Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XVII

[Absurdity]

If he’s moved, who will take his place in the lineup? Not arguing against it but understand it’s hard to find aRD his size with perhaps a little more snarl.

I believe Peeke has been getting more minutes than Carlo with Sacco at the helm, and Peeke has been Zadorov's best partner so far. That doesn't mean Zadorov - Peeke is a great 2nd-pairing long-term. Bruins would likely have to look at adding a RD in the offseason by trade or free agency.

 

[JCRO]

Would love a Carlo / Andersson swap. Andersson and Zadorov had good chemistry in Calgary.

Edit: Unlikely with Calgary in the hunt.

I love this line of thinking though.

Where he still has term and isnt one of your pending RFA/UFAs you are trying to ship out, Id love to move Carlo + to improve at that position rather than just to gain assets. I had thought about this as well when it was announced Seth Jones was made available.

 

[bp14]

I am hoping we hear nothing from Boston this week until late Friday.
I want bidding wars from teams on our players. Best way to get maximum value.

We have two games to lose this week to boost our draft ranking. I’d try to trade guys today.

 

[22Brad Park]

Agree as a technical matter. However the Captain has a long term positive relationship with the org. And the fans. No doubt he would be consulted if a move were contemplated.

Consult him is fine but being realistic they will not compete for a Cup again while he is here.Either he takes cheap deal or I support moving him.No way it makes sence to chew 5 or 6 million in cap on a player who will be 37 & 38 on say a 2 year deal .Again just my opinion.He is one of my fav players all-time so I do not take this approach lightly.Its about the Bruins longterm and quickest way to be relevant again.

 

[Bruin4]

I love this line of thinking though.

Where he still has term and isnt one of your pending RFA/UFAs you are trying to ship out, Id love to move Carlo + to improve at that position rather than just to gain assets. I had thought about this as well when it was announced Seth Jones was made available.

If Calgary trading for Carlo it’s not going to be for their top defensemen who’s also is a better defenseman.

Calgary in the playoff hunt, they’ll be looking to give up picks/prospects

 

[bp14]

Fwiw, @DominicT is convinced the Bruins would be much better off to hold onto Coyle and Carlo, and deal them in the off-season. He believes there will be a lot more suitors in the summer (when everyone has cap space) than at the deadline.

Except aside from signing terrible UFAs, Sweeney pretty much disappears in the summer.

 

[DiggityDog]

Geekie is riding a completely unsustainable S% while playing with a top 5 offensive player on the planet to a 25+ goal season, and he's a pending RFA. This is almost certainly the highest his value will ever be in his career and the bruins are bad enough where you can justify selling him off, it's a perfect storm.

Can't wait for the 4x4mil extension announcement

I think the organizational depth at LW would need to be considered. You would also have to know what you are doing with Marchand. Frederic is almost assuredly gone.

I’m not saying they shouldn’t trade Geekie under any circumstances, but unless they get blown away by a deal they shouldn’t just do it for the sake of it.

While I wouldn’t necessarily want a 4 year term, the $4 million per isn’t going to be out of the ordinary as the cap rises for a middle six winger.

 

[dugg133]

Here are my full thoughts for the deadline:

Frederic and Brazeau should be gone, easiest decisions they have to make. Returns won't be great but who cares, just don't lose them for nothing.

If there's a taker for Coyle I'd move him as well, I'd also offer full retention to improve offers. Just don't really see where he's playing on next seasons team with 3C belonging to Poitras, cause I think it's pretty clear he's not a real solution at 2RW. Freeing up an extra 2.6-5.2mil could also be important cause the cap goes quickly once we start re-signing guys.

If a team is willing to offer a haul for Carlo (first + a prospect or a high upside young roster player) then I pull the trigger, but I'm happy keeping him cause of how thin the RD depth is behind him.

If someone wants to overpay for Geekie and offers like a first or something then he should get moved. He's riding an unsustainable S% while playing with a top 5 offensive player in the sport, and he's still a pending RFA. This is quite literally the highest his value will ever be for the rest of his career and we are bad enough where you can justify capitalizing on that. I expect them to extend him though.

Marchand I don't think you can move with him openly saying he doesn't want to get traded, he's earned the right to decide his fate even if he doesn't officially have trade protection.

My actual expectations are that they only trade Fred and Braz fwiw and enter the offseason with a "everything that could've went wrong did last season, let's make a few tweaks and run it back" mentality.

 

[22Brad Park]

I think I read the flames have some rd that could come back that may offer a different skill set

They are talking moving Rasmus Anderson.I heard it a few times here .

 

[Beyonder]

Geekie is riding a completely unsustainable S% while playing with a top 5 offensive player on the planet to a 25+ goal season, and he's a pending RFA. This is almost certainly the highest his value will ever be in his career and the bruins are bad enough where you can justify selling him off, it's a perfect storm.

Can't wait for the 4x4mil extension announcement

But sometimes you find a player in a situation where it just works irrespective of how that player was previously perceived or based on draft position/advanced stats/etc projections, etc. Mike Knuble Syndrome, maybe.

All I know is

1) The Bruins need somebody to play with Pastrnak who does well. Geekie is doing just that. Regardless of how improbable it seems, it's working and I don't think it's fair to say you can just throw anybody into that spot and expect equal results. Need a winger for Pastrnak, got a winger for Pastrnak.

2) As soon as you move Geekie, you are looking for somebody to play with Pastrnak. The Bruins don't have the depth where it's not the case that every positive asset they trade doesn't open up a new hole. Again, need a winger, got a winger.

3) Geekie will get a bump on his next contract. But so too would anybody who is delivering similar or better results, whether now or whenever the current contract is up. And with the cap allegedly going up steadily the next 3 years, that number will only go up every year. Sad as it may be, every summer finds lots of average players getting surprisingly big deals. Doesn't seem like a safe bet to dance on the bargain knife edge at every turn.

If some kind of compelling offer came along for Geekie, fair enough. But to move him just for the sake of making a trade this week, maybe getting a 2nd round pick or a mid prospect in return, I'd be careful of that result and so far that seems like the probable outcome.

To me Geekie doesn't represent a problem that needs to be solved nor a likely trade vehicle for getting the major talent upgrades the team needs. If he's here next season, doing roughly what he has done this season and last, even with a pay increase, that's fine. There are bigger problems that need solving and I wouldn't even call him any kind of problem.

 

[smithformeragent]

This is what I like to hear.

 

[LouJersey]

This is what I like to hear.

Notice who is doing the reaching out.

 

[JCRO]

If Calgary trading for Carlo it’s not going to be for their top defensemen who’s also is a better defenseman.

Calgary in the playoff hunt, they’ll be looking to give up picks/prospects

Yeah- PM said that in the post I had replied to and I agree.

But Im just saying, I like the idea of, rather than making the roster weaker at an already weak position, move Carlo (+) for an upgrade at the same position if you can.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Coyle is beyond cooked and Sweeney and Neely are beyond clueless.

Coyle has had a bad year. He also had 60 points last year, so I'm not convinced he is cooked as a player.

I prefer to see this year as a cascade failure scenario (or snowball rolling down the hill). Things got off to a bad start largely because of goaltending, and some slumps, and things just keep escalating and getting worse, and there was no way to stop the disaster that was happening, and it dragged a lot of pretty good players down with it.

 

[nORRis8]

My wish list:
Carlo going to the Oilers, which I think will happen plus I think we can get something decent in return. Not that I don't like Carlo but I think there's some value in him.

Coyle: Seems to be happy collecting a paycheck. A major disappointment.

Frederic: Just go. No really. Go. Take your tough guy act someplace else.

Korpisalo: Love this guy. He stepped up like I knew he did. Has upped his resume. Once again the Oilers need a guy as even their own players look frustrated with Skinner. Korpi has built tradable value.
Then we go with Bussi next year along with the Business Graduate.

Lindholm:
On the fence with this guy

Keepers in my eyes) Pasta.Geekie. Marchy...if he wants to stay. Wotherspoon. Peeke. Lohrei. Kastelic. Zacha. I guess McAvoy by default as no one is touching that contract. Koepke stays as he basically a solid fourth line guy.

 

[Bruin4]

They are talking moving Rasmus Anderson.I heard it a few times here .

No their not. Conroy been very public he wants to sign Anderson to an extension and Anderson has openly said he wants to remain a Flame.

Flames Have No Interest in Trading Key Defenseman

Calgary Flames general manager Craig Conroy is surprised that he’s receiving calls regarding a trade for top defenseman Rasmus Andersson. Never has Conroy discu

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Calgary Flames general manager Craig Conroy is surprised that he’s receiving calls regarding a trade for top defenseman Rasmus Andersson. Never has Conroy discussed Andersson on the trade market and he’s one of the best defensemen on the Flames’ roster as they hunt down a playoff spot.

According to TSN’s Pierre LeBrun on Insider Trading, the Flames don’t plan on trading Andersson any time soon, if ever. He’s a useful piece and they’re not in sell mode.

 

[Hookslide]

please for the love of god move Coyle if there's interest in him. What is his role on next season's team? 3C should belong to Poitras for the foreseeable future, and I think it's abundantly clear Coyle is not a real solution at 2RW. Are you paying over 5mil for a third line wing? I don't even care about the return just get his money off the books.

Did you say that last year about Coyle when the team needed someone to stepup, and be a 2 C, and put up 60 points, but want to anoint this kid Poitra, who has done absolutely nothing all season, and the only guarantee you get from this kid is that he is going to get plastered at least one time each game.

 

[Babajingo]

Consult him is fine but being realistic they will not compete for a Cup again while he is here.Either he takes cheap deal or I support moving him.No way it makes sence to chew 5 or 6 million in cap on a player who will be 37 & 38 on say a 2 year deal .Again just my opinion.He is one of my fav players all-time so I do not take this approach lightly.Its about the Bruins longterm and quickest way to be relevant again.

Agree. I've never held him at the Chara, Bergy, Krecj level. Appreciate him, but not at the level where let him decide what he does. Gotta get something for him.

Look at what Tampa did. They let Mr. Lightning walk.

 

[quietbruinfan]

Coyle has had a bad year. He also had 60 points last year, so I'm not convinced he is cooked as a player.

I prefer to see this year as a cascade failure scenario (or snowball rolling down the hill). Things got off to a bad start largely because of goaltending, and some slumps, and things just keep escalating and getting worse, and there was no way to stop the disaster that was happening, and it dragged a lot of pretty good players down with it.

It was a cascade failure scenario, but regardless, Coyle is cooked.

 

[goldenblack]

The worst possible thing this team can do is do nothing on Friday.

Oh no, there's much worse, lol

 

[sarge88]

I still have no idea how the Coyle I've watched for the past several years is referred to as lazy, floater, etc.

Say what you want about his production, because the numbers don't lie and I'm not going to pretend he's having a good season -- but I don't see laziness.

I see an aging player, who doesn't have high end puck skills to start with, who -- like many at his level has some good stretches and tough stretches.

Again, if a team can properly/legitimately slot him as their 3C and a part of their PK -- that team is a legit contender.

He's not a 2C on a cup contender --- but neither are about 75% of the rest of the centers in the league.

 

[Bruin4]

It was a cascade failure scenario, but regardless, Coyle is cooked.

him and Lindholm have become a great 1-2 punch for the Bruins

 

[Hookslide]

Coyle has had a bad year. He also had 60 points last year, so I'm not convinced he is cooked as a player.

I prefer to see this year as a cascade failure scenario (or snowball rolling down the hill). Things got off to a bad start largely because of goaltending, and some slumps, and things just keep escalating and getting worse, and there was no way to stop the disaster that was happening, and it dragged a lot of pretty good players down with it.

Coyle has not had his best year, but with one more year on his contract, he certainly is not the biggest priority on this roster to rid of. How soon so many forget what he gave this team last year.

 

[Bruin4]

Yeah- PM said that in the post I had replied to and I agree.

But Im just saying, I like the idea of, rather than making the roster weaker at an already weak position, move Carlo (+) for an upgrade at the same position if you can.

I wouldn't mind this guy coming back

 

[22Brad Park]

But sometimes you find a player in a situation where it just works irrespective of how that player was previously perceived or based on draft position/advanced stats/etc projections, etc. Mike Knuble Syndrome, maybe.

All I know is

1) The Bruins need somebody to play with Pastrnak who does well. Geekie is doing just that. Regardless of how improbable it seems, it's working and I don't think it's fair to say you can just throw anybody into that spot and expect equal results. Need a winger for Pastrnak, got a winger for Pastrnak.

2) As soon as you move Geekie, you are looking for somebody to play with Pastrnak. The Bruins don't have the depth where it's not the case that every positive asset they trade doesn't open up a new hole. Again, need a winger, got a winger.

3) Geekie will get a bump on his next contract. But so too would anybody who is delivering similar or better results, whether now or whenever the current contract is up. And with the cap allegedly going up steadily the next 3 years, that number will only go up every year. Sad as it may be, every summer finds lots of average players getting surprisingly big deals. Doesn't seem like a safe bet to dance on the bargain knife edge at every turn.

If some kind of compelling offer came along for Geekie, fair enough. But to move him just for the sake of making a trade this week, maybe getting a 2nd round pick or a mid prospect in return, I'd be careful of that result and so far that seems like the probable outcome.

To me Geekie doesn't represent a problem that needs to be solved nor a likely trade vehicle for getting the major talent upgrades the team needs. If he's here next season, doing roughly what he has done this season and last, even with a pay increase, that's fine. There are bigger problems that need solving and I wouldn't even call him any kind of problem.

Geekie pissed me off yesterday being lazy but you are right.The issue is they need a top # 1 Centremen.Zacha is not it .Not saying Zacha is not a decent player etc but I want a better C between Pasta and Geekie that can pile up pts.Pasta has 75 pts Zacha 37..That's a huge, huge difference.