Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXV - Poolman and Poolparty?!?

[Empoleon8771]

Very few true backups make $2.5 or more…those that do like Jake Allen and Varlomov have a lot more experience…a few other like Knight were paid as young goalies with the expectation they would grow into a 1b job at least even if they haven’t…but when you’ve paid your top goalie, it’s rare to pay someone else $2.5 or more

Calling Nedjelkovic a "pure backup" is disingenuous. He's a 1B that's paid and used exactly like a 1B.

He has basically the same usage and contract as Vladar, Samsonov, Fleury, Ingram and Forsberg.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Claim Ludvig- 24, put Poolaman- 29, on waivers.

Waivers are for going from the NHL to the AHL.

You would need to terminate Poolman's contract, which the NHLPA only permits if 1) there is mutual agreement, usually if a player wants to go to Europe or something, or 2) there is cause to do so.

 

[Andy99]

Calling Nedjelkovic a "pure backup" is disingenuous. He's a 1B that's paid and used exactly like a 1B.

He has basically the same usage and contract as Vladar, Samsonov, Fleury and Forsberg.

Whatever you call him, he’s paid too much for what he’s brought lol…way too high expected goals than he should have

 

[Empoleon8771]

Whatever you call him, he’s paid too much for what he’s brought lol…way too high expected goals than he should have

Which is not true based on the market for what kind of player he is.

This is also probably a moot point because I think they're probably more likely to keep Nedjelkovic, since they'd just be trying to sign a replacement for Nedjelkovic as soon as they traded him.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Can’t ever have enough trash in the crease!

 

[Khelandros]

Hextall made some good moves too despite being largely bad.

Do you have any examples of this? I'm drawing a blank.

The lack of good goaltending in the NHL the last couple of years could make teams desperate at the deadline. That said, you're probably correct, and I would think the Pens are more likely planning/hoping for the following to happen:

1. Blomqvist establishes himself as the No. 1 through the rest of this year, even if there are the customary hiccups for a rookie goaltender. Ned plays well enough to be a serviceable back-up.

People need to realize Ned is playing just as bad or worse than Jarry. It wasn't exclusive to Jarry.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Do you have any examples of this? I'm drawing a blank.

Rakell trade was great and drafting Pickering and Broz is looking pretty good. Outside of that, there really isn't much good.

 

[Gurglesons]

Rakell trade was great and drafting Pickering and Broz is looking pretty good. Outside of that, there really isn't much good.

Murashov was his draft pick.

He avoided moving the 1st that became McG via Yager.

Got us out of McGinn’s contract for a 3rd and brought back Kulikov who is an effective D in that trade.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Murashov was his draft pick.

He avoided moving the 1st that became McG via Yager.

Got us out of McGinn’s contract for a 3rd and brought back Kulikov who is an effective D in that trade.

He also signed McGinn to that contract so I don't know how he gets credit for that. I also don't see how "he didn't trade a 1st" is a benefit.

I'll give you the Murashov pick, that was also a good pick.

 

[Gurglesons]

He also signed McGinn to that contract so I don't know how he gets credit for that. I also don't see how "he didn't trade a 1st" is a benefit.

I'll give you the Murashov pick, that was also a good pick.

This is why.



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I think it really does largely boil down to this: When it comes to flipping assets, making trades and trying to piece together a long-term outlook, I do think there are more positives there than negatives. The Penguins have come out ahead on a lot of the trade moves, even if players like Smith and Karlsson did not/have not worked out as planned.

That is important for where the Penguins are right now and where they need to go in the near future.

But when it comes to making long-term investments in free agency, NHL-level scouting and building out a roster with depth pieces and goaltending, things have quickly unraveled. That is concerning, because even if the Penguins are not contending right now the hope is that they will in not-too-distant future. And if they are getting those types of moves wrong now, why should we assume they will get them right in the future? Especially when those were some of the blind spots of the front office in Toronto for so many years.”

 

[SEALBound]

I also wouldn't call Kulikov an effective dman.

I'll give him credit for the Letang and Malkin signings. Getting them at $6mil opened up cap for us and let the organization keep their core guys together, which given the lack of playoff success, at least it's something to call a positive. I thought Heinen was a nice, low-key good move the first year. Meh, the 2nd but he's largely inconsequential.

It's not as if the guy was a complete fraud, it's just that when he changed directions of the ship was directly into the iceberg.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Rust was signed way under market value (NMC helped with that). And Rakell was pretty fair.

 

[Gurglesons]

I also wouldn't call Kulikov an effective dman.

I'll give him credit for the Letang and Malkin signings. Getting them at $6mil opened up cap for us and let the organization keep their core guys together, which given the lack of playoff success, at least it's something to call a positive. I thought Heinen was a nice, low-key good move the first year. Meh, the 2nd but he's largely inconsequential.

It's not as if the guy was a complete fraud, it's just that when he changed directions of the ship was directly into the iceberg.

He just won a cup playing in Florida’s top six.

 

[Empoleon8771]

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This is why.

So Hextall gets credit for keeping a 1st because...Dubas traded a 1st? What?

Clinging to "he didn't trade a 1st" as a positive for Hextall's time here just shows how dogshit he was.

 

[Gurglesons]

Rust was signed way under market value (NMC helped with that). And Rakell was pretty fair.

Geno too.

So Hextall gets credit for keeping a 1st because...Dubas traded a 1st? What?

Clinging to "he didn't trade a 1st" as a positive for Hextall's time here just shows how dogshit he was.

Not really. It’s called retooling. He was aware the team was not good enough to win the cup so he kept his 1st.

Dubas within a few months gave away every asset he had for EK65 before the season started.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Not really. It’s called retooling. He was aware the team was not good enough to win the cup so he kept his 1st.

Dubas within a few months gave away every asset he had for EK65 before the season started.

You mean a singular 1st. Dubas traded 1 1st for Karlsson, it was a 1st and 3 cap dumps.

The fact that you have to cling to "he didn't trade a 1st" as a benefit for Hextall just shows how bad of a job he did. Dubas trading a 1st for Karlsson doesn't change that. If Hextall had actually made good moves, you wouldn't have to cling to moves he didn't make as positives for him.

 

[SEALBound]

He just won a cup playing in Florida’s top six.

1 assist in 6 GP while being a -2 and a HS some games for us...

Glad he won the cup though but it's irrelevant.

 

[Gurglesons]

You mean a singular 1st. Dubas traded 1 1st for Karlsson, it was a 1st and 3 cap dumps.

The fact that you have to cling to "he didn't trade a 1st" as a benefit for Hextall just shows how bad of a job he did. Dubas trading a 1st for Karlsson doesn't change that. If Hextall had actually made good moves, you wouldn't have to cling to moves he didn't make as positives for him.

Dubas gave away a 1st and a 2nd in that trade.

1 assist in 6 GP while being a -2 and a HS some games for us...

Glad he won the cup though but it's irrelevant.

He was hurt immediately. Either way, getting out of the McGinn’s contract and adding a bottom pairing D for just a 3rd was solid work.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Dubas gave away a 1st and a 2nd in that trade.



He was hurt immediately. Either way, getting out of the McGinn’s contract and adding a bottom pairing D for just a 3rd was solid work.

The 2025 2nd they sent out was partially negated by getting San Jose's 2026 3rd back. But even without including that, saying "Dubas giving up a 1st and 2nd was giving up all of their assets for Karlsson" should make you rethink that statement.

 

[Gurglesons]

The 2025 2nd they sent out was partially negated by getting San Jose's 2026 3rd back. But even without including that, saying "Dubas giving up a 1st and 2nd was giving up all of their assets for Karlsson" should make you rethink that statement.

okay.

 

[SEALBound]

Dubas gave away a 1st and a 2nd in that trade.

Which demonstrates how much he had to pay to fix Hextall's poor moves. You're not helping your argument.

 

[Gurglesons]

Which demonstrates how much he had to pay to fix Hextall's poor moves. You're not helping your argument.

Beg to differ.

But as many others have said we don’t need to have this same circular conversation every week. You think Dubas is a competent GM. I think both him and Hextall suck.

Cool.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Rust was signed way under market value (NMC helped with that). And Rakell was pretty fair.

Rust got what he got because his short season high averages were not sustainable.

I'd say he got a fair deal considering that, and he would never live up to those standards ( Point per game-ish) elsewhere.

 

[Pancakes]

Do you have any examples of this? I'm drawing a blank.

As @Empoleon8771 stated the Rakell trade was good and some of his picks look good.

The Carter trade I would also say was good. Extending him was not.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Beg to differ.

But as many others have said we don’t need to have this same circular conversation every week. You think Dubas is a competent GM. I think both him and Hextall suck.

Cool.

If you'd frame it like this rather than saying things like "he traded a 3rd to get out of McGinn's deal and got Kulikov back" and "he didn't trade a 1st" were positives for Hextall, we might believe you with that.

I'm fully willing to say that Hextall did a bad job and Dubas has done a bad job for the Penguins. You seem intent on saying Dubas sucked while trying to grasp at moves to justify why Hextall was better than Dubas.