Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XVIII ( if trades occur use specific trade thread)

[PlayMakers]

I would say he proved he is a capable backup, not sure anyone would trust him as a starter though and he makes a lot of money for a backup. He is a tweener goalie, maybe someone is willing to take that risk.

Korpisalo is 39th in the NHL in save percent among goalies with 20 or more games (Swayman is 37th). In terms of Saves Above Expected, Korpisalo is 49th (Swayman is 70th).

Not making a comment on his value but his numbers suggest he played around a mid-tier to good backup level. I don't think he can be moved at those numbers. Maybe if he plays another 5 games and gets his numbers up, he'll be a more viable trade option at the draft.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Shit you're right lol, 24-25. Okay I was wrong on that one! I can own it. I still say it's a depth move to get him under contract so they can sign him next season without another team swooping in and offering him a two way. This kicks the can down the road. Then again, maybe some are right that the guy will see some time up here after a clean out?

I really don;t think it is a next year move. I think it is more likely a case where they are short bodies, and might need him to come up and play down the stretch Wouldn't be stunned if he were up today

 

[RoccoF14]

Depreciating in the sense that, as @LouJersey points out, if you’re looking at a 3 year playoff absence (for example) then his depreciation is a function of the overall team vs him as an individual contributor

Yeah, but that assumes you believe that this team is gonna go on a 3+yr playoff drought. As much as I've been down on this roster since the season started, I don't believe they're bad enough that they're looking at a sustained period of non-playoff hockey. I think this roster is fixable with new coaching and some smart moves over the summer and at the trade deadline.

The quickest way to get back on track is to move Marchand for a stud prospect and a pick. But I'm tired of beating that dead horse....

 

[Knight]

Depreciating in the sense that, as @LouJersey points out, if you’re looking at a 3 year playoff absence (for example) then his depreciation is a function of the overall team vs him as an individual contributor

The beauty of Pasta is that he's so good you don't need to completely overhaul the entire team/supporting cast to get back into the playoffs. Adding a couple of pieces of real talent (like a Rantanen, Marner, etc.) using the ample upcoming cap space can have the Bruins back in the playoffs quickly - next year, even. Trading Pasta will ensure a long playoff drought.

 

[NeelyDan]

Yeah, but that assumes you believe that this team is gonna go on a 3+yr playoff drought. As much as I've been down on this roster since the season started, I don't believe they're bad enough that they're looking at a sustained period of non-playoff hockey. I think this roster is fixable with some smart moves over the summer and at the trade deadline.

The quickest way to get back on track is to move Marchand for a stud prospect and a pick. But I'm tired of beating that dead horse....

Make no mistake, that's not what I want - but - we have the pieces we do, and are on the outside looking in so I struggle to see how a drought isn't a distinct possibility. We are selling, as well (though I read the sense that the Bruins will both buy AND sell, so I reserve judgement ultimately for now), and so (again, for me) my decision on Pasta is a function of what the overall roster architecture looks like.

The beauty of Pasta is that he's so good you don't need to completely overhaul the entire team/supporting cast to get back into the playoffs. Adding a couple of pieces of real talent (like a Rantanen, Marner, etc.) using the ample upcoming cap space can have the Bruins back in the playoffs quickly - next year, even. Trading Pasta will ensure a long playoff drought.

Sure dude, but you don't just "add pieces like Rantanen and Marner", lol.

 

[Bruin4]

Obviously just a guess, but Pitlick signing is adding bodies because bodies will be going out the door shortly.

Again could be completely wrong

Sounds about right as the Providence Bruins Signed Tristan Ashbrook to Professional Tryout as well.

 

[Sheppy]

Marner would have 80 assists playing with Pastrnak.

 

[PlayMakers]

Absolutely he believes that. And I suspect he has to believe that for his own job preservation as if he felt they needed a significant overhaul one would think he’d be putting his job in peril.

The question is whether he’s actually right in that belief. And maybe more importantly, if he is right, is his goal the Sinden goal of “making the playoffs” or does he want to build a roster that can actually win in the playoffs. On that question I think he has a ton of work to do.

I think the idea that all this team wants to do is make the playoffs because it saves jobs or because Jacobs is cheap needs to end.

This team was 1 point out of a playoff spot when Sweeney held a press conference to say we're not going for it. Not many teams in the league that are that close to a playoff spot would waive the white flag. The Rangers, Utah, Detroit, even Montreal re-signed their top trade chip rather than sell.

 

[RoccoF14]

Make no mistake, that's not what I want - but - we have the pieces we do, and are on the outside looking in so I struggle to see how a drought isn't a distinct possibility. We are selling, as well (though I read the sense that the Bruins will both buy AND sell, so I reserve judgement ultimately for now), and so (again, for me) my decision on Pasta is a function of what the overall roster architecture looks like.

Fair points. Its just that trading Pastrnak is the Nuclear Option, and virtually guarantees you a long playoff drought. I just don't think this team needs to resort to that option just yet... This roster definitely has some good pieces to build around, as long as the right coach and complementary pieces are added.

 

[PlayMakers]

I really think that every team can get any player they want, if they are willing to go far enough.

I mean -- I'm under no illusion that the B's are a front runner in this, but Rantanen is in the top 5% of forwards in the league, still shy of 30 and the kind of guy you can build around.

What I truly know nothing about is how interested he would be in signing here long term, which is really the crux of the situation. If they were given the chance to check in with him to see if he'd sign here and was willing --- then I'd be willing to send a package around Zacha and Carlo, which would at least allow them to ice a legitimate lineup in the wide open east.

Beyond that we have no idea what others would give up, but you have to assume that there would only be about 7-9 teams that;

A. He'd want to play for long term
B. Are willing to give up enough to get him
C. Have the cap space to pay him

Remember Carolina, is in bad position and almost has to allow teams to speak with him to gauge interest, or they are at risk of greatly minimizing the return he could get.

Brian Burke told a story the other day about how he used to pry players away from teams that didn't want to move them. He would call up a GM and say is so and so available? They'd of course say no. Then he'd say, "Of course he is, what if I offered you 10 first round picks." The other GM would say, well yeah, but you're not offering 10. "Then Burke would say, what if I offered 4." And that would get the conversation going.

All that said, the Bruins can't trade for Rantanen. He seems determined to test the market or maybe he already has a destination in mind. Either way, trading for him at the deadline only to lose him as a UFA would be devastating. They have to wait until July 1st and make their offer like everyone else. And I hope they do.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Marner would have 80 assists playing with Pastrnak.

They both play RW.

 

[GatorMike]

The beauty of Pasta is that he's so good you don't need to completely overhaul the entire team/supporting cast to get back into the playoffs. Adding a couple of pieces of real talent (like a Rantanen, Marner, etc.) using the ample upcoming cap space can have the Bruins back in the playoffs quickly - next year, even. Trading Pasta will ensure a long playoff drought.

Not trying to pick on you, but why the f*** would a Rantanen or a Marner opt to join the Bruins at this point?

We're a dumpster fire.

 

[Knight]

Sure dude, but you don't just "add pieces like Rantanen and Marner", lol.

Boston is an attractive free agent destination as any, I don't think that can be dismissed. Going that route and failing is still better than trading Pasta

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Not trying to pick on you, but why the f*** would a Rantanen or a Marner opt to join the Bruins at this point?

We're a dumpster fire.

Outbidding everyone else by 1-2 million annually. not saying it will happen, but if it does happen it is going to cost Boston more than others

 

[GatorMike]

Boston is an attractive free agent destination as any, I don't think that can be dismissed. Going that route and failing is still better than trading Pasta

We're not.

High taxes, no young talent, and a roster loaded with bloated contracts for underperforming veterans.

This is not (...or at least it shouldn't be) a "retool". It's a rebuild. This is the first what is going to be several really difficult seasons around here. And I think anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves.

 

[KrugAvoy]

If they add Marner in the off season, they instantly have arguably the best 2 RW in the game. Poitras would finally have a scoring winger to dish off to as well

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

Marner would have 80 assists playing with Pastrnak.

How many concussions?

Boston is an attractive free agent destination as any, I don't think that can be dismissed. Going that route and failing is still better than trading Pasta

No Palm Trees

 

[sarge88]

We're not.

High taxes, no young talent, and a roster loaded with bloated contracts for underperforming veterans.

This is not (...or at least it shouldn't be) a "retool". It's a rebuild. And I think anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves.

But....add Marner and Rantanen, and it's an entirely different team.

Easier said than done, of course -- but assuming they can move out Coyle and Carlo that almost pays for one of them.

If this if your forward lineup -- you're in the playoffs for sure, and there's about a 90% certainty that with reasonable health you're a legit contender.

Geekie - Rantanen - Pasta
Marchand - Zacha - Marner
XXXX - Lindholm - Poitras
XXXX - Kastelic - XXX

Again -- ain't happening, but as we saw when Chara/Savard signed, things can change pretty quickly.

 

[Sheppy]

They both play RW.

I don't care, he still would.

 

[Knight]

We're not.

High taxes, no young talent, and a roster loaded with bloated contracts for underperforming veterans.

This is not (...or at least it shouldn't be) a "retool". It's a rebuild. This is the first what is going to be several really difficult seasons around here. And I think anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves.

Boston isn't at the absolute top of the list, but it's above average for sure. The taxes compared to other regions are average as well, saying they're so high as to be a major deterrent is fake news.

 

[RoccoF14]

We're not.

High taxes, no young talent, and a roster loaded with bloated contracts for underperforming veterans.

This is not (...or at least it shouldn't be) a "retool". It's a rebuild. This is the first what is going to be several really difficult seasons around here. And I think anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves.

Would you say that this B's roster is in worse shape than Washington's 2 seasons ago?

They were sellers back then (Orlov, Hathaway, Johannson, Eller) and bounced right back into the playoffs. I don't think its unreasonable to think Boston can't do the exact same thing with a coaching change and a front office who pulls its head out of its ass.

 

[DKH]

Tsn Canada

Duthie: It's a little wordy for a T-shirt or a bumper sticker, but I do like it. Quickly, give me one team that's at least intriguing to you, or might be sneaky busy on the deadline.

Johnston: Boston Bruins, for me. I was told on this day lots going on, they’re a team looking at selling, of course. They've already traded Trent Frederic to Edmonton, I think Brandon Carlo's name is increasingly out there as a possibility for them to move, few other UFAs. So, I look to them for an active team.

 

[LouJersey]

Depreciating in the sense that, as @LouJersey points out, if you’re looking at a 3 year playoff absence (for example) then his depreciation is a function of the overall team vs him as an individual contributor

Yeah I agree. Would have to be a great deal of course and let’s not pretend better players haven’t been dealt before. It all comes down to the Bruins can miss the playoffs without him as well so depending on the teams direction it has to be considered if someone bowls you over.

 

[RustyBruins72]

I am all for selling a bit. I know I put Pasta on my trade deadline contest list, but I agree that Pasta being traded puts the bruins on a total rebuild for at least 3 years. I think you trade Carlo, trade Coyle and maybe Brazzeau and see where you're at after the draft with FA's.
Lindholm was a HUGE factor this year with being injured, I think with him in the line up they're better.

 

[Bruin4]

I really think that every team can get any player they want, if they are willing to go far enough.

I mean -- I'm under no illusion that the B's are a front runner in this, but Rantanen is in the top 5% of forwards in the league, still shy of 30 and the kind of guy you can build around.

What I truly know nothing about is how interested he would be in signing here long term, which is really the crux of the situation. If they were given the chance to check in with him to see if he'd sign here and was willing --- then I'd be willing to send a package around Zacha and Carlo, which would at least allow them to ice a legitimate lineup in the wide open east.

Beyond that we have no idea what others would give up, but you have to assume that there would only be about 7-9 teams that;

A. He'd want to play for long term
B. Are willing to give up enough to get him
C. Have the cap space to pay him

Remember Carolina, is in bad position and almost has to allow teams to speak with him to gauge interest, or they are at risk of greatly minimizing the return he could get.

Pagnotta saying Rantanen is open to a sign and trade with “the right team”