50% to Tampa Bay for a 2027 2nd
3. Beauvillier to Minnesota for a 2025 4th

Rakell-Crosby-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Tomasino
McGroarty-Ponomarev-Bemstrom
Lizotte-Glass-Acciari
Nieto-Hayes

Kulak-Karlsson
Pickering-Letang
Graves-POJ
Shea

Blomqvist-Nedjelkovic

I'd also like to sell Glass, but with only one retention spot and arguably 3 guys to use it on (Pettersson, Grzelcyk and Glass), I think Glass probably doesn't get moved. I'm doubtful there's much of a market for Glass at $2.5 million. If you can trade him though, send him out and call Poulin up to make the 4th line Poulin-Lizotte-Acciari.

I think a 2nd for Grzelcyk is an aggressive ask, but I think asking for a future year 2nd is doable. He's a big minute eater that has been surprisingly effective on the PP this year and has produced pretty well. I picked Tampa here because Moser is out for 2 more months due to an injury, so Grzelcyk can slide into his spot in the short term and then be a 3rd pair upgrade once Moser is back.

No chance in hell Edmonton is moving Kulak lol....

Gryz for a 2nd is absolutely absurd.

 

[Darren McCord]

No chance in hell Edmonton is moving Kulak lol....

Gryz for a 2nd is absolutely absurd.

Good I dont want Kulak anyways. Lol Why do we even care to get Kulak back.

Petts should be going for young players or pure picks and prospects. They honestly looked better at times with him out lol. Not saying they were but I dont want Kulak

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I imagine the Penguins walk away from the TDL with maybe a couple 3rd rounders, some other random picks and a small selection of B-tier prospects.

It's possible MP fetches a 2nd but I dunno.

I just don't see much league-wide value in any of these guys. The Penguins will be a secondary shopping stop for teams that missed out on their first and second targets IMO. Or for a team that already completed their list and want another depth forward for cheap or something.

 

[Darren McCord]

And again, that's not how any team actually runs a roster. Especially for teams in the Penguins shoes, teams don't throw away potential trade chips for young guys just so the young guys can play 20 games earlier.

I'll give you Nieto and Hayes, but no chance with the other guys. The only way that teams replace guys like O'Connor or Glass with young guys is either if they have a better young guy who fills the same role or they're trading the veterans for futures.

Like I posted on the last page, their bottom-6 right now should be:

O'Connor-Glass-Beauvillier
Lizotte-Ponomarev-Acciari

With planning on trading Glass, O'Connor and Beauvillier for the best offer they can get ASAP. As soon as those guys get moved, call up guys like McGroarty, Koivunen, Broz and Poulin.

Glass has been pretty awful. Id rather Lizotte be the the line center. Heck Poulin could do what glass has done and might even do it with better possession numbers

 

[Empoleon8771]

No chance in hell Edmonton is moving Kulak lol....

They are interested in Pettersson and their LD are Nurse, Ekholm and Kulak. Where is Kulak playing?

Gryz for a 2nd is absolutely absurd.

It really isn't. A 3rd is the minimum he'd be bringing back and I think deferring the pick to make it a 2nd instead isn't out of the question.

He's playing 20 minutes a night and has 22 points in 46 games this year. I don't think they can get a 2nd this year for that, but a 3rd this year or a future 2nd seems totally reasonable.

I imagine the Penguins walk away from the TDL with maybe a couple 3rd rounders, some other random picks and a small selection of B-tier prospects.

It's possible MP fetches a 2nd but I dunno.

I just don't see much league-wide value in any of these guys. The Penguins will be a secondary shopping stop for teams that missed out on their first and second targets IMO.

I know this place is very jaded, but Pettersson is the 2nd best defenseman on the market. You're right with the O'Connor/Beauvillier/Grzelcyk group most likely but Pettersson is absolutely on a different level.

 

[Darren McCord]

I imagine the Penguins walk away from the TDL with maybe a couple 3rd rounders, some other random picks and a small selection of B-tier prospects.

It's possible MP fetches a 2nd but I dunno.

I just don't see much league-wide value in any of these guys. The Penguins will be a secondary shopping stop for teams that missed out on their first and second targets IMO. Or for a team that already completed their list and want another depth forward for cheap or something.

Nah MP is going to be one of the best Dmen out there. He should get a 2nd at least. He will be a top target for some teams. The rest is hot garbage.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Glass has been pretty awful. Id rather Lizotte be the the line center. Heck Poulin could do what glass has done and might even do it with better possession numbers

Glass should be the 3C there to try to pump up his value and be able to flip him. That entire 3rd line is playing together to try to increase their value, which is what I said in that post:

"With planning on trading Glass, O'Connor and Beauvillier for the best offer they can get ASAP. As soon as those guys get moved, call up guys like McGroarty, Koivunen, Broz and Poulin."

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Looking at Elite Prospects I feel like the Pens should sign Jonathan Dahlen. He's Hallander's teammate and is one of the leading SHL scorers. Has had some success in North America.

Jonathan Dahlén - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Jonathan Dahlén, 1997-12-20 Östersund, SWE Sweden. Most recently in the SHL with Timrå IK. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

 

[Empoleon8771]

Good I dont want Kulak anyways. Lol Why do we even care to get Kulak back.

Petts should be going for young players or pure picks and prospects. They honestly looked better at times with him out lol. Not saying they were but I dont want Kulak

I would be very surprised for Dubas to not target a capable minute eating LD in the Pettersson deal. Same exact way he got Bunting in the Guentzel deal.

After trading Grzelcyk and Pettersson, their LD group is just awful and they need someone who is just capable of playing those minutes in the NHL.

 

[Darren McCord]

Glass should be the 3C there to try to pump up his value and be able to flip him. That entire 3rd line is playing together to try to increase their value, which is what I said in that post:

"With planning on trading Glass, O'Connor and Beauvillier for the best offer they can get ASAP. As soon as those guys get moved, call up guys like McGroarty, Koivunen, Broz and Poulin."

LOL that would mean not playing them together.

Glass, O'Connor and Beauvillier all need to be with better players to pump there value not each other. That line would be so vanilla. Its like if ZAR was a whole line.

Those guys have only put up points in elevated roles playing with geno or Sid

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Nah MP is going to be one of the best Dmen out there. He should get a 2nd at least. He will be a top target for some teams. The rest is hot garbage.

I sure hope you guys are right. To my eyes MP has had a poor season and his past work shows me that he's not exactly gonna break out into more than he is. GMs will use that as leverage. But yes on paper going into this year he should be one of the higher level targets at the TDL especially because LAST season he he did quite well.

EDIT: He's also on an expiring deal right? That's at least a little bit of a ding to his value. Though it's better than having like three years at 5+ million dollars left and you just got waived. Or are a third pairing, oft-scratched player making 4.5 for another four seasons. Just as two totally random examples.

 

[Empoleon8771]

LOL that would mean not playing them together.

Glass, O'Connor and Beauvillier all need to be with better players to pump there value not each other. That line would be so vanilla. Its like if ZAR was a whole line.

Those guys have only put up points in elevated roles playing with geno or Sid

Any team acquiring those guys are going to be acquiring them to play in their bottom-6. The point of playing them in a semi-important 3rd line role is to hopefully show teams that they can sufficiently do that, meaning they'd be even better in the lesser roles they'd be playing on a contender.

It's no different than playing Grzelcyk 20 minutes a night now so teams think he can be an effective player for them playing 16-17 minutes a night.

 

[Gurglesons]

They are interested in Pettersson and their LD are Nurse, Ekholm and Kulak. Where is Kulak playing?

They've been rolling Kulak and Nurse together.

I assume they will likely be pairing Kulak with Klingberg to insulate him as he's an incredible good defensive defenseman.

It really isn't. A 3rd is the minimum he'd be bringing back and I think deferring the pick to make it a 2nd instead isn't out of the question.

He's playing 20 minutes a night and has 22 points in 46 games this year. I don't think they can get a 2nd this year for that, but a 3rd this year or a future 2nd seems totally reasonable.

I'm happy to bet Gryz doesn't bring back anything close to a 2nd.

 

[The Old Master]

But his task is ridiculous. Fix Hextall's mistakes while building a competitive roster, and while replenishing the farm. What team has successfully done everything at the same time for an extended period?

1, you need to finish low enough (in the right year) to get your core players.
2. then you can do the much easier job of replenishing the farm with lower picks.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'm happy to bet Gryz doesn't bring back anything close to a 2nd.

Idk the going rate for defensemen with Grzelcyk's performance this year seems like a 3rd. He's above the kind of defensemen usually bringing back 4th rounders (guys like Johnson, Ruhwedel, Miller and Stecher), so I think a 4th would be too low.

I could see the eventual Gryzelcyk deal looking like the Peeke deal from last year, which was Zboril and a 2027 3rd for Peeke. Less than that would surprise me.

 

[IcedCapp]

didn't read the last couple of pages, so if I'm repeating thoughts, sorry, but I feel like the canucks falling apart is bad news for us. I feel like that was the best/most-obvious destination for MP.

 

[The Old Master]

“I'm a firm believer that if you throw everything overboard, you really have to be careful what you wish for, because you could go a long time before you're back to being a competitive and contending team,”

i think the time to rebuild on the fly has passed. we needed to dump sully and bring in younger players and a coach that would play them.
when we didn't replace sully, throwing everything overboard is the only way we can go. so we need to start by replacing the core. (the only way to do that is with very high picks) and that involves being very bad or making very good trades with gm, JR.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

didn't read the last couple of pages, so if I'm repeating thoughts, sorry, but I feel like the canucks falling apart is bad news for us. I feel like that was the best/most-obvious destination for MP.

It was bound to happen (that locker room sounds like a total mess) but I sure wish it woulda waited til next year.

 

[SEALBound]

Unless someone approaches Dubas for Gryz, I have a hunch that they are going to keep him and resign him. Terrible defensively but he's producing.

2. Grzelcyk at 50% to Tampa Bay for a 2027 2nd

I think a 2nd for Grzelcyk is an aggressive ask, but I think asking for a future year 2nd is doable. He's a big minute eater that has been surprisingly effective on the PP this year and has produced pretty well. I picked Tampa here because Moser is out for 2 more months due to an injury, so Grzelcyk can slide into his spot in the short term and then be a 3rd pair upgrade once Moser is back.

Lol, yeah but when has Tampa ever care about TDL price tags?